how do investigate a strange hotmail account?

So my W is out of town this weekend. Back in our 'old town', where OP lives...

I've been assured of no contact, and I have faith...

but...

I went to log into my hotmail account and at the sign in screen, there's a strange email login name. I've never seen it before and I know of no one other than myself, my 8 yr old and my W who have used this computer in the last few days.

It is not a name I could ever picture Dylan choosing. Also I'd be absolutely stunned with disbelief to find any deception going on.

So anyway, anyone know how to get into such an account?

Just to satisfy my curiosity?

dewt

dewt:

If you find out how, I'd be interested. My W has one that she's used since 4 months after d-day.

I don't think there's any way 2 hack such an account. Only thing you could do would be 2 use some spyware keystroke monitor program, for PCs. Macs (which we use around here) don't have keystroke software, so they have to take screenshots periodically.

-ol' 2long

You could try to do a password retrieval. I believe it emails it to an "alternate" e-mail. If she generally uses the same password for things give it a try.

Sorry, but this is pretty fishy at least to me. "strange" email accounts that you know "nothing" about would send a HUGE RED flag up to me. Oh well, that is just me I guess. You no doubt can find more than enough people to "explain" away this email as coincidence. I would look into spyware or something else to further monitor things. ANyways, good luck with all of this.

I think even the most naive of us here would at least feel a tad uneasy if an unknown email popped up coincidwently around the time an unfaithful spouse was back in the same town with a former partner. Hey, but like I said, this is just my ****opinion**** and I could be very wrong about all of this. Perhaps it is your 8 year olds childs account?

LM <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

neverenough:

That's probably the best idea I've ever heard of.

If dewt has a hotmail account of his own, he could try retrieving his own password that way as a test of the idea.

Let us know if you try this and it works.

-ol' 2long

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by dewt:
 So my W is out of town this weekend. Back in our 'old town', where OP lives...

I've been assured of no contact, and I have faith...

but...

I went to log into my hotmail account and at the sign in screen, there's a strange email login name. I've never seen it before and I know of no one other than myself, my 8 yr old and my W who have used this computer in the last few days.

It is not a name I could ever picture Dylan choosing. Also I'd be absolutely stunned with disbelief to find any deception going on.

So anyway, anyone know how to get into such an account?

Just to satisfy my curiosity?

dewt <hr /></blockquote>1) Check the profile of the person
2) Send a greeting ynder his name. Ask how things are going....

There are other hacker tricks, but can't put those on MB <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

[ February 19, 2005, 10:11 PM: Message edited by: tanelornpete ]

[ February 19, 2005, 10:20 PM: Message edited by: tanelornpete ]

Well, yes, this is kind of a red flag incident.

However, I refuse to jump to conclusions.

I can remember many a time when I was the FWS and things 'looked fishy' but weren't.

I will pass on the keylogger/spyware. For one thing, I'm pretty sure there's enough of that on my pc already. One more will probably reduce it to an oversized desktop calculator that takes 45mins to boot up. Also, I refuse to live a suspicious life. If it turns out that my Dylan is indeed a deceitful person, then I am sure that the truth will come out. It always does. In that case, there will be no need to check up on her because it will no longer be an issue. I don't think that this is the case.

But it's one thing to have faith, another to stand in the middle of the highway with your eyes losed. I will check out the the other ideas posted here, and when I next speak with her, I will ask.

It's possible the account belongs to my older son, but he hasn't been here since last weekend and I've checked my email since.

My email is **edit**, if there are any tips that can't be posted. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Thanks all, for your replies.

dewt

tp:

I'd be interested if you have other suggestions you'd be willing 2 talk about offline.

**edit**

-ol' 2long

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by dewt:
 Well, yes, this is kind of a red flag incident.

However, I refuse to jump to conclusions.

<hr /></blockquote>I don't think anyone is saying "jump to any conclusions". It is no doubt at the very least a red flag, but hopefully nothing more than that. If it were me, I would be much more "on edge" and "curious" than you seem to be. Hey, but that is just me. I am happy for you that you have faith and are taking this very smoothly. I wish that I could have your calmness with this type of "red flag". I am sure that your previous experiences are allowing you to reamin rational and calm about this.

It is probably "nothing".

Goodluck with all of this.

LM

[ February 19, 2005, 10:58 PM: Message edited by: lemonman ]

If you try to log in and enter the incorrect password, you can go to "forgot password".

The downfall to this on both Yahoo and Hotmail are that you reset the password...it doesn't send you the correct one.

You will have to verify country, state, zip of the profile as it was originally created and then answer a secret question.

Not that I've done this before <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> , but it should be pretty easy.

A word of caution.... sometimes people who set up secret accounts don't give accurate information when they set up a profile. If the zip code doesn't work you may want to try parents zip codes, old home zip codes or 90210.... I hear those are popular when creating secret accounts.

FIM

I have several ideas, but don't want to get flogged here... email me if you want: **edit**

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lemonman:
 I am sure that your previous experiences are allowing you to reamin rational and calm about this.<hr /></blockquote>I choose how to react. I could just as easily be totally freaked out.

I've tried the forgotton password thing, but we get to 'fav movie' as the question and I'm stumped. The last 'secret email account', which I discovered before it got off the ground, was set up be someone else, and if this is a secret account, well the name chosen would indicate that someone else set this one up too.

That is if it really is a secret account.

Also, the other reason I'm not freaking out is because I've kind of got very little 'freak out' left.

A month ago, I thought that living with my spouse who is still rejecting me was pretty bad.

Then I had a major medical crisis... (susp. heart attack)...

Then a week later my brother is killed, leaving behind 2 children (boy 4yrs, girl 2mos)...

Then a week later I get laid off for imaginary reasons...

Then a week later I'm facing a dental emergency that taught me a whole new meaning to the word pain...

So now this...

Don't you understand, I'm so far past freaking out, it's not even funny.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <------ only slightly manic

dewt

Oh Dewt. <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />

You've been hit bad. You're entire family has been hit bad.

The only one I can relate to is the dental emergency, and do I ever know what you mean there.

You hang on, and do what you need to do to get through this time the best way you can. Anyway you can is probably more aptly put.

And as far as Dylan starting up a secret account, I choose to hold her innocent until proven guilty. For what my opinion is worth on that.

[ February 20, 2005, 06:47 AM: Message edited by: weaver ]

dewt

My gosh! Your current situation and problems make mine look like Church on Sunday!

Take care of yourself and God Bless You!

SM

PS: Little Note here for others to read:
Keylogger software you purchase is not in the same category of malicious spyware or Browser Helper Objects (BHO's)that you would acquire from dubious websites\e-mails. Keyloggers have their specific purpose\place to track specific users activities. Yes keyloggers can be used with malicious intent but they can also be used to uncover what your children or your spouse is doing or where they are going. It would be nice to just be able to ask the question and obtain an honest answer but as we all have found out honesty is not an integral part of an affair.

Dewt, hacking into this sort of account is 99% intention, and very little skill. I did it myself. The way I did this, was to go into the temp internet files, and bring up all files attached to that account name. Eventually, there is a good chance you will come across one where it saved the password. Just say "log in" and you are there.

I do feel compelled to say, though, that you should be prepared for the worse, if you go looking for it. I'm not trying to be doom and gloom, but so many times here we help people find out secrets their partners might be keeping, and they come apart when they find the truth.

SOMEbody has accessed that account on your computer. Or it wouldn't be on there. Check the history, check the temporary internet files, and see what kind of picture you can piece together. If nothing else, you could get a better idea of the questions you want to ask when she comes home.

Peace to you, Dewt.

Spidey

Depending on how while she has wanted to try and cover her tracks the following should give you an indication of what may actually be up. If you are running windows go to your start tab,go to either search or find fast, click on find files or programs, in the pop up box make sure it will search your C Drive, and then type in the hotmail account name in full under the box, "containing text". It will search your hard drive for any files on your computer that contain this account. Generally what will popup is a copu of any of the archieved screens in history that have been viewed on gthe computer. What you will get will depend on how long your history folder has been set up to save for, generally 20 days so you will be able to view whatever has been viewed during the last 20 days. This will not show you what the account holder has sent out as responses, but whatever email they have received will be viewable to you. Hope this helps.

But w/ Hotmail you usually are timed out and you are still required a password. Yahoo, you can easily access this way.

Truth be told, I hacked all three H's email accounts & his bank account and changed all his passwords.... what can I say, I was pi*sed! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="images/icons/blush.gif" />

I also gained access to OWs email acct. I can tell you where she lives, her home number, her Mom, step dad and step siblings names and ages. I can even tell you the last time she used her maiden name... I know, invasion of privacy, etc. But I consider her intending to replace me a huge invasion of my personal space as well.

Well, thank you all so much for taking the time to reply.

I've followed a few of the ideas and turned up nothing.

I realize a that the spyware we're talking about is different than the malicious stuff, I was just joking. I'm serious about not wanting to use it though. The fact is when you boil it right down, I'd rather be lied to than live a suspicious life. Of course, really I'd rather just not be lied to, but y'all know what I'm saying here.

I asked her about the email address and she said it was the fellow (one of her old room-mates) who checked his email when he was here to pick her up. His name is Phil...

...but I didn't know it was him (current room-mate of OP) picking her up.

...and why would he check his email if he was just here to pick her up? Was it not something that a phone call could have resolved? Would he have just made himself at home (in my room) and made Dylan wait while he composed whatever urgent reply surely he would have had to...

And why am I even asking these question?

Didn't I just say I didn't want to live a suspicious life?

Yak... this is what I'm talking about.

And then... get this... since I'm being all suspicious, I decide to pop in on her email account(which I haven't done since like June/July) and find that either I've forgotten the password or she changed it. Most likely the later, but what is a suspicious mind going to do in a situation like this?

Yep. Freak out.

Which is exactly what I don't need.

So to heck with it.

I'm gonna go play some video games with my boy.

After all, technically she's not my wife or even my girlfriend and has, steadfastly over the last 13 months or so maintained that she has no interest in being so. It's just that having her around is pretty nice and we have intimate moments and I keep slipping into thinking we're in recovery. And this, although probably a natural reaction, keeps getting my hopes up which then allows them to be dashed when I realize it's all just an illusion I've set up to comfort myself.

Bah, there I go again... thinking too much... and worse, babbling on in a post.

What was I saying about video games?...

Oh yeah...

dewt

dewt, I understand what you are saying. AND, I also can see how her friend might have logged into his email over at your place. Occassionally, when I'd go to my girlfriend's house, and she wasn't ready yet, I'd check my accout ~ just to kill time, or check and see if I had any messages. He might not have even composed a message there, perhaps just checked his own.

AND, where does the suspicion game end? IF you two were in recovery, I could understand the need for her to be transparent. BUT, as you said, you aren't. At least she answered your question, at least you ASKED the question. To me, honestly, that is progress.

Communication (and honesty) have to begin somewhere. Maybe that somewhere needs to start as friends for you two.

I hope you had a GREAT time playing video games with your boy. THAT is what is really important ~ making memories together, IMO.

Spidey

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Spider Slayer:
Maybe that somewhere needs to start as friends for you two.<hr /></blockquote>Hmmm. I get what you are saying, but if a friend ever betrayed my love, trust and my family unit the way she has, that person would no longer be my friend. I'm picky that way. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Now a Wife, the Mother of my Child, the Love of my Life... now, there's a person I'm willing to go to hell and back for.

I don't understand the 'friends' thing. Dylan says that too. Maybe it's because anytime in my life a girl has said she's wanted to be 'friends' with me, it's because she's dumping me.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />I hope you had a GREAT time playing video games with your boy. THAT is what is really important ~ making memories together, IMO.<hr /></blockquote>Well, you wouldn't be saying that if you knew what game we were playing. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

Good memories were made on the ski hill this morning though... me, my dad and my son, tearing up the slopes!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Anyway, break time is over... time to cook.

John

[ February 20, 2005, 06:34 PM: Message edited by: dewt ]

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> I don't understand the 'friends' thing. <hr /></blockquote>You know, when my H was foggy, I didn't understand it, either. BUT, when it came down to 1)not having him in my life at all, or 2)having him in my life as a friend only, I realized that I loved him, and I would take him any way I could. Because, in my heart, he would always be my H, he would ALWAYS be the father of my kids.

And when we first came back together again, it was as friends, it was as life partners, it was as a team. The romance, M, came later.

But, every sitch is different.

That is great that you went skiing today with the 3 generations of "dewt" men! I bet you three made a dashing appearance on the mountain!

Hang in there.

Spidey

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Spider Slayer:
 You know, when my H was foggy, I didn't understand it, either. BUT, when it came down to 1)not having him in my life at all, or 2)having him in my life as a friend only, I realized that I loved him, and I would take him any way I could. Because, in my heart, he would always be my H, he would ALWAYS be the father of my kids.<hr /></blockquote>Ok, I didn't really understand this...

I mean, faced with the same choice, I would obviously choose to have Dylan in my life too. HOWEVER, if she only wants to be friends, well, then she should let me know because I would like to have a shot at happiness in this life. Not that anyone is EVER gonna find me as trusting and unguarded...

When I was dating this other girl, (back in Sept) I found that I really liked having someone find me desireable. Not just in the physical sense, but in every sense. She always wanted to be close to me, intimate... in fact she'd get frustrated because I didn't see her that often. That kind of made me feel special, and cared for, and desired. The exact OPPOSITE of the kind of rejection I'm getting from Dylan.

I'd really like something like that in my life. It encourages me. It boosts my self worth. It helps me see a brighter futur. It's a place of refuge after the world has kicked the sh:t out of me all day.

It's not the kind of thing you get from a friend, or I would have called my buddy JL to get me through this mess last year.

Please understand... I LOVE Dylan. If it came down to it, I'd probably lay my life on the line for her. But right now, it seems like I'm facing a lifetime of rejection and loneliness. And to me, that's worse than death.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Spider Slayer:
And when we first came back together again, it was as friends, it was as life partners, it was as a team. The romance, M, came later.<hr /></blockquote>When you first came together again? Explain this please... did you decide to give it another try, but go slow? Did you move back intogether? Was your H repentant of his betrayal and willing to make amends, or did he consitently blame you for everything? In other words, what was the intent... the plan?

I don't see that Dylan and I have big problems with the 'friendship' aspect of our relationship. We get along very well, hang out together easily... the long silences are never uncomfortable... and as a parenting team, we are doing ok.

But the life parteners, the marriage... what's happening with that? Dunno... but day in day out, week in week out, month in month out, I see no progress. I see stagnation. I live in a state of constant rejection and loneliness, and I don't see how this relationship can grow without some intent/purpose/plan behind it.

See, I'm not just struggling with the betrayal of her affair. (although the fact that my W chose OP over me is a blow to my self-worth I'll probably never get over) I'm struggling with the same issues that I've been facing for many years before the affair. % years ago, I had an affair. I did it because the OP found me attractive and desirable and that was so powerful a force that my morals went straight out the window. Now I've learned much since then, and grown, and I would never cheat again, but the same issues are still there, only now they are even worse.

And I'm asking myself if I'm an idiot for hoping they will change. I'm pretty damn sure that if things continue the way they are, things will NOT change for the better... only for the worse. It seems like it's a viscious circle and I don't have the strength to break it on my own. And Dylan doesn't seem to want to break it.

And like I said, I'm starting to think that I'm an idiot. I have a history of giving my all for someone and having them disregard me. What in the world is possessing me to thing that this is going to be any different? Why am I such a sucker for betrayal and pain? Why can't I just accept the TRUTH and make some decisions based on THAT rather than cling to some ideal of true love and family and marital commitment? Seriously, these are wonderful concepts but it's a two-player game, and it's hard enough when you have both partners committed. What chance does a psychologically damaged idiot have of doing it on his own? Especially when the current scenario seems tailor made to exascerbate the issues that I've been carrying all my life?

Anyway, for now I'm hanging in there. But the end of the rope is getting kind of tight around my neck. I'm not ready to give up yet. As idiotic as these ideals of mine are, they are still mine and I dread the thought of losing them. I just don't know what I'm gonna do. I don't know how much more of this I can take. It seems like such a no-win situation and I'm very much despairing.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />That is great that you went skiing today with the 3 generations of "dewt" men! I bet you three made a dashing appearance on the mountain!<hr /></blockquote>My dad was dashing. Me and the boy were mostly crashing. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> Yeah, that was a great time.

Thanks for posting. I didn't mean for this thread to turn into such a discussion, but since the cat is out of the bag, any ideas or new approaches to the situation would be appreciated. Not that any new approaches or ideas are going to make a shred of difference, but the sympathy and encouragement are nice. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

dewt

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> What chance does a psychologically damaged idiot have of doing it on his own? <hr /></blockquote>Good thing you're not alone here at MB! Even though I shouldn't encourage you to put yourself down, your choice of wording DID crack me up. I think everyone considers themselves a "psychologically damaged idiot" sometimes.

Well, ncwalker had questions about my post to you as well, and I answered (to the best of my ability, and based on what I thought the questions WERE), over on a thread to me (Spider Slayer) from him (ncwalker).

I think he and you might both have had the same questions, so go check it out and see if I totally missed the mark. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Spidey

If the person who was signed into the account used Messenger, then you can open the messenger (accessed throught the start menu, usually does not require password) and click "You have x new emails" which will automatically open hotmail on the computer. Just be sure that you don't have explorer open when you do it.

C

Hey Slayer,

Yep, I did catch your reply and it did clear up my questions. Thanks. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

I refer to myself as a 'psychologically damaged idiot' very seriously. Ok, well I did crack a grin as I typed it...

The reason I use that term is because my childhood and early adolescence is marked by abandonment and loneliness issues. It was only after puberty that I found an analgesic for that pain. That would be intimacy. Someone wanting to be intimate with me gives me immediate and profound reversal of the feelings of worthlessness and loneliness that seem to have been such themes in my life.

When someone wants to be intimate with me, they are telling me that they care about me. That they accept me as I am and want more of me. That they find me attractive and want to give me pleasure. That they trust me to bring them pleasure.

These things are REALLY important to me. Healthy or no, they are significant emotional needs and not having those needs met is putting me at a VERY serious disadvantage. It has been for some time.

The idiot part of that phrase is a reference to the fact that I'm still holding on to someone who has consistently made it plain that she does not desire that intimacy with me. She has not for many many years and yet I'm still holding on. Hoping. Someone's sig line keeps reminding me that insanity is doing the same things and expecting different results. Maybe I'm insane, not an idiot. Hmmmm, bah, it's all semantics.

I'm just wondering if I'm wasting my time, her time and setting my kids up for a bigger fall at some point down the road.

As for MB, well, uh... there a few who still bother to post, but mostly I think people have given up on me (because of my well-earned status as an idiot). But yes, I am grateful that I have a place to come and vent and think things through with the written word. And I am soooooo very grateful for the folk who take the time to read and reply. I sometimes wonder though if it isn't better to keep sweeping things under the rug. Truth be told, I do much better when I'm not thinking about this.

dewt

Hey C_A, thanks for your reply. I'm pretty sure that messenger wasn't used. I spoke with my W about this and believe her when she says there are no secret accounts.

dewt

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> The reason I use that term is because my childhood and early adolescence is marked by abandonment and loneliness issues. <hr /></blockquote>I had these same issues as the theme for my childhood as well! Seems we are kindred in a way. And, through my teenage years, I was um, er, what is the PC way to say this? Oh yes, promiscuous. I never did trust a man, as every single one in my life had left me, until I met my H when I was 16.

I have to say, that when HE left me for the OW/FBF, I was crushed. He had PROMISED me he would never leave me like everyone else had. BUT, he did. He lost his way, and I got hurt in the process. That is the way I choose to look at it.

I did read your introduction on the "other" board a few months ago, before your brother passed (so very sorry about that). So I am somewhat familiar with your story, although it is quite involved. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

So, Dylan is living with you, as friends only, for the sake of your child. Is that the short version? She has her life on the side (with or without OM? Do you know?), and you continue to pine after the relationship YOU want with her? But she has made clear for several years that she DOESN'T want with you?

I'm not being flippant, I am literally just trying to get a good picture for where you are at. I'll post to you till the cows come home, or you figure out what you want. That's what I do here! You can bounce the same thoughts off me day after day. I'm tough.

But ultimately, of course, all of these are YOUR decisions, with questions that only YOU truly have the answers to.

Are you a hopeless romantic, or are you beating a dead horse? You are not the first, nor the last, to feel "stuck" in that gray area. I DO know that it is OK to hang out in that area for a while, until you feel sure one way or the other. And just because it doesn't "feel good" to be there, doesn't necessarily mean it is a "bad place" to be.

It is in the dark valleys of our lives that we grow, and also the contrast we need to fully realize and appreciate the peaks of our lives.

Spidey

Hello Dewt,
So Sorry to hear about your brother's death. Sos sorry to be reading that there is not much progress toward any type of recovery between you & Dylan. I,ve written to you in the past, and know your story a little bit.
So why continue to be a 'sucker for betrayal & pain'? If you know the 'truth', why are you not facing it and accepting it. Why are you not able to make your personal life-decisions based on the truth whatever it may be? Your life and happiness are in your hands and I think, like most of us on this earth, you need to continue to make decisions based on the realities which you face.. Most decisions toward living, happiness, healing, redemption and survival involve some measure of sacrifice on a personal level, internally or externally. What will it take for you to move towards living a happy & fulfilling life. Consider the things you do have control over and work on them. Consider what you will do regarding the things you do not have control over; will you continue to waste your time and energy on them? What will it take for you to consider your own health, physical & emotional, your well-being and to make the types of decisions that allow for healing instead of destruction?

I continue to pray for you and your own personal recovery.

Peace,
Odyssey

Odessy,

These are questions I ask myself every day, all day.

The thing is I really don't know what's 'truth' anymore. I am so far in over my head it's not even funny.

dewt

This thread has gotten kind of de-railed.

I'm going to start another one here .

dewt

Sorry dewt and others -just wanted to thank everyone I have sofpal downloaded and finally working. I am getting smarter by the day.

yikes...

his name is xxxxx xxxx
the same name as on the hotmail account...

he is the guy that "comes along for the ride"...
and has, on most occaisions....

the friends who drive up here to offer transportation are few and far between, and this is the guy that tags along and keeps them company and is on call for emergencies....

and when my ride arrived, I was still downstairs, at work....and was not ready....

he spent time at the computer to check his e-mail...

then we left....

as I felt there was nothing to hide, I changed nothing on the computer....

it never ocurred to me that Dewt would not recognize his full name....

I have not read the rest of this thread yet....I thought I'd best address the immediate issue at hand....

just FYI....when xxxxxx arrived, I was informed that OP was 6 hours away, helping relatives move and would not be back for another week, in the least....

I am so sorry for all this trauma....

As I said, I left everything open because I had nothing to hide....

and I didn't mention xxxxx coming because you can never be sure until the knock on the door, who it is that has accompanied my driving friend....the 3-4 ladies that can drive are all new mothers in the pst 2 years, are not accustomed to a 4-5 hour journey and are nervous drivers to begin with...they will not make the trip unless they are accompanied by a driving buddy...

heck, because of the traffic and weather involved, I can never be sure of what time my arrival and departures are at....

I'll go read now...

Dylan

okaaaaaaay....

I have cut and pasted, and am going over to the other thread....

I will cut and paste some more and formulate a response....

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by soulloss:

I am so sorry for all this trauma....
<hr /></blockquote>Hey, trauma would have been finding out that there was a secret email. The way I see it, you really have nothing to apologize for.

If anyone got a little freaky, it was me... (which I have a tendency to do when you go back there) so don't worry about it.

I'm actually pretty happy that I didn't jump to conclusions.

John

oops...

John