> If you want to email me I am at
> whitney@iland.net. Take Care.<p>Noticed we're all gung ho to make contacts
with people all over the world. Internet
lets you do that. <p>Lady says she's from Europe. Average wage
in some European countries, like Ukraine for
example, is $20 USD/month. Average wage in
US is $3,000 USD/month.<p>How do you know that a "people skills expert" in an internet shop, possibly connected with the
mafia, doesn't look for gullible people in the States on the internet who can buy a sob story
or be seduced into an invitation or marriage?

> 7 hours ahead it's about noon in USA<p>New York + 7 hours, where exactly is that?

BAD,<p>How are you today? I hope a good night's sleep was your gift from heaven, and things are a bit less burdensome today. Yes, you have many friends here, and I count myself as very lucky to be singled out at times. Hugs to you, sweetie.<p>To back2gether:<p>LOL,<p>Try being 16-17 hours ahead of this forum!!!!!!<p>I am in Australia, and I have to pick my times carefully if I want to get replies fast! Ok, to give you an idea, I posted this at 11.55pm Sunday night here, it is, in New York 7.55am Sunday MORNING.<p>I love the net! [img]images/icons/grin.gif" border="0[/img] <p>[ January 20, 2002: Message edited by: Nina too ]<p>[ January 20, 2002: Message edited by: Nina too ]</p>

back2gether
I appologize if I misundderstood you but I am very touched by your accusation of cheating here. Cheating my greatest friends I have now.
Unfortunately I AM far away in Europe 7 hours ahead of you with a wage of 750$/month, what is rather high in my country.
I realy don't like your thoughts about me: I do not need or want an imigration permit or what's ever and what bothers me also is your statement about exW-like a less expense. Didn't you ever love her????
Why did you marry her if you knew that was not love from both sides?<p>Here I have a lot of friends with whom I exchange private e-mails for more than a year and who know me and saw even photos, so don't you dare of blaming me for luying!<p>
Jacky,
thanks
i am aware it would, should be better. Today it realy IS a bit, but I still can't believe that neither of my daughters are not surprised with a wedding, nor sad nor touched.
YD even don't talk with me from yesterday night, when she came around 11pm.
I feel so didtant from them, like they do not need me at all, only dad and OW.
I don't know how to make closer contact with them.
I've heard today that OW was in dark red suit on wedding, she was so large (tall and fat) (surprise! 7 months pregnant!)<p>Thanks but I have been so upset from post of back2gether, like my pain is not enough for some people.
What have I done wrong? Being borne maybe?

BAD,<p>Be careful in assuming what your D's feel about things. They are capable of hiding a great deal from you.....they may be doing this for fear of hurting you, or they do not want to face facts themselves, or they just plain seem non-emotional because that is what gets THEM through their pain. Remember if they are angry at you, it is probably misdirected. They are likely to be more angry with their irresponsible father.<p>My children are younger that yours. I have an 8, 6 and 4 yr old. The 8 yr old did not verbally divulge any feelings about the situation for 4 months, and even then it was only to put his father down. He refuses, even now at the near 7 month mark, to admit he misses his dad, though they used to do everything together. In the meantime, I knew it was killing him, because I was watching his actions, and his uncharacteristic behaviours, like sleepwalking, and acting out all the time, giving lip, and just being so angry. BUT, to HIM, no, there was NOTHING wrong.<p>Also I have been through this situation myself, my dad had a major affair when I was twenty. I HATED him for it, but I was living with my mother, and what I did was probably interpreted as unfeeling to her, but it was my way to survive. <p>I was hurting too, and I did NOT want to hear her going on about it, because it increased my OWN pain. To see her in a distraught state, and KNOW my father was a louse..........it was too much to bear. So I shut down; if I could I would avoid talking to her about it. I think it was a survival thing for me. I had to emotionally remove myself, or I would have collapsed, and I didn't need that in my second year of teacher's college.<p>So, what you SEE isn't always the reality. BAD, please think of how your D's may be feeling about the whole thing.............THEIR lives have collapsed too. They may need you more than ever right now.<p>I truly believe that if they are showing you that distance, it is because they love you, and cannot bear to see your pain, which is what happened to me with my own mother. Indeed, my own kids hid something from me for a long time, because they knew it would hurt me...........if little guys can do that, I am sure the older ones can too.<p>I really hope this makes you feel somewhat better............step out of yourself for a little bit, and see the situation from the eyes of your girls. Maybe that will help you understand a little more. I hope so, because then maybe you can all have a closer relationship.<p>Love and light,<p>Jacky

Oh God,
what else can happen.
Is that not enough?
This morning my mom's gynecologist phoned me and told that my mom had to go to surgery cause of vulvar CA.
She is 77 as suffers from hard tromocytopaenia and every surgery is dangerous .
I have no other relatives except parents, no brothers sisters, uncles, nephews...my parents were only kids of theirs.
So how now?
If some meds would be necessary neither them nor me has money-in our country financial situat is hard.
How to help her.
My mom is devastated with all that maa cause she loved him almost more than me , taking him like son.
Please pray

Once again, my prayers are with you. Their marriage will not survive, no marriage out of an affair survives, it is only lust. Believe me, I know. My H had an affair, and it was lust. Not love, the OW is a big time controller, and manipulator. This OW has already had for sure one sexual affair and possibly a 3rd. Their relationship was out of despair and lust. Just pray for a new life without your H. But one day, your H will realize the big mistake he has taken. Just sorry for the poor child. Remember, this child was made out of lust, and the statistics show that a marriage out of lust does not survive. Pray for peace of mind.