All of that wisdom, and Latin, too. I must say, I'm impressed!<P>I have been meeting with our Priest, and going to Mass on Saturday. A lot of praying, and soul searching, too. I've never had a problem with my relationship with God, its the fellowship I find difficault. Catholics aren't too into discussing theology, or Church doctrine much as a general rule. (In my limited exposure, anyway.) I feel God listens, and He is answering my cry to Him for healing.<P>Right now, I am trying to keep the house in order, and spend time with my sons. (While of course trying to tread water financially, show Teri my new changes, etc.)<P>It is very tiring, but like I said, God sustains me, and I just keep doing things to make it better. I suppose you've noticed that it is kind of stream of consciousness, which is not good, but I have a (long) mental todo list, and most things jump out at me anyway. (Its that bad!) The house looks much better that ever with the exception of my 'hole', it always gets shoved aside, and getting it together would be an excellent plan A item.<P>Thank you for taking the time to post, I've needed guidance since day one, and it helps to comiserate, plan, and share. I am praying for you, too. Take care, and don't be a stranger. Tomorrow is the second attempt at divorce. Stay tuned.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Catholics aren't too into discussing theology, or Church doctrine much as a general rule.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You've just been hanging out with the wrong Catholics!! <P>------------------<BR><I>Pain is a given, misery is optional.</I>

Howdi... well, do let us know what happens. By the way, have you identified the love busting behavior that annoys your wife? Also, I'm thinking of starting a new thread on keeping each other accountable... like what you and I did... lay out our goals and touch base now and then how we're doing. You know... like a 30-day, 60-day and 90-day list of things we hope to accomplish in all realms of our life - physically, emotionally, spiritually, professionally, personally, etc. What do you think?<P>Anyway, talk to you tomorrow... <P>------------------<BR>We cannot do everything at once... but we can do something at once

First of all, I KNEW BETTER THAN TO PUT THAT CATHOLIC SLAM IN THERE...I shouldn't be surprised that you responded, either. LOL. Thanks.<P>Look, I've been married a long time, and she is 'completely done', 'moved beyond', 'doesn't love me', 'never loved me', plus the revisionist marital history, and everything else, you want me to pick A LOVE BUSTER? Taking breath is probably pretty high on the list, but you see its complicated. When I was 20, it was without a doubt, angry outbursts and disrespectful judgements. When I was 30 it was selfish demands, and now its annoying behavior. She is pretty much running the table right now with her criticisms, and the fact that I have demonstrated no self-esteem for a while now. She just sees me as the wrong horse at the half, and is trying to hedge her bet. Understand that it is not now, nor has it ever been as bad as it is being painted now, and she has heaped it all back in spades.<P>I think the thread idea is excellent. Go ahead and start it, I still need to get a physical manifestation of a plan A. At least I know the right answer to the LB question.<P>Take care, both of you, and thanks for giving me a high note, time to end the day positively. G'night.<p>[This message has been edited by waiting_for_her (edited May 21, 2001).]

No divorce today. Got asked if I wanted to see the retyped papers. I declined. She went to #3 son's Spring Concert, didn't even ask me if I wanted to go, and is now 'getting a recipe' from a friend. You know this 50/50 custody thing is interesting. I guess they are hers when they are in school, or something like that. Its also interesting how she has not done either of the things she said she would. (That is my annoying behavior LB) She has not moved out, and she is keeping my last name. Those seem to be chosen for maximum effect. I'm just in between extensions of credit at her Love Bank, and she is trying to blow the place up. She has been saying that she wants a divorce for almost two months, and yet, now it is a day by day thing. The only upside is that the papers are only good for 30 days, but I feel confident that she will do it soon. Damn.

She did it.

Okay, are we going to talk on this post or the other one... I'm just baffled here. What happened and how is it that it can happen this fast?

The other one!