Let me at least be clear about something...I am/was NOT SMB's OM or tst's OW. As matter of fact, I am not and was not ANYONE's OM or OW. If any of you had any type of fear that I was your OM/OW, you can relax.

SMB wrote:


I am so sorry you felt that way. I have apologized before, but I will apologize again for constantly posting to you and tst even when you did not like it. I will respect your wishes and I won't post to you or tst any more, unless it's necessary (as they say, never say never), which I don't see the need anytime in the near future, if ever. So, I hope you can continue to post to get the help you need and to help/educate others who are in need of your and tst's assistance.

I believe that marriages are the foundation of a community, a society, a nation, and maybe even the advancing of human race. So, my purpose on MB is to learn, grow, assist, support, etc. as evident by my posts.

If I ever post an opinion, comment, or advice that's completely irrational, unreasonable, or unsound, please say so and state why you think so, instead of screaming "troll." Let's be civil and kind to each other.

Happy new year everyone!

p.s. This is meant to be a positive thread. Please don't post on this thread if you don't have anything positive or constructive to add.

BA

No........

HERE is the deal...

Check your email.

JustUss is very kind and reasonable and we have resolved our issues. JustUss asked me some questions and I answered them all.

This thread has been unlocked. I will probably ignore any attack posted on this thread, so, let's keep this thread positive and productive.

BA

OK,,good start.

Now anything else you want to say to the members?? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Justuss,

This person is already posting on other people's threads.

What is up???? Is this the 15th or 16th name???

I have supported Phoenix and Ron in the past and will continue to do so. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

BA

I edited/added some stuff I want to say on my original post.


BA

I certainly trust Justuss' instincts. I am disappointed that you have not offered an apology to SMB and TST for your harassment of them(telling her that you are sorry she felt a certain way is not really an apology now is it?). But that is for you guys to work out. (apology noted)

So, BA..now that you are obviously going to continue being a part of our little community here, do you care to share your story about what brought you to MB?

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

I want you OFF phoenix's thread. She is suicidal, so you go elsewhere, **********

miss melody lane said


That is despicable!!!!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> wow <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> wow <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

He/she said they want this thread positive, so the FIRST people to jump in ARE ..... ?

Let the mods do their job and don't tell others who and where and what to post with their style.

******
BA, let me explain something to you, pal. People come here in the DEPTHS OF DESPAIR. This is the REAL DEAL. This is not some playground for you to exercise your ego and get your jollies at the expense of vulnerable people.

If you have a shred of DECENCY, you will leave these people alone. Phoenix is so distraught and so depressed that she can barely get out of bed. She does not need your interference on her thread.

Thank you, Ozdreamer, for responding. It's okay, I'll be the bigger person and I won't respond to it. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

BA

Why not show that you are first a HUMAN BEING and leave these people ALONE. That will be a demonstration of a "bigger person." That might even show you are HUMAN. In fact, I think a REAL demonstration of a "bigger person" would be to LEAVE after all the harm and dissension you have caused to some very vulnerable people.

Let's see if you really ARE the "bigger person" and leave this board alone.

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /><img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /><img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

As soon as I saw the ID, I knew.

Justuss, I appreciate you, I admire you, and after seeing you in action so long, I trust you. Wow, I really don't understand though. Hopefully it all will become clear at some point. Really, I trust you. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Mel, glad to see you all rested up.


So what is "don't tell others who and where and what to post with their style" except telling someone WHAT AND HOW TO POST???? *thud*

Mel's posting style is light years different than mine. I am a bush-beater, and she is not. But whether I agree with what she says (I usually do), or how she says it, I appreciate her willingness to act as a lightning rod to protect some of our vulnerable members as much as possible.

Ozdreamer, what is your story? What brought you to MB?

Okay, BA,

I will be the bigger person.

I apologize for calling you an idiot.

NOW

YOUR TURN.

You owe apologies to every member of this board.

Shall I enumerate the reasons? Or can I count on your morality and ethics and allow you to make the apology here and now, publicly, for all of us to see?

If you need help, please let us know. We ARE willing to extend understanding. This one last time. Like multiple d-days, BA, we only have so much patience.

I'm on my last "d-day" with you. There will be no other olive branch extended to you.

Schoolbus

Ain't gonna happen. Unfreakinbelievable.

Interesting advice OZ...to bad you had to do the EXACT same thing in the very same post. Mel attacks a troll, you attack (constantly) a helpful advice giving and supportive compassionate veteran poster.

Good work. STIR THE POT SOME MORE.


BTW, OZ, that stupic Alexa chart you posted the other day didn't say ANYTHING near what you proclaimed it to say. It was based upon percentages and not an indication of ANY decline in usage whatsoever. MB traffic/hits likely have QUADRUPLED or more in actuality (seems that way to me) and still the percentage of total web traffic has gone down compared to the ENTIRE INTERNET. Even our new Wii game registers webhits/traffic by connecting to the internet...not to mention MB has to now compete with Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus, myspace, facebook and Webkinz.

Mr. Wondering

I apologize for using "schoolbus1." I should have given others more notice in advanced that it was me and my using "schoolbus1" was simply dis-tasteful.

BA

This would be preferable, IMO.

Comparing that type of data is not scientifically sound. The exponential growth factor of the number of Internet websites and users, and given the fact that this website number has remained stable (at one), makes the use of a percentage-based statistical reference invalid.

It would be more proper to look at internal data, such as number of user registrations, daily user hours, number of user posts, counseling sessions scheduled and attended, MB weekends/attendees, books sold, etc. and the growth of those numbers over a given time frame, and compare them to similar sites and services by competitors, and also have non-marital sites as possible controls as well to compare true growth data and measure performance based on those statistics.

Please.

SB

Well, I will be the first to admit that your apologies to TST, SMB and now SB go a long way in improving your standing here. Hopefully you will understand why people are more than a little hesitant to give you the benefit of the doubt just yet.

Can you please share what brings you to MB and your story?

You are getting closer, BA.

Not close enough.

You should not have done it at all.

Usurping the name of another person and attempting to impersonate that person is fraud.

It is wrong.

That is what you did.

Own that, and we can move on to the next apology.

SB

Exactly, SB. And the traffic on this website has consistently risen over the years, per the board owners. This has now grown to the highest traffic website that UBB has ever managed, according to Steve Harley. They are looking for alternatives to accommodate the growth.

However, it is curious that Ozdreamer wanted to mislead us into believing the chart meant that traffic was DOWN. Why?

Is this a multiple choice question???

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Because Oz has another agenda. Simply speaking.

BA, if you are really sincere, then you will pledge to leave newcomers ALONE and stop posting to the especially vulnerable ones. That would show that your intent is not malicious here. And many do think it is. If you had any decency at all, you would just leave.

MEDC,

The answer is "C", antidisestablishmentarianism.

Because that is what makes sense, do you see that now?

SB ;-)

Still no story from Ozzy or Eve.

Guess I'll check back in the morning and see if they've had a chance to post them.

LOL, Neak, I needed a good laugh.

Sleep well.

Nite hon. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I'll be hitting the sack before long myself.

I actually have to go to work tomorrow. At least the little darlings dont' show up until Thursday when my Redskins come to town. Woo hoo

Sorry to keep you up Neak.
I will post when I feel I want to post ...and NOT before.

MrWondering - IF Justuss is to be believed, then the "issue" of "troll" or "not troll" has been resolved. Continuing to call someone a "troll" AFTER the Moderator has settled the issue would seem to be a case of the "left hand" doing exactly what the "right hand" was doing, DJ's and inappropriate personal attacks. Whether or not any given member "likes" or "dislikes" another member is no longer an issue. The "authority" on the subject ARE the Moderators and Administrators, not other members who do not have access to "real" information about any given member.

If it is "not troll," then continuing harrassment is just that, harrassement of another member in violation of TOS that applies to all members. RESPECTFUL disagreement with another members opinions or posting "style" is "okay" and acceptable, imho, but harrassment of a member is not.

Just food for thought that can chewed, and swallowed or spit out.

EXACTLY.

You know what FH, you can just back right off lecturing my husband, got it? I'm in no mood...Mr. W is at the hospital with our DD8 right now, she fell this morning and is getting stitches in her head...so just back off...

Mrs. W

OK BA, so Justuss has decided that you are to be allowed to continue posting here...

That still leaves many valid questions unanswered:

WHY are you posting here? What's your story? Why are you interested in a message board for people trying to stop adultery and recover from it? BTW, those are normal questions to be asked here; what is abnormal is when a new poster pretends those type of questions are somehow rude or abusive...

Why do you pretend to be the 'best advisor' to newcomers here? What credentials, experience, education, etc. do you have that makes you feel entitled to make such a claim? These questions are based upon your choice to pose as somebody having the best advice; again, not in any way inappropriate questions to ask of somebody making such a claim.

Why did you pretend to be another poster (schoolBus)?
Now the questions and objections in reponse to that stunt are IMHO quite valid. It's just plain rude (not humorous) to do that. IMHO any adult posting at a message board about such a serious topic as adultery should know better than to think anyone here would find that funny. How old are you? I am not saying that to be insulting BTW; I am trying to find some sort of explanation as to why you maybe didn't realize why that sort of 'humor' is inappropriate here. I am trying to understand why Justuss keeps cutting you such big breaks? I could maybe understand if you are just a child trying to cope with your parent(s)' adultery/divorce?

Why did you capture Orchid's phone number as a quote before she could delete it? That was extremely suspicious behavior! And again, the explanation that you finally gave, that you thought it would be funny, is literally incredible IMHO.

Why do you keep changing your posting name? You've certainly been notified enough that is in itself considered to be suspicious, troll-like behavior. So why do you persist in doing it?

And now a new question:
Why can't you just share with us the same explanation you gave to Justuss? What logical reason can there be for further secrecy and suspicious behavior on your part?

Yes, there have been a few posters here who have reacted to your behavior in an unwelcoming way. Of course they have - that's a natural and reasonable way to respond to the way you've acted here. But that's not even the issue IMHO. The problem still remains that you've come here for a motive that you refuse to reveal, behave in a manner that is offensive and suspicious, were already given numerous chances to both share your story and change your ways, but persisted in your problematic posting choices.

For some mysterious reason Justuss chooses to allow you to continue posting here... Apparently whatever you told Justuss was believed and considered valid enough reason to prevent your being banned. So what's with all the secrecy? Why not answer the questions, stop the offensive behavior, and just tell us whatever it is you told Justuss?

Sheesh!

Two for "spit out."

MrsW - I hope your daughter is well and I understand your distress over her needing stitches.

Justuss,

I'm sorry but I really don't understand this. I was happy to see you lock this thread and then here it is again??

You have my e-mail at work and I would appreciate even a little explanation.... I do trust you....I just don't understand.




We never said "we didn't like it" we asked repeatedly for this person to stop. Other members came to our aid also asking this person to stop.
Anytime we posted trying to help others, this person came behind our comment and often tried to threadjack by asking us distracting personal questions, in an obsessive way.


I never would consider this a gift,
I would consider this respecting anothers wishes.

"never say never"??? This isn't reassuring ???

What is really difficult is nobody even knows for sure if BA is a man of a woman? The refusal/unwillingness of anyone not sharing SOME of their story calls their credibilty into question. Especially on a forum where the basic guiding principles are based on OPENNESS AND HONESTY.

Hmmm....looks like the "troll" issue has been resolved to the satisfaction of board management, whether some of you want to admit it or not. I'm sure that Justuss and others will be keeping an eye out for new trouble and then take appropriate action.

I find it quite amusing that many of the "troll-patrol" strenuously defended their right to post anyway they saw fit, but then continue to attempt to force others to change styles or leave. Quite hypocritical, actually.

Mrs. W...I hope your daughter is okay.

Thanks for asking MEDC! She's gonna be fine of course...Mama worries yanno...It was a "burst" rather than a "cut" from the sheer force of the blow-the classroom floor was slippery, when she fell she hit her forehead on a desk...12 stitches...She's home resting comfortably now...phew![/threadjack]

Mrs. W

great...glad to hear she is home and resting. Those blows to the head can be scary!

MrsW, please give her a kiss for me! Poor girl! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Um, okey dokey. Yet another user who shows up out of the blue just to make comments, but whatever....you're welcome to share who you are when you're ready.

Heartpain, the mods have not said this is not a troll. They have said they do not believe this is TST or SMB's OP. Big difference.

And TST, that "apology" and half-hearted non-attempt to stop posting to you is creepy. Still.

The only thing that would have been good was, "I am sorry for posting to TST and SMB when they asked me not to. I will not do it again."

After all the shenanigans that have gone on, even addressing this non-apology to you was disrespectful. And truly, it was neither an apology nor a promise to stop posting.

If you don't put them on ignore physically, at least do so mentally. Don't even acknowledge them again, is my advice.

Umm, okee dokee...Where did they say this? I must have missed it.

MY point was that *some* investigation has been done by a *real* authority figure on the board. The result of that investigation, as far as we, the public, know was that BA(or whomever) has not been booted from the scene. That may happen at a later date, or it may not.

The non-apology to me also didn't count in my book. It was a superficial attempt to "apologize" while not accepting full responsibility for bad behavior, openly and honestly.

We await the general apology to the members on the board community.

Because this person, who has changed usernames for reasons yet to be disclosed, has certainly caused much discontent and distress.

He-she-it has acted disrespectfully to several members, and as meremortal points out, at this point does leave many questions on the table, still.

And yes, IWRA.

SB

All the "BA's" dont have a story. In fact no one knows if they have a marriage at all.

Can you guys imagine how it would be if we put all the BA's on ignore at one time!?

Here, I will be the first one. If we all do it, and if more pop up we can shift them to "ignore" immediately.

Soon, BA will get tired of posting if everyone is ignoring the BehAvior.

WE CAN DO THIS! AS A GROUP ON MB WE HAVE GREAT AMOUNTS OF POWER BUT ALONE WE DON'T. LETS GET TOGETHER AND DO IT.

FWIW Schoolbus, it is my opinion that BA owes you a direct apology*******edit********

Whenever we do something wrong, are convicted of our sin, there should be only one response; repentance, confession, and asking for forgiveness. That means no "ya, but's" are allowed. Repentance does not include "ya, buts" if you understand what I'm trying to say. "Ya, buts" take away from the sincerity of the apology, if not render the apology a "non-apology."

Neither is using justifiable hurt feelings and managled emotions "valid" reasons ("ya, but...") for returning "hurt for hurt." There has been far too much of that on the system by many, not just by BA. Mea culpa.

How does one find this "new" "updated" information?
Under which of the many names is considered your "original post"?

*********edit*********

Thanks, FH.

I agree that apologies come with straight language, no qualifying phraseology to follow.

Just, "I'm sorry for __________".

BA needs to start with that simple stuff first.

I would like to know the story, though. Because as we at MB know, the avoidance of a d-day really does no good for relationships.

And this avoidance of telling us the truth has eroded the relationship between the members and BA. I believe the only way for BA to make any steps toward credibility at this point is to answer some questions and open up some dialogue.

Sort of like counseling between a couple - it starts with the WS coming clean, doesn't it?

Doesn't the WS have to, at some point, own what has happened, take responsibility, confess the problem, tell some details, and then the BS can begin to heal?

I see the members here looking for that confession, that apology, that ownership of behavior, BA.

And I see you avoiding it all. You've been given the opportunity to tell us - and we are all ears. No one is standing in judgement at this point. We are trusting Justuss and the administrators on you, they gave you another chance, so here we are, waiting to see what you offer up.

Let's hear your apology, then your story (or at least the bones of it), and let's see if YOU can be helped here.

You came here for a reason. What is it?

SB

"And I see you avoiding it all. You've been given the opportunity to tell us - and we are all ears. "

You on this board have been MORE THAN FAIR with this TROLL. And VERY responsive. But it is a TROLL. What can you expect?

NOTHING!

One more time, Stella, Justuss has investigated and determined that BA is NOT a "troll." It would behoove you to stop using that term and take up your disagreement with Justuss directly.

****************edit*************

I am hoping, against hope, that this person really is what Justuss believes him/her/it to be:

worth saving.


BA, I've been strongly pursuing you to apologize and to tell us your story for a reason.

Because I fully believe that if you tell the truth

you just might heal.


Your true story could not be much worse than what I have been through.

So, we await the true story. Redemption does exist, BA. Purely and freely. It actually starts

with brokenness and confession.



SB

Agreed.

************edit**********
So I know full well exactly what you mean, and I agree with it.

God bless.

****edit*************

********************edit*************

I suspect that board members putting BA on ignore is why its name keeps changing.

Who

Hey this might be a first.

I actually got to read the back and forth between FH / MEDC .....BEFORE it got edited. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

That doesn't ever happen.
(not on board enough these days I guess)

Sheeesh,
you boyz really don't like each other do ya. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

it's got nothing to do with me not liking anyone.

I just don't feel like having numerous discussions about this topic.

Nope...I don't think that is how it works.

BestAdvisor got banned (ushered to the door and escorted OUT)...

So, BestAdvisor1 shows up at said door...opens it...walks in...and is banned....(ushered to the door, door shut...<CLICK>...locked.)

BestAngel shows up...door is locked...so they pry open a window and crawl in.

Etc...etc...etc....

I equate them with someone who cannot take "no...get away" for an answer. You shut the door...they have a foot there...you lock a door, they crawl in a window...they will find a way in.

How embarrassing to KNOW that your presence isn't welcome but you still are FORCING yourself on people.

I feel shame for them...and pity...overwhelming pity.

committed

You know better than to have 4 shots of espresso in the morning, Stella.

j/k <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

two fellow MB'ers are Christian (they are Mormon and this offended FH to the point where they put him on ignore too).

I read those posts and I was dismayed to say the least at FHs words.

My Grandfather, who was one of God's finest ministers, taught us that THAT is the meaning of "judging" others. We do not determine who will go to heaven and ****** by the faith that they practice. It is ALL about choice and we don't know for sure who is going to heaven...we just have "faith" that it will be us (a collective us...not a certain religion 'us').

He also taught us that people can be "stumbling blocks" to others in their quest for heaven. That is what I find him to be.

As always...this is jmho...and why I NEVER get into spiritual debates with people on the site.

committed

Keeping in mind that all the banning was for VERY good reasonS (plural).

Keeping in mind that all the banning was for VERY good reasonS (plural).

Most assuredly. It certainly wasn't for giggles.

committed

*************edit**********

FH...

Why do you imagine that********OWES you an explaination of his beliefs??? I personally do not find your methods of asking him to be Christian at all...I too have been disturbed by your continual jabs at him in MANY of your posts as of late...It is stalkish like behavior and it is unbecoming to say the least...

Mrs. W

Oops, posted this to the wrong thread. Here it is, where I was trying to put it.


Sorry, all those quotes get a little confusing, but I have to dash and don't have time to figure out how to fix them. Sigh.

and it is unbecoming to say the least...

Not to mention very UNchristlike.

Is this what it means to witness for Christ?

committed

The olive branches have been rejected, ignored or acknowledged with a non-apology because the minute "BA" does the right thing, the gig is up. It's no more FUN (in a sick twisted way) for BA.

BA would have to shed its skin and be EXPOSED and ACCOUNTABLE.

** I posted my reply on the wrong thread too... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

So, committedandlovi, are you saying you can just make judgmental statements of your own, snipe away, and NOT have to discuss the basis of your disagreement?

***edit***********
***edit***********
The basis of the disagreement is a definition of the term "Christian." As I have repeatedly said I stand ready to say both WHAT and WHY I believe something. If that "dismays you," then so be it.

"Never getting into spiritual debates," or discussions IS your right. But if you choose that restraint for yourself, then wouldn't it make sense to not "snipe from the bushes" and then run and hide behind, "but I won't discuss the disagreement with you?"

With all sincere respect for your Grandfather, believers ARE told to "judge" others who claim to be believers for a number reasons, one of the most important is to prevent heresy from being taught and accepted as "truth." That is in the Scripture and is not "just my opinion."

To NOT "judge" would be the same as telling all who are on MB and who believe in the sanctity of marriage to NOT say that someone was wrong in believing that Adultery was okay or that "God must think it's all right or he wouldn't have brought the OW/OM into my life." Their "sincere" belief still does not make it right, nor would it be "right" for others to keep silent and not say why they disagreed.

A fair question, MrsW.

***** doesn't necessarily owe ME an explanation of his beliefs, he owes it to God and to all Christians who believe in the biblical Jesus and the foundational doctrines of Christianity that have been delivered ONCE to the saints. When he wants to "endorse" the Joseph Smith manufactured religion AS being "Christian," then he has both the right and the obligation to explain WHY he thinks that way. He claims to be a Christian and is, therefore, as am I myself and all who claim to be a Christian are, accountable to each other for the faith they have and WHAT and WHY they believe what they believe.

"Am I my brother's keeper" was asked a very long time ago. God's answer was, "Yes."

God bless.

ForeverHers, I don't understand what it is exactly that you want. I've been a Christian since I was a child. In my lifetime, I've figured out one thing for sure, that it doesn't matter a hill-of-beans if someone disagrees with me or my beliefs -- it in no way affects my relationship with God. I can't make anyone believe the way I do. No one can make me believe the way they do.

In the end, every knee WILL bow and the truth will out. For Christians to "debate", "argue" and "judge" amongst each other in front of non-believers just justifies non-believers in thinking that NO ONE has the answers. How is that a witness?

****obviously does not wish to debate you any further on this. Why can't you just drop it?

Guys -- PLEASE Stop Feeding the Trolls and wasting so much bandwith on this. There are lot of other folks here who could use your time and energy, but they are left hanging because your time and energy (neither of which are unlimited) are going to this crap again.

Use the "ignore" button freely and then go help some people who really need it.

Please.

Don't make me come in here again.
Mulan

So, committedandlovi, are you saying you can just make judgmental statements of your own, snipe away, and NOT have to discuss the basis of your disagreement?

I am not making the judgmental statements that I am referring to.

I am not saying who will and will not go to heaven. THOSE are the judgmental statements I was referring to.

I don't really feel as if I am sniping either. I am just making comment on how I perceive you and your preachings...along with your DEMANDS from others.

More often than not your actions speak so loudly that no one can hear what you are saying.

It is really hard for me to understand why you think you are owed explanations about others personal religious beliefs.

If they shared with you, and weren't in agreement with yours, your next step would be to stomp all over theirs. I have seen that numerous times from you. Take that as judgmental...I have read it time and time again on the site.

It is not being a good witness to demand explanations from others. Nor is it being Christlike in manner when you do not accept their choice to NOT share it with you. Don't you see something wrong with that picture?

committed

TWO THUMBS UP!!!!

Ty PM...you explained that much better than I ever could have.

committed

Because even when we stop feeding it, it changes its skin and name

and comes back for attention in a different way.

It needs help.

It needs something.

And Justuss has given it a thread - so, here we are, waiting for BA to tell us the important story.

The reason BA is is here.

Which, I can tell, will not be told.

That's really too bad. Because that allows for no credibility, ever. No redemption.

And leaves BA with troll-status forever in the minds of most of us, unless reversed by BA. Only BA can make that move.

Open and honest - there it is. We await the reply of this thread's owner.....

SB

BA's not coming back here. It's already posting on another thread this afternoon.

My one-and-only, single, solitary, absolutely-never-again comment about FH's board persona: It is my opinion (and I've been wrong in the past, but at just-3-weeks-shy-of-60, not as often as before <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />), formed a year or more ago, that FH often engages here in some form of theological Last Man Standing, a spiritual smackdown, if you will, in which only he--and his Biblical interpretations--will remain upright once the dispute dust settles.

I don't know why anybody argues with him. I guess you must all be younger, and have more of your life span ahead of you than I do...and therefore, more minutes to fritter away on not accomplishing anything. I'm too old for it.

t&l

PM, Comm, Mrs W....others...thanks.

He did the same thing to me, as he is doing to **** and tried to do to****edit*****

told me I was not a Christian because I am a follower of a Course in Miracles.

I grew up in a Christian home, with a mom who taught Sunday School for 20 years and a dad who had studied to be a Methodist minister before joing the AF as a pilot because he knew his number was up for the Viet Nam draft.

I attended church and Sunday School and youth groups all my childhood and never once heard that only "born again" Christians were going to heaven.

But***just couldn't handle me thinking I was a Christian. He cared not how that hurt my feelings, how that affected me in the slightest. Just like he did to **edit***, whose feelings were clearly hurt.

I was a Christian before I knew what a Christian was. My earliest childhood memories are of my love for God.

I am no longer a Christian, as the term no longer has any meaning to me. But my love for God, my spiritual beliefs will never again be up for ridicule by the likes of FH. I know now how they are attached to my heart, and how having someone else do what *****does can hurt.

And if I never hear the term "believer" and "non-believer" again, it will be too soon.

When you stand before your God, and explain, why you used His name in vain... to your own glory, to harm others, as a platform for your soap box...instead of to heal, to uplift, to give hope...I wonder what you will say.

I no longer call myself a Christian, but it makes my heart weep to see what ***** is doing in His name.

How's that for a "hysterical rant"

Now, are we T/J-ing BA's thread?

I'm trying to wait and see if BA comes back and tells the story.

Seriously.

This person has been given a series of chances by the administrators, and I would like to see why.

BA????

Weeeelll, tis true. I am a little bit younger. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Unfortunately I don't have the stomach for it. Or the grit...or something. Did it against my better judgement, too. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

So what you're saying, Weaver, is that the Biblical bludgeon didn't bring you "round"? Odd, that. Beating people over the heads with a sanctified shillelagh has always worked so well for me! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

t&l

What annoys me is the way many misinterpret this 'Scriptural permission to judge' and cause or create senseless disputations by making everything a matter of doctrine; judging others in legalistic areas that are not germane to salvation.

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

What annoys me is the way many misinterpret this 'Scriptural permission to judge' and cause or create senseless disputations by making everything a matter of doctrine; judging others in legalistic areas that are not germane to salvation.

That's what I was saying...I think. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Just in relation to going to heaven or...ahemmm...down there.

committed <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

There are only two REAL sins.

1. Interfering with anothers spiritual growth.

2. Interfering with our own.

Oddly enough,

It seems I must be one of the few here who has had a lengthy discussion with FH regarding my own personal religion that did not result in such difficulties.

He was respectful, and in the end, accepted my discussion and thoughts without any type of name-calling or barbs.

For me, I had no problem.

I do, however, see what you all are seeing right now.

FH, you are coming off as very difficult right now, and quite judgemental in spots. Might I suggest that you return to the type of posting in the more mediated manner you used with me? The FH you were when we spoke together on the boards was so different. It was a much better way to talk, and your points were well-spoken and I respected and appreciated the discussion we had. I didn't feel threatened or grow weary of the things you had to say, and it was very easy to talk with you when we did that. I enjoyed it very much, and as you know, I'm not a biblical kind of quoting person, and you were able to meet me at my level. That worked for me, and I think maybe you are at your strength there.

SB

"If they shared with you, and weren't in agreement with yours, your next step would be to stomp all over theirs. I have seen that numerous times from you. Take that as judgmental...I have read it time and time again on the site."

This is why after I found this out, that there was no way to discuss any sort of subject or topic with him and when I was being beaten black and blue and nearly senseless by crappy "religious talk", someone's errant beliefs, I backed off and put **edit***on ignore. It is such a relief. Not to waste air arguing with them.

Perhaps if a person who is abusive, cannot justify verbal or physical abuse of others because of Christian beliefs, they turn to abusive behavior IN THE CHRISTIAN type realm by beating, chewing, and stabbing others with scriptures and the WAYS THEY believe which are always RIGHT.

The women on ******edit***** and of course the fellow legalistic and abusive christian, ******, get along with him. Those are the only people "lately" who get along with him. I dont know of his past posts. I am just seeing the contentious posts in the recent past before I placed him on ignore. I wish to God he would put me on ignore too but he wont. He prefers to stalk me and (I believe) insult my posts.

You try and give your e-mail to either one of them,***edit****WATCH OUT. They will first pretend to help. Then they will jump all over you, guilt you, chase you, condemn you and call you an infidel. I had to block one of them due to the "Christianity" abuse.

By the way,****edit*****at a job,,, if he has so much time to critique others all day long?

I love God and have loved him all my life. But of course I am not a Christian in thier eyes.

We actually disagreed on religion. I'm nowhere near a legalistic Christian, and FH knows that.

In the end of our thread, he understood my position, and respected me for my views.

FWIW, there it is.

Like I said, perhaps I am unique.

SB

SB, I am glad he was good to you. Very glad.

Most of you guys missed it...

FH wrote 2 long posts on one of the deleted threads the other day that I agreed with IN THEIR ENTIRETY.

I marked it down on my calendar, but then the New Year came along and I threw it in the recycle bin (they pick up 2day). <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

-ol' solong2long.
(Still going)

HEY Now <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />....
....Just a minute....
how'd I Go & get on Ignore??? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

What's a top rope to DO?? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

It weren't me. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
Honest. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

I don't email ......or otherwise Harass anybody. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />

(allegedly) <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

And I tend to keep my religious views .....pretty much out of this forum. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

So take it back, take it back. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I ain't done it .......no way no how. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
I's Innocent Boss! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

2Long,

See that's my secret belief...that you agreeing with FH tears the fabric of the space/time contium...so the threads self-combusted.

LA

I just 2k you off ignore.

You know? That button is pretty useless, if you read on MB like I do.

When I'm not logged in, I can of course see the posts I've put on ignore. And I like reading before logging in, because there are so many more posts per page that way.

Anyway, seein' as how I'm leaving the boards, I thought it wouldn't matter much whether I'm ignoring anybody or not.

"Basically, I'm on my way 2 Australia"

- James Garner, "Support Your Local Sheriff"

-ol' sofargone2long

Me 2! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Imagine that! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

OK, even more wierdness...

I like both MEDC's and FH's posts. I mostly agree with them and I guess I wasn't really aware there was a major disagreement between the two of them?

I know that FH was one of the posters who thought MEDC and some of the rest of us were being too hard on Back/Laura_Lee... but to FH's credit when it was revealed that Back was a fraud he didn't continue to stubbornly defend her just for spite.

IMHO both MEDC and FH come across as sincere. And as far as I know they both are strongly, no excuses, opposed to adultery. (THAT is very important to me, no matter what posting style is employed.) Although their styles and opinions may differ, I do believe they are both willing to post what they truly believe, instead of being overly concerned about what people think of them.

WHAT is being said... WHO is saying it... HOW is it being said... WHY is it being said...

To some people it's really important HOW something is being said (perhaps maybe even more important than WHAT is being said?).

Others are very focused on WHO is saying it (maybe because they've made up their mind who they like/trust/respect?).

To others it is more important WHAT is being said (and they really don't care much about who says it or how they say it).

And some wonder WHY something is being said (the true motive behind it - where the person is coming from).

IMHO much of the feuding here has been about differences in which of those things are most important to each of us: not just WHAT is being said, but WHO is saying it, WHY they're saying it, and HOW they're saying it.

I don't normally comment on people's posting styles because quite frankly it doesn't really matter much to me. I have no objection to MEDC's or MEL's posts... or to FH's. HOW somebody says something is just not that important to me. And IMHO the way some posters are obsessed with trying to get others to change their posting styles, especially when the posters being 'defended' are obviously trolls, is just plain silly. There is a false presumption being made that posting style, HOW something is posted, is far more important than WHAT is being said and why it is being said. Also, because of some feuding and grudges some posters seem more concerned about WHO is saying something than WHAT they are saying.

To the posting police, who feel compelled to chastise posters to the point they even defend obvious trolls or unrepentent adulterers, please consider that not everyone has to agree with your premise that HOW something is said is more important than WHAT is being said.

I don't care as much about WHO says something as some posters here seem to. If I agree with something posted I will not hesitate to say so, and vice versa, regardless of who posted it. The whole 'sides' thing doesn't interest me much. However there are times when a poster's persistant use of troll-tactics are taken into consideration; it would be naive (or stubborn?) to keep giving the same problem-poster the benefit of the doubt once all doubt has been removed that they don't intend to behave.

Maybe we should have different message boards based on posters preferences in priorities? I would choose to post mostly on the board where WHAT is said (and sometimes WHY it's said) is the most important aspect. And I would hope to be able to do so without chastisement from those posters who are more concerned with HOW or WHO.

*********edit******

I would submit that "others" have "set the tone" and the "preferred" style of posting on MB for quite some time now and several have left or greatly reduced their participation in MB as a result, a result of an extended period of that sort of activity.

For myself, and I know it will just give*****all sorts of gleeful feelings, I think it's time to follow 2long to some quiet rock formation where we can "argue" and "discuss" origins all day long, knowing that neither one of us will likely ever change our opinions. But I like discussion with 2long because he's intelligent and not afraid to "defend" his positions. And when he tells me to leave, I'll go over to another spot on God's earth and just "be."

But, you are right about one thing concerning my current interractions ***edit*****and it's an indulgence I am no longer willing to allow myself.

Either the system authorities will step in and take some measures to calm things down and reduce the rhetoric, or they won't. Either way, I will "do my part" by removing myself from the hysteria and posting only if I feel like posting to someone, or not. The system isn't ******nor is anyone elses. It belongs to Dr. Harley. The rest of us are guests on his system, a system that was intended to provide for ALL who came seeking help and not as a haven for vigilanteism.

God bless, and thank you for your considerate post Schoolbus.

******************edit***************

There have been people driven off who were not proven to be trolls.

When long-term, respected forum members are being called rude names and
have their motives questioned.

When new people leave saying they don't feel safe. Not unsafe because of
the trolls, but unsafe because of the alley-like attitude that some mistake
for passion.

When long-time contributing members start seeing fit to leave or curtail
their posting and point out that it is *because* of the vigilante,
self-righteous atmosphere that permeates this forum emanating from a very
few - that members are more concerned about being RIGHT than being helpful
- then it's much more involved than just a difference in delivery.

It isn't about trolls, as someone pointed out recently. IMO, it is the
over-the-top abusive, disrespectful, uncivil responses from a very few
posters who have given themselves permission to do whatever it takes to
garner a "win" which is displayed in one of two ways - the person they have
decided to target either leaves the forum or stops posting anything that
disagrees with the few.

**edit*********

Thank you graplin.

"A person may cause evil to others not only by his actions but by his inaction, and in either case he is justly accountable to them for the injury." I choose not to stand silently and watch such injurious behavior. Mimi asked on one of the "disappeared" threads why so many were willing to stand by with inaction - I was traveling and was downloading threads to read on the road but couldn't reply. I was not purposely inactive. I wanted to stand with you. So here I am now.

Once again, about to hit the road, so all I have time to say is, I agree with graplin. Any non-response on my part is due to travel.