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My one-and-only, single, solitary, absolutely-never-again comment about FH's board persona: It is my opinion (and I've been wrong in the past, but at just-3-weeks-shy-of-60, not as often as before <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />), formed a year or more ago, that FH often engages here in some form of theological Last Man Standing, a spiritual smackdown, if you will, in which only he--and his Biblical interpretations--will remain upright once the dispute dust settles.

I don't know why anybody argues with him. I guess you must all be younger, and have more of your life span ahead of you than I do...and therefore, more minutes to fritter away on not accomplishing anything. I'm too old for it.

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PM, Comm, Mrs W....others...thanks.

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He did the same thing to me, as he is doing to **** and tried to do to****edit*****

told me I was not a Christian because I am a follower of a Course in Miracles.

I grew up in a Christian home, with a mom who taught Sunday School for 20 years and a dad who had studied to be a Methodist minister before joing the AF as a pilot because he knew his number was up for the Viet Nam draft.

I attended church and Sunday School and youth groups all my childhood and never once heard that only "born again" Christians were going to heaven.

But***just couldn't handle me thinking I was a Christian. He cared not how that hurt my feelings, how that affected me in the slightest. Just like he did to **edit***, whose feelings were clearly hurt.

I was a Christian before I knew what a Christian was. My earliest childhood memories are of my love for God.

I am no longer a Christian, as the term no longer has any meaning to me. But my love for God, my spiritual beliefs will never again be up for ridicule by the likes of FH. I know now how they are attached to my heart, and how having someone else do what *****does can hurt.

And if I never hear the term "believer" and "non-believer" again, it will be too soon.

When you stand before your God, and explain, why you used His name in vain... to your own glory, to harm others, as a platform for your soap box...instead of to heal, to uplift, to give hope...I wonder what you will say.

I no longer call myself a Christian, but it makes my heart weep to see what ***** is doing in His name.

How's that for a "hysterical rant"

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Now, are we T/J-ing BA's thread?

I'm trying to wait and see if BA comes back and tells the story.

Seriously.

This person has been given a series of chances by the administrators, and I would like to see why.

BA????

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I don't know why anybody argues with him. I guess you must all be younger, and have more of your life span ahead of you than I do...and therefore, more minutes to fritter away on not accomplishing anything. I'm too old for it.


Weeeelll, tis true. I am a little bit younger. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Unfortunately I don't have the stomach for it. Or the grit...or something. Did it against my better judgement, too. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

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So what you're saying, Weaver, is that the Biblical bludgeon didn't bring you "round"? Odd, that. Beating people over the heads with a sanctified shillelagh has always worked so well for me! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

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What annoys me is the way many misinterpret this 'Scriptural permission to judge' and cause or create senseless disputations by making everything a matter of doctrine; judging others in legalistic areas that are not germane to salvation.


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What annoys me is the way many misinterpret this 'Scriptural permission to judge' and cause or create senseless disputations by making everything a matter of doctrine; judging others in legalistic areas that are not germane to salvation.

That's what I was saying...I think. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Just in relation to going to heaven or...ahemmm...down there.

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There are only two REAL sins.

1. Interfering with anothers spiritual growth.

2. Interfering with our own.

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Oddly enough,

It seems I must be one of the few here who has had a lengthy discussion with FH regarding my own personal religion that did not result in such difficulties.

He was respectful, and in the end, accepted my discussion and thoughts without any type of name-calling or barbs.

For me, I had no problem.

I do, however, see what you all are seeing right now.

FH, you are coming off as very difficult right now, and quite judgemental in spots. Might I suggest that you return to the type of posting in the more mediated manner you used with me? The FH you were when we spoke together on the boards was so different. It was a much better way to talk, and your points were well-spoken and I respected and appreciated the discussion we had. I didn't feel threatened or grow weary of the things you had to say, and it was very easy to talk with you when we did that. I enjoyed it very much, and as you know, I'm not a biblical kind of quoting person, and you were able to meet me at my level. That worked for me, and I think maybe you are at your strength there.

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"If they shared with you, and weren't in agreement with yours, your next step would be to stomp all over theirs. I have seen that numerous times from you. Take that as judgmental...I have read it time and time again on the site."

This is why after I found this out, that there was no way to discuss any sort of subject or topic with him and when I was being beaten black and blue and nearly senseless by crappy "religious talk", someone's errant beliefs, I backed off and put **edit***on ignore. It is such a relief. Not to waste air arguing with them.

Perhaps if a person who is abusive, cannot justify verbal or physical abuse of others because of Christian beliefs, they turn to abusive behavior IN THE CHRISTIAN type realm by beating, chewing, and stabbing others with scriptures and the WAYS THEY believe which are always RIGHT.

The women on ******edit***** and of course the fellow legalistic and abusive christian, ******, get along with him. Those are the only people "lately" who get along with him. I dont know of his past posts. I am just seeing the contentious posts in the recent past before I placed him on ignore. I wish to God he would put me on ignore too but he wont. He prefers to stalk me and (I believe) insult my posts.

You try and give your e-mail to either one of them,***edit****WATCH OUT. They will first pretend to help. Then they will jump all over you, guilt you, chase you, condemn you and call you an infidel. I had to block one of them due to the "Christianity" abuse.

By the way,****edit*****at a job,,, if he has so much time to critique others all day long?

I love God and have loved him all my life. But of course I am not a Christian in thier eyes.

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We actually disagreed on religion. I'm nowhere near a legalistic Christian, and FH knows that.

In the end of our thread, he understood my position, and respected me for my views.

FWIW, there it is.

Like I said, perhaps I am unique.

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SB, I am glad he was good to you. Very glad.

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Most of you guys missed it...

FH wrote 2 long posts on one of the deleted threads the other day that I agreed with IN THEIR ENTIRETY.

I marked it down on my calendar, but then the New Year came along and I threw it in the recycle bin (they pick up 2day). <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

-ol' solong2long.
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HEY Now <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />....
....Just a minute....
how'd I Go & get on Ignore??? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

What's a top rope to DO?? <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

It weren't me. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
Honest. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

I don't email ......or otherwise Harass anybody. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />

(allegedly) <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

And I tend to keep my religious views .....pretty much out of this forum. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

So take it back, take it back. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I ain't done it .......no way no how. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
I's Innocent Boss! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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2Long,

See that's my secret belief...that you agreeing with FH tears the fabric of the space/time contium...so the threads self-combusted.

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I just 2k you off ignore.

You know? That button is pretty useless, if you read on MB like I do.

When I'm not logged in, I can of course see the posts I've put on ignore. And I like reading before logging in, because there are so many more posts per page that way.

Anyway, seein' as how I'm leaving the boards, I thought it wouldn't matter much whether I'm ignoring anybody or not.

"Basically, I'm on my way 2 Australia"

- James Garner, "Support Your Local Sheriff"

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And I like reading before logging in, because there are so many more posts per page that way.


Me 2! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Imagine that! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

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OK, even more wierdness...

I like both MEDC's and FH's posts. I mostly agree with them and I guess I wasn't really aware there was a major disagreement between the two of them?

I know that FH was one of the posters who thought MEDC and some of the rest of us were being too hard on Back/Laura_Lee... but to FH's credit when it was revealed that Back was a fraud he didn't continue to stubbornly defend her just for spite.

IMHO both MEDC and FH come across as sincere. And as far as I know they both are strongly, no excuses, opposed to adultery. (THAT is very important to me, no matter what posting style is employed.) Although their styles and opinions may differ, I do believe they are both willing to post what they truly believe, instead of being overly concerned about what people think of them.

WHAT is being said... WHO is saying it... HOW is it being said... WHY is it being said...

To some people it's really important HOW something is being said (perhaps maybe even more important than WHAT is being said?).

Others are very focused on WHO is saying it (maybe because they've made up their mind who they like/trust/respect?).

To others it is more important WHAT is being said (and they really don't care much about who says it or how they say it).

And some wonder WHY something is being said (the true motive behind it - where the person is coming from).

IMHO much of the feuding here has been about differences in which of those things are most important to each of us: not just WHAT is being said, but WHO is saying it, WHY they're saying it, and HOW they're saying it.

I don't normally comment on people's posting styles because quite frankly it doesn't really matter much to me. I have no objection to MEDC's or MEL's posts... or to FH's. HOW somebody says something is just not that important to me. And IMHO the way some posters are obsessed with trying to get others to change their posting styles, especially when the posters being 'defended' are obviously trolls, is just plain silly. There is a false presumption being made that posting style, HOW something is posted, is far more important than WHAT is being said and why it is being said. Also, because of some feuding and grudges some posters seem more concerned about WHO is saying something than WHAT they are saying.

To the posting police, who feel compelled to chastise posters to the point they even defend obvious trolls or unrepentent adulterers, please consider that not everyone has to agree with your premise that HOW something is said is more important than WHAT is being said.

I don't care as much about WHO says something as some posters here seem to. If I agree with something posted I will not hesitate to say so, and vice versa, regardless of who posted it. The whole 'sides' thing doesn't interest me much. However there are times when a poster's persistant use of troll-tactics are taken into consideration; it would be naive (or stubborn?) to keep giving the same problem-poster the benefit of the doubt once all doubt has been removed that they don't intend to behave.

Maybe we should have different message boards based on posters preferences in priorities? I would choose to post mostly on the board where WHAT is said (and sometimes WHY it's said) is the most important aspect. And I would hope to be able to do so without chastisement from those posters who are more concerned with HOW or WHO.

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