Dylan,<P> I am sorry if I offended you. You are correct in staing that the person could have been any number of things. I didn't mean to say anything against witches in relating my story. I was just trying to say that satan is using every means possible, including prompting his followers(this woman and people like her,) to pray and fast to further his agenda on earth. If in my replies to some of the people to this post I offended you as well I apologize. It was not my intent to offend anybody. I am sorry.<P>------------------<BR>Love and Prayers<BR>Nicole<P><BR>

there was no offense......none....i just felt a need to clarify...in case everyone here was wondering...<P>i admire everyone for their beliefs here, I am envious that the faith you all have can support you and myself through this...your prayers have often helped me....<P>no offense was taken, nicole...honest.<P>blessings and prayers to you.<P>Dylan

Thanks Dylan <P>------------------<BR>Love and Prayers<BR>Nicole<P><BR>

your welcome nicole...<BR>

Yes it is a BATTLE. It all makes sense to me now. Of course the evil one would chose Christmastime to attack - its a time of celebration of our Lord and Savior. We, however, have the advantage. We have Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit on our side, and we will defeat the enemy. And you are right we are up against a very bad force. Keep praying!

Listen to the song by Carmen, "Witches Invitation". Devastated2 is so right -- Satan is a LIAR and sets out to confuse and manipulate in order to bring you down. God is THE TRUTH.

Hi guys,<P>what interesting topics we cover here !!<P>I have a question for all of you.<P>If I believe in God, and his goodness, and his abilities, but my H seemingly doesn't, or doesn't profess to, how can He help me.<P>If I'm trying to pray so hard, and looking for some sort of sign that my H is coming out of this place where he is,<P>but if my<P>H isn't listening, or talking to God, how will he hear.?<P>How can God help me, when my H doesn't want help.<P>Does this make sense.?<P>WilliamJ posted a beautiful reply, that Robin was starting to hear and listen to God (I think that was the gist of it), and was starting to thaw, how will my H ever thaw ??<P>Or is it because my faith is lacking at the moment, and I'm not giving enough to God.<BR>How can He help me, if I won't help myself, or trust Him enough to put everything in His hands.??<P>These are questions I have pondered ever since I came to MB - when I realised that most of you had the most amazing faith in God. I haven't given my problems to Him yet, I don't know how to do that. I don't know what to do.<P>Sorry to jump in here, I don't even know who's thread this is at the moment. I'm sorry.<P>Jo

Jo,<P> There is another forum that you can check out. You can find it by hitting marriage builders forums at the top of the page. This will bring you to the list of forums, scroll about 3/4 way down and you will see "Study Groups", "Women's bible study". In that forum we are currently reading and discussing "The Power of a Praying Wife". This book looks at the questions you've been asking yourself. It even addresses praying for an unbelieving husband.<P>Check it out.<P>------------------<BR>Love and Prayers<BR>Nicole<P><BR>

Thanks heaps Nicole,<P>I will check that out. I need all the help I can get at the moment, I think I am just about ready to crack.<P>MIL blaming me last night was the last straw!!!<P><BR>Maybe I'll even find something in my heart to be able to pray for her.<P>Jo

PL; <P>With the subject matter you originally introduced and my reply it seems something has been started here. <P>And I just want to say that I hope no one is offended and mad about what I said. I didn't mean to stir the pot. Just giving an opinion based on research and real life experiences.<P>Didn't mean to get into a debate over religions and belief systems.

Jo,<P>The paradox of Christianity is God gave us a free will. He wants us to choose to worship Him and live in His will.<P>We can pray until the cows come home, if our spouce Chooses to live outside of God's will, He will let them.<P>I pray for God to weigh on Rs concience, to show signs continualy of His will. I have seen alot of these signs already. She will eventualy snap out of it.<P>I also pray that God will put many roadblocks in her relationship w/OB, and for him to show his defects to R.<P>T have no doubt Gods will shall be done, it's His time and not mine. Thats the hard part.<P>Keep praying for strenghth and courage to walk through these terrible times, and for haveing this time to grow.<P>Bill<P>------------------<BR>BB<BR>

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>A witch is a witch. There are no good" witches. True some don't call directly upon the power of darkness & seem to do only "good" spells, but it's all a trick by Satan to make it not seem evil. It is.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>So what are all those "good" Christians who were Crusaders, who were Inquisitors, who burned and killed countless "heretics" in the name of God? Were these "Christians" truly that, or were they performing an evil service in the name of God?<P>I know several Wiccans, including my fiance. They are some of the nicest people I know, and are much more in tune with themselves, others, and natural forces than most anybody I've ever met. Wiccans are much more in tune with "Do unto others as you would have done unto you," than a lot of people in this world. <P>Satan worshipers are <B>NOT</B> Wiccans and any connection you choose to draw between the two is completely non-existent. Wiccans respect and draw upon natural forces for their inspiration and strength - that's all. A true Wiccan would never cast a harmful spell or think negative thoughts - any harm a Wiccan does will come back to harm them threefold! Suffering much more than the person they wish to harm is a powerful incentive not to even try to inflict harm! Instead of focusing upon negative energy, Wiccans commonly focus positive energy toward their enemies in the hopes that the hatred others hold for them will be replaced with good feelings, or at least neutrality. <P>How many of "good" Christians have betrayed or committed evil acts? It is ludicrous to blame these actions on an evil force. God gave us all free will to dictate the course of our lives and decide for ourselves the route our souls would take - to Heaven, or to Hell. <P>In any case, "Satan" is a Christian invention, and doesn't exist in older religious documentation. Hell is the state of being completely cut off from God, not a pit of fire where demons torment you endlessly. Satan is an invention of early Christians to make them feel better about sin - "it wasn't my fault, the devil made me do it" - and repentance...<P>The woman on the plane who claimed to be a witch may have likely told the truth - there is a distinction between Wiccans and Satan worshipers, who commonly call themselves witches. Either that or she was a deluded individual who has no real concept of the real principles of Wicca.<P>Christians are not the only good people in the world, you know... please stop making rash generalisations and placing the blame for what evil people have CHOSEN for themselves to inflict upon you in this life...<P>------------------<BR>~~ Elixir ~~<P>