[QUOTE]Originally posted by Diamonzzz:
[QB]Having said that, I believe nothing grieves the Father more than when there is a disunity and
brokenness among His kids.
Okieman - Is that just your belief or is it a fact.

I assume you know your Bible some?
Okieman - Yes, I know it some and never try to twist its meaning.

Well, in the New Testament Jesus
made the statement that He came not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it.
Okieman - Yep, he also said that proof of your love for him is to keep his commands.

Over and over again Jesus would display mercy ..
Okieman - Yes, and the next time he comes he is going to display judgment.

(the woman caught in adultery comes to
mind)
Okieman - and she was told to go and sin no more.

I believe that when you honestly seek the Lord, through prayer and read the word, not
just to prove your already preconceived doctrine (that you were most likely force-feed in
church) you will see that God is more concerned with a living, and thriving every day
relationship and dependency upon Him then he is about us keeping the "rules".
Okieman - Is that what God says or just what you believe?

The truth is we all by human nature THINK
we can be our own Saviors.
Okieman - I don't know anyone who thinks that.

I am challenging you to open your heart, just a little and re-examine this further.
Okieman - my heart is open to what God says about, not to anyone who is misinformed or ignorant of the Word.

One final note - where does it say divorce is a sin?

Diamonzzz,
God Bless you sister. We both have been blessed today. I would enjoy chatting from time to time, but somewhere else. My work is finished here.
singleguy

The scripture says "any disobedience to God is sin" "divorce" would be considered sin if you refused to stay and work on marriage and yet you KNEW God wanted you to.

Ok .. so I assume you are trying to get me to say that the "remarriage" is the
real sin here. In fact that is EXACTLY what Christ says. "Whoever divorces and remarries..."
you know the one.. I am sure .. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Yes. Divorce (without scriptural grounds) is sin. Remarriage when you have not
repented in the first place is sin.

Your point?

Mine is... ALL sin can be forgiven. ALL sin. Not just some.

Yes, Christ will not be coming back next time the same way he came into this world.

Will you agree that ANY unrepentant sin will be judged?

Ok, I assume you answered in the affirmative.

What if you lie to your wife JUST BEFORE the rapture and you didn't have to time to
repent?

Then what?

Do we split hairs on which sins will be forgiven and which will not? Is there greyer
shades of sin?

Or will God weigh out the "kept laws" against the "unkept" ones and somehow we'll be "ok"?

Nope, that was all done on the cross. The way was bought and paid for by the Saviour's
shed blood. Forgiveness is there IF we ask.

I will not let anyone disqualify me when my Lord has given me a pardon for sin.

The woman was told to go and sin no more. You are correct. But we are ALL told
that.

Do you claim that you are without sin?

Blessings,
Diamonzzz

<small>[ August 08, 2003, 04:49 PM: Message edited by: Diamonzzz ]</small>

Diamondzzzz, and Singleguy, I commend you.

It is promised to us that we will be delivered from the "wrath to come" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

All believers may not receive the same amount of rewards though. Am I right about that???

Ladysheep

Ladysheep,
Yup
singleguy

Yes Ladysheep I think you are exactly right.
What I believe is all our "works" for God will be burnt on the
alter of God (everything we did for God) and only those things that really WERE pure will be rewarded.

Many times, like the Pharisees did, we THINK we are doing things for God, but in actuality our motives are impure.

I do not believe in a judgment day as in "wrath" for the believer.
It is not there because Christ took our sins, past, present and future
upon Himself, and at that moment they are gone. "Our righteousness
is as filthy rags" but we are righteous now because we are hid in Christ.

I don't think rewards will be taken away for sins we committed. I believe
that our acts of service to God on this earth will be rewarded but first they
will be judged by the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, to see if they were
truly "works".

It was said of the Pharisees that they kept the "law" perfectly and yet
the were in Jesus' words "brood vipers, snakes" ,they cleaned the outside
of their cups but the inside was full of vile things. That is what humans
can be like sometimes.... we can "look" impeccable on the outside and
keep all the laws seemingly, but in reality our hearts are far from God.

What do you guys believe? Oh my... I realize I am getting into deep waters here .. lol
Blessings,
Diamonzzz

Thanks Singleguy, and Diamondzzz,

prev. posted by Diamondzzz:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I don't think rewards will be taken away by sins committed. I believe that our acts of service toward God will be rewarded and judged by the King of kings, and Lord of lords to see if they were truly "works." </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I agree.

Sent with Love, Ladysheep

Wow, there's alot in here, but I think both Okieman and Diamonzz and singleguy-- I think those are the 3 who have been carrying on a diologue- have all said some truth.

I wanted to mention David again. Serioulsy, he is one of my least fav. Bible persons. That might sound funny because he truly was a "man after God's heart." That one thing he did have-- he loved God. And he was a good leader. But, boy oh boy, we cannot even underestimate the consequences of his sin which was farreadching. Yes, God forgave but that man suffered alot as the result of his sin.

First of all, in the case of David and Bathsheba, it's hard to say that David did the "right thing" marrying Bathsheba 'cause of adultery. He married her because he had her husband killed. Had he not have had Uriah killed, things might have been different. David's sin was not a one act thing either. First he lusted after Bathsheba. Then he slept with her. Then he deceived others. Then he had her husband killed. When Uriah died, David did not feel bad about it (even though Uriah was a godly man). And it was about a whole year before Nathan confronted David leading him to repent. His sin had hardened his heart. He wouldn't have had Uriah killed if he hadn't of slept with Bath. One sin leads to another, leads to another, and we become more and more decieved and hardened and find that we have dug a deep hole that is hard to get out of.

Anyways, Bathsheba was not David's only wife. He had 4 other wifes (Michal, Ahinoam, Maacah, and Haggith). Here were the consequences of David's sin, all of which were prophesied by Nathan who was a prophet:

EVEN THOUGH DAVID REPENTED...

Murder was a constant threat in his family,
His entire household rebelled against him,
Other men slept with his wives,
His first child with Bathsheba died (as a direct result of the adultery).

2 Samual 12:11 "This is what the Lord says, "Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity upon you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight..."

vs. 24 "...because by doing this you have made the enemies of the Lord show utter contempt, the son born to you will die."

As for David's sons,
Ammon, his firstborn, raped a woman (Tamar) and was later murdered by his brother, Absalom, in revenge. Absalom, the 3rd son, killed Amnon and then fled. When he later returned, it was only for the purpose of rebelling against David. He slept with 10 of David's concubines on David's roof! Then, as a result of his pride, he was killed. Tamar, David's only daughter ws raped. Adonijah, the 4th son, was never disciplined and set himself up as a king before David's death. When his plot was exposed, Soloman had him executed. Solomon, David's son with Bathsheba, was the next king and very wise, BUT his many wives caused his downfall.

I do not think we should ever minimize the consequences of sin. YES, God forgives! And He shows mercy.

BUT... if the Bible is true, that to remarry is adultery. Unless the other spouse is dead. Now, I have heard a pastor (Tony Evans) talk about dead can mean spiritually dead, not just physically. Maybe that is possible. In my own life, I haven't decided that for sure, but He gives Biblical basis for it. I think that is the case with an unbeliever... that person is "dead" spiritually speaking. The Bible does say that if the unbeliever leaves, the believing spouse is not "bound". Now, whether that constitutes remarriage or not is a matter of how you interpret the Bible.

Romans 7:2 "... by law, a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an aduulteress."

Some people believe that divorce frees a spouse to remarry. Some don't believe this. The bottom line is what the Bible says about it. I know that I have enough holy fear of the Lord, that I have wept many a night in prayer, and Scripture reading, seeking the truth because I do not want to sin and reap the consequences. I do not at all for one minute take any of this lightly... divorce or remarriage. And I have yet to be convinced by Scripture that I am "free" to remarry. All verses re: remarriage, seem to indicate that I am not "free" to remarry. Thus, I choose to remain single.

We need to guard ourselves so that we don't do what we want to do, but that we do what God has told us to do in His Word. We literally destroy our own selves when we do our own thing. His Word and commands are protections for us. We are a deceived and sinful people, and His Word is the path we should follow. No, we don't want to be legalistic but we also don't want to make up our own gospel. It's a fine line between legalism and "cheap grace." Both are extremes. I find that it is only when I am in the Word that I can find the right balance between being saved by grace and obeying God.

Hope that makes sense. It's not easy to put it all into words esp. w/o sounding legalistic. It's funny, but it seems that everyone I read who does say things from the Bible that the Bible says, gets told stuff like "open your heart" or that they are being legalistic. I don't think that's true though. I think we have such a lax view of Scripture that any time we are told something that sounds hard or in which we are denying ourself a pleasure, then it is taken as being legalistic. Just a thought...

LoveMyEx: I really agree with much of what you have said here. And your right .. it's sorta a catch phrase to tell people to "search their hearts" when they seem strong on a Biblical point ..

I hope I said the right thing here.. I really don't like discussing this stuff on these boards because if you and I were having a coffee across the table from one another and we had our open Bible's we could REALLY disuss it properly.
I think we would have more that we AGREE on, than we disagree on .. you know? Or gee, I would certainly hope so.

Anyway, thanks for you post .. and LUV your handle .. it says it all ......
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Blessings,
Diamonzzz

Hi Diamonzzz,

I thought all of you had some good things in what you had to say, even though some of it differed. You know, before my divorce, I remember telling my husband that if he ever cheated on me, I'd be gone. There's be NO WAY on earth I'd put up with it. And I remember thinking like most people do that divorce is it... I mean, things like reconciliation never entered my mind. And I also remember thinking that you just HAD to have a counselor to solve your problems. Well... I've changed. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> The counselor did more damage than good, I believe in reconciliation, and I don't believe adultery has to be the end to the marriage.

So, I realize we are all coming from different views and convictions and I have even read various pastors who interpret just a little bit differently. It is hard to know when it comes to remarriage. None of it is easy. Following Jesus period is not easy because Satan is the god of this world and we are just surrounded and bombarded with so many lies.

Anyways, it'd be nice to sit with a Bible at the coffee table discussing it! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> It's not easy to communicate via the net. Things get misread, etc.

Well, I wanted to reply. I can't really remember who said what in here but I remember thinking that even though you guys were kinda disagreeing, you were doing so in a pretty patient and kind manner. And that in each of what you said, there was truth. Think of how uncomplicated things would be if we all obeyed God and didn't divorce, abuse, etc. (sigh). I guess that's what we can look forward to someday in heaven! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

God bless!

God Bless you too LoveMyEx.
I have said this before, this media is very lacking in communication.

For instance, if you and I were sitting across the table from each other and I were to tell you my story, you would see my tears (I just know I would cry, cuz I ALWAYS do) and I am sure you would hear the sincerity in my voice.

I would hear your story and I am sure we would BOTH have a good cry over it.

If nothing more, I just wanted to present the side that there is ALWAYS hope and that God is a God of restoration.

I know it is a touchy subject and I agree to disagree with you .. but I think the way we Christians present ourselves on this site is very important. People are reading (watching) and I think it matters.

Anyway, I also wanted to respond to you ........
I truly hope that you reunite with your ex .. and the sooner the better! Although I have not read your story and I don't know details, you did make mention of the restoration site (great site btw.. I have read that one too) and I know this is your heart.

God is a rewarder of those that put their trust and faith in Him.

Blessings,
Diamonzzz

<small>[ August 08, 2003, 09:47 PM: Message edited by: Diamonzzz ]</small>

Wow
This thread is coming at a perfect time for me. My x is an unbeliever and commited adultery, I'm remarried have been for 2 years now and my ex will be marrying the ow in a month.

I was wondering this very thing. Will their marriage be blessed? especially because he is an unbeliever and doesn't think he did anything wrong...

Very good and thought provoking thread!!!

When Hubby and I were talking to the Pastor of our church he asked me if I thought there was any way of my ex and I reconciling and I told him my ex was living with the ow and I also had a son with my now Hubby. I really think if I didn't have my son and I still had any feelings for my ex the Pastor wouldn't have married us.

I gave my life to Christ when I was 8 months pregnant with my son and went on to really understand what sin I had in my life <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> I'm not proud of the way I've handle my life and mainly because I know it hurt the Lord, that makes my heart just ache!!!

So I have repented, I have felt terrible that I did things the wrong way and I believe I have been forgiven but I also know I've had consequences for it all <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />

<small>[ August 08, 2003, 10:31 PM: Message edited by: Purpleroses ]</small>

Hi Purpleroses,

When we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleans us from
all unrighteousness. That is a promise. When
false guilt comes remember that word. You
are forgiven. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
I really don't know what to say about situation w/ ex.

Sent with Love, Ladysheep

Hi Diamonzz,

Thank you for the gracious words. Yes, communication via the net is difficult. And if we were in person, I'm sure there'd be tears discussing our spouses.

I am sorry, I cannot remember who said what... I know that you and singleguy and someone else... umm.... can't remember the name now, but you three were dialoguing, but I can't remember where you are at as far as your marriage and beliefs. It is late for me now so I will have to go look tomorrow.

You said, "If nothing more, I just wanted to present the side that there is ALWAYS hope and that God is a God of restoration."

Is that what you meant to say because that's how I feel too. Are you talking about marriage restoration or remarriage restoration? I am asking 'cause you said you agree to disagree with me, so I was a little confused, but that's the net for you, right!? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

Thank you for the kind words about reconciling with my ex-husband. Actually, this might sound funny, but I'm not so sure the sooner the better. I think God still has alot of work to do on me in some various areas and if we reconcile, I truly want it to be in God's perfect timing. In the beginning, I was so depressed and cried just buckets upon buckets and I so wanted reconciliation then and there (although many times I got angry and said, forget it! I regret those times now), but now I actually have alot of peace. I still feel sadness often, but I am truly learning to trust the Lord like never before, in various ways. Faith is "being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see." I am not so sure I have ever exercised that type of faith before... a steadfast faith in which I had peace even though my human eyes could see no reason to hope. Who is it? Esther? Sarah? I can't remember for sure, but it said that she "hoped against all hope." I think of that verse often because often, that is how I feel!

I actually haven't shared my story and details and probably won't since this is a public place with alot of different people of various backgrounds. I actually came in here, well, 'cause I read a testimony at Restore Ministries of a reconciled marriage where someone in here had referred her to Restore Ministries and 10 mos. ago, when I divorced, I had been in here a short time before I found the reconciliation site (at which time I stopped coming here) and I thought, "Wow, maybe that was me!" I was excited at the thought of maybe God using me in that way! It prob. wasn't me and it was a little silly, but I came in here to see if I could find out! heehee Well, then I read some stories and all the hurt and despair, and remembered my ownself months ago... and I wanted to encourage and offer hope and prayers and also recommend those sites that had been such blessings for me.

I doubt I'll be here long. The Lord has been able to use me with a couple people to encourage them, and that has been such a true blessing. I am thankful that He has used me in that way. The Bible says that we can comfort those with the comfort we have received.

But thank you very much for your words of blessing about my marriage. You know, my love for my husband has grown and deepened so much since the divorce. I believe it is because I love him now with a commitment vs. a feeling. I mean, there are still many feelings, but well, my love now is more of a committed love. The type of 1 Cor. where it says "Love hopes all things... love believes... love trusts.. love hopes... it is not self-seeking... it keeps no records of wrongs.. it always perseveres." I believe that as a result of this divorce, I am learning what true love, Biblical love, really is. It's the kind of love that guarantees no return but says that it "never fails."

The only thing I will say in detail about my marriage is that my love then was love that demanded and complained and didn't submit to either God or my husband. I was very doubleminded... one foot in my marriage, and one foot in my old life (we weren't married long and also I moved a great distance to his home state and I looked back one too many times). I was also critical of my husband and well, just a foolish woman in many ways.

So, even if it takes a long time, which, mind you, is not easy, I want the Lord to work however long it takes... I don't want us to reconcile before the Lord's time.

Anyways, yes, reconciliation is my heart.

God bless.

Wow, I checked in to see if I got any replys - 3 pages worth so far - but im really busy and cant read them all tonight - will try to tomorrow.

So thanx for the enthusiasm and feedback. Thanx for the sites to go to, i will check them out.

I do always ask God for the truth in all this and i think it could be different for each situation. Like all of you, I get friends and family, ministers etc giving me a variety of options to consider...the only thing is, the past 3 years, since the affair came out, husband leaving me etc, ive never felt a peace to consider remarriage as a possibility...probably because we arent divorced yet, although i do believe husband has been dating. Each time I wander from this conviction it feels wrong, and theres always some way that God draws me back. I feel like he says can i just hang in there because hes not finished yet.
About blessing etc, i guess i think, at this stage, that sure God can bless remarriages, but they wont have the fullest blessing of the original. If the "sinner" truely repents then that involves admission of sin, and deliberate turning from it and restoring any damage done as far as it is possible. My husband still wears this necklace OW gave him all the time. as far as i know he doesnt have much to do with her but the very fact he still wears it says alot. I wont go into it....i gotta go and finish some study for the morning.
Will be back asap.

THanx for the posts.

Dancer

Adulterer is just a label, all are sinners, no sin different than another. The question is really can a sinner remarry another. IMO the question is meaningless. Clearly sinners can and do marry 1st times 2nd times 3rd times. Will God bless those marriages? IMO God blesses and punishes in whatever ways He sees fit, and I am sure it depends on the nature of the individuals. Many people in first marriages enter them with evil intent, to own and control another human being, does God bless those marriages? I dunno, I suspect not, they were not entered according to His plan for marriage. All this talk (and effort) at trying to categorize and make rules about God's blessing this, God blessing that is fruitless IMO, the arguments/interpretations are usually quite obviously self-serving to the agenda of a given opinion giver. The only thing God requires of us (for salvation) is a leap of faith, all of His behavioural guidelines are about living a life that makes more likely we can make (properly) that leap of faith, not about doing good works, or rote obedience to rules, cause He has told us the way to Heaven is not that path. I supsect marital doctrine is mostly about resisting lust, and I suspect that is because lust makes leaps of faith more difficult. Likewise rules about "greed", "coveting", "vanity" etc.

If one (for whatever reason) is in any marriage, I think God blesses it in relation to how focused the participants are on Him.

Dancer,
I know what you are going thru. I've been there. When we've been hurt by someone we try to protect ourselves with defensive statements. It's proof that we still are wounded. I made every kind of protection statement like " someday she'll regret it, and she'll find out I wasn't so bad after all ". It took me three and a half years to forgive her, but I kept asking God to make the forgiveness real and one day it just happened. I asked God to forgive me and that I wanted to repent for judging her. Yes, the bible does tell us to seek reconcilliation. But it seems very few christians know that or care. But not every marriage will be restored, but the two can still be reconciled. You have been judging your h in your heart and you need to ask God to forgive you. I know your deeply hurt. Anger is a byproduct of hurt. Be careful. You be the leader in doing the Godly thing and you might be surprised what God might do. Since you are not divorced, alot is in your favor. But you need a plan of action. Doing nothing leads to depression.
God will bless a 2nd marriage just as much as a 1st if there has been true repentence. I know you want a penalty for divorce. There are already enough. Just ask a divorced person. And God hates divorce as it says in Malachi. But God forgives all sin completely including our judgement. Get a heart to heal [Gods word always heals] and not a heart to hurt and you'll find life will go a lot easier.
God Bless your marriage
singleguy

Sufdb,

although I am an atheist by philosophy, well written. . .

If i were to post, the reply would be more with the concept of are you in control of your life or is God? your God may present to you choices and sitautions and tests, but in the end, you have the choices to make. . . you run your own life, and your punishment, or salvation, or whatever is deemed to come at your passing. . . until then, live your own life the best you can, and make the best choices for yourself under your beliefs, and you will have done the best you can. In the end, all your individual god can ask of you is to do the best you can, because we are all fallible. . .

wiftty

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by WhenIfindthetime:
<strong>Sufdb,

although I am an atheist by philosophy, well written. . .

If i were to post, the reply would be more with the concept of are you in control of your life or is God? your God may present to you choices and sitautions and tests, but in the end, you have the choices to make. . . you run your own life, and your punishment, or salvation, or whatever is deemed to come at your passing. . . until then, live your own life the best you can, and make the best choices for yourself under your beliefs, and you will have done the best you can. In the end, all your individual god can ask of you is to do the best you can, because we are all fallible. . .

wiftty</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">sufdb...Thanks for the kudo, and you acknowledged you are an atheist (not sure how much you know about Christianity, although many atheists are disillusioned Christians)....but I need to make a clarification of your comment re this Christian topic. God does not ask us to be the best we can, that is not the focus or the goal of His direction. Only one thing is required of us, that is to believe God exists, that Jesus was His son, that He (Jesus) lived and died to expiate our sins so we can then ride His coatails (so to speak) to salvation. Since God knows our hearts and minds, one cannot fake this leap of faith (it is a leap because no definitive proof is offered, that is intentional I assume), therefore it behooves us to follow as best we can the guidelines God has layed down for Christian behaviour. I think he provides those guidelines cause following them makes it more likely one can muster the capacity to make the leap of faith (and avoid being tempted away from faith by satans mischief). But in any event, we are not judged (re salvation) by anything we have done (or not done), but what we believe when called to judgement (I am a little hazy here, but that is not at death per se, the end times are fairly complex, but I think there is one last chance for all who failed the test at death to recant and beleive later...but it is pretty dicey, better to get it right while alive).

<small>[ August 09, 2003, 09:59 AM: Message edited by: sufdb ]</small>

Can an adulterer remarry another woman with God's
blessing?

I can say from my situation in 1997. When I married a man I had known for only 5 months (big mistake), I did not know til soon after
that he had another wife. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> He was not divorced, as he told me, and he did show me a document of divorce from her. I found out later it was a forged, and illegitimate document. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />
I was stunned that people, mainly immigration
criminals do stuff like that. I was so naive,
I had never dated a foreigner before, and he
seemed so sweet, and I really felt I loved him. He asked me to marry him soon,
and if I didn't, he would have to return to India. Well we spent almost everyday together
and felt I loved him enough to marry. We planned a quick marriage, and the hurting began.
I cannot tell you the pain this caused me.
After finding out, I was married and divorced from him within 15 months. He was only here
1 month out of those 15. When we married,
he all of a sudden had all these places to travel to. India, Chicago, New York City. (I often wonder now if he was a terrorist scoping out the USA or if that is my hyper-thinking again). I could go on and on with the lies he told, but that would be a book in itself.
When he was in India, saying he was going back
to see sick mom. She happened to be murdered at
the time he was there for 1 month. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />
I also had a vision at the time he was in India of a beautiful woman with a blueish-purple veil and dress just staring at me. I know who that woman was now.
Of course I told immigration everything.
After finding out everything, I felt terrible because I was an adulteress and didn't even know it. And he was also an adulterer. And I felt terrible for his wife. Of course God could not bless it.
About a month before the divorce was final,
he confessed everything to me, he told me he
was "so sorry" and that he had to be cunning because of all his problems. This is how desperate I guess immigrants can become. I did forgive this man, it took a long time, and a lot of prayer, and psychotherapy too. I know I am forgiven also. I was free to marry my now husband, because the marriage I was in before was not a legitimate marriage. One of my christian Indian friends told me that women do
not divorce their husbands in India, it just doesn't happen. And if a wife tried, she would most likely be killed, according to the part of India he was from.

He also put his fist up to me at one point because I was talking back to him. I told him
"I am an American woman, I won't tolerate that.
He then put his fist down."

I was never good at picking men, but have grown wiser in my old age of 38.

Adulterers, God will judge.

I can only say what I know scripture to say.

Sent with Love, Ladysheep