[QUOTE]Originally posted by K:<p>I responded to catnip on this thread and in I pasted a quote written by her on 4/2. Now, in my opinion, she is insulting OC. That is my feeling when I read it.
She has alot to get over obviously but the loathing of children doesn't sit right with me.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by catnip:
[QB][QUOTE]Originally posted by CMiranda:<p>
And then what happens is people such as tobemommy (remember that one?) and Justine seem to disappear and most likely not get the well
rounded perspecive from us all.<p>"They are all OW's and could get their own site instead of crashing ours."<p>THEY ARE WS TOO. AND AS SUCH, THEY DESERVE A PLACE HERE TOO. Where does it say that all newcomers have to register with YOU?!!!
<p>"YOU were the one who came here being condescending and sarcastic. If you think we are projecting our experiences with our OW's onto you, you are paranoid."<p>No, I don't think you're projecting anything on to me. If you aren't the one paranoid, then why can't someone who is OW and WS be welcomed here? Justine isn't good enough to be on this site by your standards and it appears to be because you are a scorned wife who is threatened by any ow. It seems that way.<p> Respect and debate are so necessary at this site. But please catnip, don't retrack your claws and pretend you are the innocent one here.<p>"Oh, bite me, Cmiranda. This is the silliest thing you've said yet. I ain't pretending anything. I've been extremely forthcoming about my feelings about your attacks onto others and rude remarks. I know I can be a bytch and make no apologies for it...one thing I can do better than you is admit when I am wrong."<p>You wish someone would bite you, I'm sure!!!
I admit when I'm wrong, but I don't put on an act as you do catnip, it is so obvious all across this site. Doesn't the victim act get old?<p>"Here you go making all these innaccurate assumptions again. I can't speak for Gem but I don't care what advice you give the other OW's."<p>Some of your posts don't back this up.<p>"Then get the F off our site and make your own! I won't miss ya."<p>In your dreams. If someone is here to rebuild their M, it belongs to them. I just am not bitter and beat up like you are.
If you don't like it, F off yourself! <p>"You crashed this site.."
I crashed your site! Yah, right. Buzz off.
I don't need nor seek absolution. Gosh, don't you remember when I told you that the last time you attacked me and accused me of that? You saw that I'm not only a WS but also an OW and your tail got big cat! Too bad.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by flowerseed:
[QB]Catnip, Meowwwwwwwwww you go girl! <p>To the one that thinks catnip and gem are just a few, there are lots of us that have the same feelings as they do . We dont have to explain. So why dont you give it up it aint gonna fly here.<p>I wouldn't expect there to be only a few at a site full of BS! That is fine, but there are other opinions out here. You don't have to agree, but don't expect those who feel otherwise to give up. Don't expect from others what you wouldn't expect from yourself. I have alot of insight as WS and it just seems that the anger of some BS's is so misplaced that if it were re-directed to the one broke the marriage vows, it may be overcome. H or W could help you to overcome it but letting WS off hook seems to perpectuate it. That is what I think.

Ma was in the kitchen fiddling around when she hollers out..."Pa! You need to go
out and fix the outhouse!"<p>Pa replies, "There ain't nuthin wrong with the outhouse!"<p>Ma yells back, "Yes there is, now git out there are fix it." <p>So Pa mosies out to the outhouse, looks around and yells back, "Ma! There ain't
nuthin wrong with the outhouse!"<p>Ma replies "Stick yur head in the hole!" Pa yells back "I ain't stickin my head
in that hole!"<p>Ma says, "Ya have t stick yur head in the hole to see what to fix"<p>So with that, Pa sticks his head in the hold, looks around and yells back "Ma!
There ain't nuthin wrong with this outhouse!" Ma hollers back "Now take your
head out of the hole!"<p>So Pa proceeds to pull his head out of the hole, then starts yelling, "Ma!
Help! My beard is stuck in the cracks in the toilet seat!" To which Ma replies
"Hurts, don't it?"

1. WHY DO MEN BECOME SMARTER DURING SEX?
(because they are plugged into a genius)

2. WHY DON'T WOMEN BLINK DURING FOREPLAY?
(they don't have enough time)

3. WHY DOES IT TAKE 1 MILLION SPERM TO FERTILIZE ONE EGG?
(they don't stop to ask directions)

4. WHY DID GOD PUT MEN ON EARTH?
(because a vibrator can't mow the lawn)

5. WHY DON'T WOMEN HAVE MEN'S BRAINS?
(because they don't have penises to put them in)

6. WHAT DO ELECTRIC TRAINS AND BREASTS HAVE IN COMMON?
(they're intended for children, but men usually play with them)

7. WHY DO MEN SNORE WHEN THEY LIE ON THEIR BACKS?
(because their balls fall over their [censored] and they vapor lock)

8. WHY WERE MEN GIVEN LARGER BRAINS THAN DOGS?
(so they won't hump women's legs at cocktail parties)

9. WHY DID GOD MAKE MEN BEFORE WOMEN?
(you need a rough draft before you make a final copy)

10. WHY IS A MAN'S PEE YELLOW AND HIS SPERM WHITE?
(so he can tell if he's coming or going)

Aging Mildred was a 93 year old woman who was particularly despondent over the recent death of her husband Earl. She decided that she would just kill herself and join him in death. <p>Thinking that it would be best to get it over with quickly, she took out Earl's old Army pistol and made the decision to shoot herself in the heart since it was so badly broken in the first place. <p>Not wanting to miss the vital organ and become a vegetable and burden to someone, she called her doctor's office to inquire as to just exactly where the heart would be. <p>"On a woman," the doctor said, "your heart would be just below your left breast."
Later that night, Mildred was admitted to the hospital with a gunshot wound to her knee.

A man is out shopping and discovers a new brand of condoms, they are called Olympic condoms. Clearly impressed, he buys a pack. Upon getting home he announces to his wife the purchase he just
made.

"Olympic condoms?" she blurts, "What makes them so special?"

He says, "There are three colors, Gold, Silver, and Bronze."

"And what color are you planning to wear tonight?" she asks with a smirk.<p>Proud as punch he says "Gold of course."

The wife responds sarcastically, "Really, why don't you wear Silver, it would be nice if you came second for a change!"

This is for Gem [img]images/icons/wink.gif" border="0[/img] <p>A forty-ish woman was at home happily jumping on her bed and squealing with delight.<p>Her husband watches her for a while and asks, "Do you have any idea how ridiculous you look? What's the matter with you?"<p>The woman continues to bounce on the bed and says, "I don't care. I just came from the doctor and he says I have the breasts of an 18-year-old."<p>The husband said, "What did he say about your 42-year-old [censored]?"<p>"Your name never came up," she replied

Oh! OB1 I laughed sooooo hard at that one(shhhh I'm at work). You're the best...thanks for changing the scene. HA! HA! HA! 42 yr old [censored]!!!! HA HA HA
Love
Debi [img]images/icons/grin.gif" border="0[/img]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CMiranda:
[QB]&#8220;
Hardly paranoid catnips, but you feel about me as I do about you, that is no big surprise. You are kind to people who share your ideas and only your ideas. Your replys are very much all about you and while I defend OC you defend your WS.<p>Answer: You don't have a clue how I feel and I have no feelings about you either way. I am just sorry no one can reach you.

I&#8217;ve attached your overview of what you REALLY think of children Catnip. You have insulted my child. I read this and was so disqusted by it that it is what I associate you with now. It is this:<p>Quote by catnip on April 2, 2002

&#8220;Oh yeah...it just gets me that we have OW's coming here all the time snorting about their spawn and how they are so innocent and deserved to be loved when things like this happen time after time after time after time and OUR children are the ones who are traumatized, deeply hurt, made to feel insecure through all this discovery/recovery between the parents after the OP has had a field day barreling into a marriage (with spouses' willingness, cooperation and their own aggresive behavior, I know) but the OP just doesn't care...they just don't care at all about our kids, us or who they hurt or what happens to any of us. I don't want to hear one more word about the poor, innocent OC's that need love, contact, invovlement, protection and MONEY. Spare me! When the playing field has been leveled, we will consider the OC's when our own children have been loved, protected, cared for and are not vicitmized by interlopers who have changed their lives forever...and just plain don't care about them or the impact on them.&#8221;<p>Answer: This is how I feel. What's wrong with this? Injustice always gets me going. Besides, this is more about how the OP didn't care about MY children and the effect her actions had on MY family. It ain't about you. It ain't about the OC. It's about OW expecting that we all drop everything for them and empty our pocketbooks for them and be involved with their OC while they don't care one lick for my kids. Why do you not understand what I am saying so clearly? Why would you be insulted because I am angry about my sitaution?<p>
I&#8217;m sure your kids don&#8217;t read your posts. So, no further comment by me on this one catnip. I think you&#8217;d love to fry your husbands child with OW. Yes indeed, I do.<p>Answer: Huh?<p>I think your reference to your husbands child as &#8220;it&#8221; says it all.<p>Answer: How does this effect you? Why would you care?<p>Your husband is responsible and I&#8217;m sure the courts are just in their decision.<p>Answer: You're sure the courts are JUST in their decision? How can you be sure? What do you know about it? <p>If the courts have to force a wage garnishment then I would think its because your husband and you haven&#8217;t lived up to his obligation as a father.<p>Answer: You are obviously ignorant to my story. It is important to have your facts straight before you speak otherwise you will look like an idiot.<p>Unless courts do mandate garnishments on parents willing to pay what they owe? Don&#8217;t those people pay willingly? I would bet you are left with $150.00 because you owed back pay.<p>Answer: I bet you are wrong. I know it is an exercise in futility to try to penetrate the density with you but just for fun, let me try to explain with just the facts. <p>Family court in NY is arbitrary at best and corrupt at worst. Hearing Officers (not judges) mandate the decisions and are not held to any standard and are not regulated by any court watch dog. Criminal and Federal court see family court as a nuisance and just let them do whatever separately and away from them. This gives the HO a lot of power.<p>Our HO refused to believe we had lost so much. He refused to examine our tax returns, our finacial statements, my husband's illness and accused us of cooking the books. The HO actually pulled a figure out of thin air and made his decison based on nothing and refuses to adjust the amount. The mandated amount was actually more than what my husband made the first year back at work.<p>My husband did not work in 1999 because he was hospitalized three times. He was diagnosed bipolar and put on meds but was extremely suicidal. <p>&#8220;It's true, I do beleive this and always will.&#8221; (about adoption)
I can understand why, it would ease your husbands financial obligations. Is that why you feel so strongly? <p>Answer: Not only are you cruel and insensitive, I think you might be evil.<p>Anyway, that is your opinion. I&#8217;m entitled to believe otherwise. It is a great choice for many, but if the mother wants the child then I think believing to give it away is self serving people such as yourself.<p>Answer: Self serving. Hmmm. That's a new one. I've been called many things but this is a first. Interesting.

However the principals of this site and the great advice by some here suggest that OM&#8217;s W and my H should be told the truth. I have been discussing doing just that with a a mc. I read your opinions and it drives me back in the other direction.<p>Answer: Because you are spineless? I bet this isn't about sparing your husband pain as much as it is about you being a coward.<p>OM despite my decision to move on with my life, wants continued relationship, wants a lot of things (besides sex catnip)<p>Answer: Hahaha<p>My ex-OM and I think we spared a lot of people from a lot of pain, most important to us were the children involved<p>Answer: Saint Cmiranda. Let's all genuflect.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CMiranda:<p>
THEY ARE WS TOO. AND AS SUCH, THEY DESERVE A PLACE HERE TOO. Where does it say that all newcomers have to register with YOU?!!!<p>Answer: Marriage Builder members are expected to embrace the Harley principles and philospohy and dedicate themselves to rebuilding their marriages. That is what this site is for. It is not a forum of excuses, validation, obsessing over the OM or carrying on about how much you two loved each other...mostly because none of us care about that. We only care about your marriage and your BS. I don't make the rules.

If you aren't the one paranoid, then why can't someone who is OW and WS be welcomed here?<p>Answer: Are you not paying attention? They ARE welcome here.<p>Justine isn't good enough to be on this site by your standards and it appears to be because you are a scorned wife who is threatened by any ow. It seems that way.<p>Answer: Don't you see how ridiculous and ill informed your response is? Don't loose any credibility you might have by making statements based on ignorance.<p>You wish someone would bite you, I'm sure!!!<p>Answer: Hahaha. You're kidding, right?

I admit when I'm wrong, but I don't put on an act as you do catnip, it is so obvious all across this site. Doesn't the victim act get old?<p>Answer: Huh?<p>"Then get the F off our site and make your own! I won't miss ya."<p>In your dreams. If someone is here to rebuild their M, it belongs to them.<p>Answer: REBUILD then, and be welcomed! It only belongs to you when you incorporate a program of honesty and embrace the Harley philosphies and rebuild your marriage. Otherwise, this is not the place for you.<p>I just am not bitter and beat up like you are.
If you don't like it, F off yourself!<p>Answer: You sound extremely bitter, Cmiranda. You have from day one when you came crashing in here making all kinds of insensitive and rude statements to the other members here. You have been reprimanded many times for your crass remarks. YOU have displayed a hatefulness and a bitterness that takes my breath away. And your manners are shocking. <p>I don't need nor seek absolution. Gosh, don't you remember when I told you that the last time you attacked me and accused me of that? You saw that I'm not only a WS but also an OW and your tail got big cat! <p>Answer: My "tail got big cat". What does that mean? Anyway, I tried to make nice-nice with you last time because I wanted to reach you and thought I might be wrong about you. I was just wrong about being wrong, apparantly.

I really liked what Katie Scarlett offered on one of her posts many months ago on GQII. She said, "It's not what we are called, but what we answer to."<p>I think what happens is that we are all involved in such deeply personal issues that we cannot discuss openly in the world every day at work and church and at the grocery store...by the time we get here, we are ready to explode!!!<p>I think that infidelity has changed all of our lives permanently, in one way or another. There IS no going back to the way it was--whatever that was--pre-infidelity. We have to move on from this point. Period.<p>That's it. We don't get to go back to anything. There IS nothing to go back to. Only starting from now. What are we going to do to make a better moment--right now. It's all we have!<p>We don't have tomorrow in the bag. Yesterday is GONE forever. All we have is now. You're right, catnip it is all about attitude...