you must be one amazing woman to be going thru whatever you are going thru and still staying here helping out all of us at the same time.

Well, duhhhhhh..... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> It's the only reason cerrish puts up with such a high maintenance chick. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Seriously though.... there will be no weeping and wailing over my little problems. I would be horribly hurt if you stopped begging for help because you thought I was needing to wallow in my life. It really helps to be able to continue to work. The time away is killing me though.

I thank God (my God that is...I'm a little confused about the rest of you <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> )

ROTFL........

for this site, these concepts, and all the support found here, mainly coming from you...and what's his name.

You mean Mr. Senstive & Subtle?

Take a fist full of anti-d's, drink a bottle of Canadian whisky, then when the bottle is dry I'll take a fist full of sleeping pills.

Don't even go there. I draw the line at driving across the city to stop a near suicide.

Now, whether or not I do this in public is another question. If I stay at home and trouble arises, the cops wont think much off it. I think this sort of thing happens quite often here (Cambridge is sort of a hill-billy town). But if I go to MOA, I'd probably end up in detox in Bloomington, and in front of a Hennipen County judge the next day. Much more long lasting legal affects.

Oh, and I don't do bail bonds either. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />


C

Cerri:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> ROTFL........
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">What does this mean?


</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You mean Mr. Senstive & Subtle?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yeah, that guy.


</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Don't even go there. I draw the line at driving across the city to stop a near suicide.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The city? I thought you lived in Wisconsin??? I live about 35 miles directly west of St. Croix Falls in Minnesota. And by the way, it isn't a suicide attempt, just an attempt to get thru the day. On some days I really think that is what it would take.


</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Oh, and I don't do bail bonds either.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Shoot!!! Ok, note to self...

ROTFL........
What does this mean?

Rolling on the floor laughing. (Took me about 6 mos to figure it out, but then I'm a ditz)


The city? I thought you lived in Wisconsin???

<sigh> You do know that your capital city sits virtually on the border of WI? I live just on the other side of the river. We are really a suburb of the TC.... 40 minutes to MoA in good traffic.


And by the way, it isn't a suicide attempt, just an attempt to get thru the day. On some days I really think that is what it would take.

Yeah, I know. Been somewhere very like that.

Ahhh, I see. You are alot closer to MOA than I am. Ok, forget the sleeping pills. I'll just keep my normal dosage of anti-d's and add the bottle of hooch. Then I'll just puke myself into a colma. That way I'll have a much better chance of actually waking up the next day (whether it is in jail or not).

Anyway, we'll just see how it goes. Maybe she'll have an attack of common sense and conscious before that day and she'll come home and we'll be headed full bore into recovery. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Who knows...it could happen... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> !!!

ok first of all what is moa? and secondly what exactly IS wrong with Wisconsin? LOL .. actually I live north and west of you guys.. about two an half hours .. but could use a road trip <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Lost&Confussed:
<strong> ok first of all what is moa? and secondly what exactly IS wrong with Wisconsin? LOL .. actually I live north and west of you guys.. about two an half hours .. but could use a road trip <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Tsk, tsk, you really do live in the boonies doncha?? MoA = Mall of America. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

Hmmmmm how much time do you have? Shall we start with the beer (ick) the cheese curds (double ick) the thing with hanging dead animals on every available wall space or the fact that there are children in the bars walking around with sippie cups that say "Budweiser" on them?

And then of course there is the Packer mania and the official state religion - football. The first year we were here my son went to a Catholic preschool. He came home the first week and said, "Mom! We said a prayer today." "That's cool, what did you say?" "One. Two. Three. Hut!!!" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> In our little town of less than 4000 people there are over 20 football teams for kids after school sports. 20.

Or maybe it's the car at the end of every driveway or the complete and total lack of laws on just about everything. When we moved here from MN we had to have our septic and well (in MN) checked, certified and updated. When we got here we didn't even know where the well was for weeks and it was only by dumb luck that we found the septic tank. Of course, the drainfield has issues....cuz there are no laws out here. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

When we were looking for a place, we looked in 5 different states. Spent a year and a half driving around the midwest. And wouldn't you know, the only place I said I would only live in when you-know-where froze over was WI. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

So now that it's been four years, we love it here. We take the kids to the bar for burgers and to watch the game. We have a bonfire without a permit most weekends. We even have the old car in the yard. I draw the line at dead animal parts though, not gonna happen.

C <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

And oh!!!! I almost forgot... the technology, or lack thereof. I can't get dsl out here, they can on the other side of the town, but I am about 2 miles too far out. And every once in a while my phone line goes down.... mice in the junction box down on the highway. LOL LOL LOL

Still, this is the most beautiful piece of property I've ever seen, so it makes all the rest more than worthwhile.

C

ROTFLMAO!!! (Don't make me explain that one)

You don't like WI cause of no DSL...lack of technology?!?! You should try living in NEBRASKA! To get on the internet...I have to tie up a coffee can to a big string...run it to town and hook it up to a bigger computer with another coffee can and a bigger string. I'm doing the happy dance if I get online at 28.8!! Okay...I do have DSL at work...but most of us are rural...so dial up is all that's available.

I was actually born in WI! They kicked me out when I openly declared that the only cheese I like is Velveeta <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> I have been informed on many occasions that it doesn't count as a cheese. Sheesh. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

Oh, and WMWB...do NOT acknowledge the anniversary. It will solidify your Plan B if you leave it alone. I remember our anniversary while we were seperated. It meant a great deal to me...and the fact that we didn't acknowledge it made me think a lot. You want that...you want her thinking about YOU and your anniversary and what it means to no longer celebrate it. It's important.

You don't like WI cause of no DSL...lack of technology?!?!


Actually, aside from a few things, I love it here. We're having quite the issue with our schools right now and the taxes are very very high, but the people are wonderful and as I said it's gorgeous.

You should try living in NEBRASKA!

Mmmmmm.... no thank you. I was born in Iowa and just barely escaped the ambition of being the Pork Princess when I grew up.... only because my mom got us out of there soon enough. Whew!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

Of course, I do have to say that naming the UW at Menomonie "Stout" is beyond me. I nearly choke to death trying to stifle my sarcasm every time I see someone with a big old pair of sweats on that says "STOUT" across the rear. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />


Okay...I do have DSL at work...but most of us are rural...so dial up is all that's available.

I have satellite out here. I was connecting at something like 30k when I had dial up, even with a 55k modem. It just doesn't work when you have an internet based business.

I was actually born in WI! They kicked me out when I openly declared that the only cheese I like is Velveeta <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

I'm sure the only reason they let me stay is because cerrish is a beer drinker, otherwise I'm certain they would escort me and our Vikings fan children to the border and ask us politely not to come back.

One cool thing happened when we moved here. I had quite the driving record in MN. My insurance rates were through the roof. When we applied here I had divorced, changed my name and state of residence. Supposedly the records transfer between MN and WI.... but I got a completely clean record. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> And I have been very very good for the past four years. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

C

LMAO@BOU - You 2 are funny .. almost <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

OK I may live in the boonies but at least I have DSL <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />
Some bars have the best burgers around .. cheese curds are so so .. if you like that sort of thing. Packers .. well you can say what you like about them .. I'm not a football fan. ( except for what ever team is playing the vikings.. ) J/k poking fun at WMWB..

cerri could you please look at my last post if you find the time that is..

I absolutely adore WI, truth be told. I lived in CO for many years and this year we took a vacation back there. I miss that too! Both states are absolutely gorgeous. I think it's all the trees.

BUT!! In defense of NE...the west is all flat and uuuuuugly...but the east has rolling hills and trees, and it can be very beautiful. We live on top of a hill that overlooks a large area. Nestled between two hills we can see the old church. It's not in use anymore. It's a very neat view, though. So DSL or not, I'm not complaining.

Satellite is also an option for us. But we were TOLD that wireless was coming. Well, it missed us by 5 miles in any direction. Jerks. But since I have it at my office in town for only $10!!!!(the whole building shares a connection) there's really no reason to drop another $1400 a year here at home for email and posting! But ONE OF THESE DAYS!!!

We go to WI every year, and often several times a year. Most of my family lives there. Greenbay, Fennimore and Monroe. Sometime if you guys have a get together I might just show up!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Well, there's a few paragraphs of info noone probly cared to know...give me a break, it's early!!! I have to lube the brain gears somehow. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

<small>[ October 29, 2003, 08:25 AM: Message edited by: hope4future ]</small>

If you ever come this way be sure to let me know!!

Ahhhh.... feels almost like the good old days when I hijacked P's thread for an entire year. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

C

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cerri:
<strong> And oh!!!! I almost forgot... the technology, or lack thereof. I can't get dsl out here, they can on the other side of the town, but I am about 2 miles too far out. </strong>

omigod, a web junkie like you on dial-up? What torture.

Personally, I can't believe how people get through life in those square states out in the middle.

We have a bonfire without a permit most weekends.

You forgot to mention the white hoods.

<small>[ October 29, 2003, 08:55 AM: Message edited by: Mike C2 ]</small>

omigod, a web junkie like you on dial-up? What torture.

It was!!! You have no idea. Not just here, this is fun for the most part, but trying to manage my site and keep up with clients via email was a nightmare. I have satellite now. Although hubby just emailed me that the solar storm is supposed to be causing problems.

Personally, I can't believe how people get through life in those square states out in the middle.

Well, ya know.... we spend our time chatting with the pony express guys when they come through and then there's the spinning and weaving cooking over an open fire.......


You forgot to mention the white hoods.
No, no, you're thinking too far south... We are very accepting and respectful of anyone else's beliefs.... (expect of course when it comes to what PlA and PlB are all about <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> ) At my house you never know what you might see though... I expect I have the only permanent Maypole in the county... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Well, I'm still on dial-up. But it is because I'm too cheap to do it any other way <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> . I do have DSL at the office though.

You guys could always come back here to the land of liberals and taxes. Oh, and militant political correctness... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> !!! I like it here, but the political climate is stiffling, especially for a raging conservative like myself.

Cerri, your little corner of WI doesn't sound all that different from my corner of MN. We don't have 20 football teams, but I'm sure we have AT LEAST that many options of hockey teams! Which is fine with me, I'm much more of a hockey fan than football anyway. It is a little pricey for the young'ns to play though. I'll have to have a written commitment, in blood, from them before writing out that check.

So, you guys must be enjoying the same wonderful fall weather as we are then huh? Cold, windy, raining...what more could yo ask for? Yikes, I'm expecting to wake up to 3 ft. of snow here anyday now.

On the WW front, I've been all business with her for 48 hrs. and counting. Dropped the kids off this morning (No, Cerri, I havn't found an intermediary yet) and quickly and politly told her that Fri. was the last day I was insuring her car (she's known for a couple of weeks, I was just reminding her) and was wondering if she wanted the kids on Wed. night for a couple of weeks. She said yeah and wanted to know why. I just said great, and left it at that. She called my cell phone about 5 min. later and told me Wed. wouldn't work due to her work schedule. i just said ok and that I'd figure something else out. Then I let her go. No small talk, I could see she wanted to know what was going on Wed. evenings, but I didn't talk about it. It is really tough. She looks so cute answering the door in her jammies, I just want to squezze her and give her a big kiss. I miss her a lot. She seemed to be without the fog this morning, it is hard for me not to grab her and shake her, telling her to stop doing this to herself when I can see she is not in the fog like this. I just want her to come home.

WMWB, you ARE grabbing her and shaking her. The absence of you from her life will do just that...just a bit more subtly.

It sure doesn't seem like it. Looks to me as if this is exactly what she wants. The holidays are gonna be tough.

Dammit, why does she have to do this? Why can't she just get her head on straight and come home so we can fix this? UGGGHHHH!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" />

Come on woman. Lets go here, I just want to repair our marriage and be the best husband I can to her. This is bullsh*t! How long do i have to wait? Just come home already.


...sorry all, lost my cool for a second. I'm not what you would call a very patient person under normal conditions.

WMWB - Trust me I know exactly how you feel. I'm not looking forward to the holidays either. My WW is thinking on taking them down to her sisters .. I'd like to see how she explains that to the family that she has been keeping in the dark .. where is your husband? Oh I had an A and now am D him. Yea right that would be what she would say...

Sorry a little sarcasm.. just feeling down today. <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />

How is the Big town of Cambridge? I never did receive that email ... here is my addy again Lost_Confussed@hotmail.com

Hope the day goes well!

<small>[ October 29, 2003, 01:46 PM: Message edited by: Lost&Confussed ]</small>

L&C

You mean you haven't told her family yet? Dude, you need to do that. Exposing is a HUGE part of plan A. It really made me feel alot better too. Like I wasn't holding it in anymore, I had people to talk to about it. I had no idea how many people I knew that have gone thru this. I thin before you do ANYTHING else, you sit down with her folks and sister and fill them in. Do it in a loving, truthful manner, no smugness or bitterness. Express that you love her, you can forgive her, and you only want to recover the M. They will probably ask why you are telling them, just say you want the support of people who care about her and your family to encourage her to do the right thing. Don't expect her family to help you at all. My in-laws were with me right up to the point where things got tough for the W, then i was the bad guy. It didn't seem to matter that she was having the A.

Have you confronted the OM? His W...or is he divorced? Sorry, I don't recall off the top of my head. Man, come on here, get the show on the road. Be prepared for all hell to break loose with your WW though. As far as she is concerned, you will have blown it for good. You hate her, you are trying to ruin her life, you are just trying to get revenge, you are evil, she hated you, you are the most emotionally damaging person she has ever known, marrying you was a huge mistake...blah, blah, blah...so on and so on. I could go on, my W exploded. And stayed angry for about a week and a half.

Kinda sucks, but you gotta do it. I'll send you another e-mail, I'm not sure why the first one didn't go thru, hmmmm. Anyway, Cambridge is fine. I get this funny feeling everytime I roll into town lately. It just doesn't feel like home anymore. I started looking on realtor.com the other day, trying to find something closer to where i want to live. Holy cow, houses are expensive closer to the cities. This may be tougher than I thought. I was going to wait a year to move, but I think it may be sooner. The kids have expressed that they really want to move...soon. My 4 y.o. told me out of the blue that he didn't like living here anymore. He was uncomfortable living in "the cambridge" (I don't know why, buthe has always called it The Cambridge... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> ) Anyway, it has become really uncomfortable for me too. I don't think I could make it through another summer with all his partying and bon-fires...WW hanging out there all the time...and me not commiting a MAJOR felony or two...or three. Anyway, it is all I can do to leave my house and drive past OM's and not burn it to the ground. Jail doesn't seem so bad some days... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

I'll send you that message now, let me know if it works. Later.