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Posted By: Llkm2 New here...... - 01/13/12 02:38 AM
I am 5 months pregnant and a little over a month ago I found out my husband and one of my friends thought it would be appropriate to sleep with each other during the month of November (they were both fully aware of my pregnancy at the time). I had just gone on a trip with her 2 weeks before she made her move on him, she knew we were stressed out and not exactly happy at the time. I feel so sad and lost and alone right now. This is going to be our forth baby together and I don't know what to do. He's very remorseful and we are in counseling. I know other people have gone through this, but I don't know anyone personally so I don't know if I'm making the right decision or how long I should expect these feelings of extreme sadness and how long these horrible thoughts and reminders are going to last.....any advice?
Posted By: Viper Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 02:50 AM
Hi Llk, and so sorry you are here, but under the circumstances, you have landed on the BEST website to get through this. I'm kind of a newbie here myself, so I'll defer to the vets to offer you advice and a plan of action, but listen to what they say, and do what they tell you to do. You will NOT regret it...I promise you this.
Posted By: nesre Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 03:35 AM
Originally Posted by Llk
I am 5 months pregnant and

a little over a month ago I found out my husband and one of my friends thought it would be appropriate to sleep with each other during the month of November (they were both fully aware of my pregnancy at the time).

I had just gone on a trip with her 2 weeks before she made her move on him, she knew we were stressed out and not exactly happy at the time.

I feel so sad and lost and alone right now.


This is going to be our forth baby together and I don't know what to do.

He's very remorseful and we are in counseling.


I know other people have gone through this, but I don't know anyone personally so I don't know if I'm making the right decision or how long I should expect these feelings of extreme sadness and how long these horrible thoughts and reminders are going to last.....any advice?


Llkm2

So sorry you are here under these circumstances. Welcome to MB's-the club no one wants to be a member of but thankful is here.

How long have you been married?

What ages are your children?

How old are you and H?

I don;t know how much reading you have done on the site but the link below presents the MB's program in a nutshell.

You probably will need to get the book Surviving An Affair by Dr. Harley. The book goes into greater detail of the dynamics of A's.

Basic Concepts


Not sure there is one stock answer for your question. The timeline depends on what your now WH is doing at this time to help you overcome the assault-He was accomplice to-on your M is doing. Actions speak loudly.

What actions is he taking at this point to help you? and your M?

Keep coming back and ask questions.

nESRE
Posted By: Llkm2 Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 04:08 AM
We have been married 11 years, I am 33, he is 34, our children are 3, 5, and 8 years old. He truly seems remorseful, I never thought he'd do this, it was just so out of character for him. Most of the time I feel very confident that this was a one time thing, but then the few moments that I am unsure are very unsettling and depressing. He has no alone time, if he leaves the house he takes one of our older children with him. I have access to all his email accounts, his phone, etc.....I am in charge of all of our finances so I know what he spends money on and when.

He cries everyday and says he will do anything not to lose us, but like I said, when I am having a moment where I am unsure as to whether or not to believe him, I really start to second guess myself. I never saw myself in this situation and sometimes the pain is so indescribable that I don't know what to do. My friends are trying to be supportive, but not having gone through this themselves their support and advice is limited. If I leave the house and feel uncomfortable with him being alone with his computer, phone, etc, he lets me take it, when he is on the computer or phone he sits next to me so I can see/hear everything he is saying. I know this isn't a healthy way to live, nor do I want to live like this. I just want my life back.

He is a completely changed person, he tells me now how much he loves me, he hugs me and actually talks to me (which he didn't seem interested in before). He shows our kids how much he loves them and he's doing everything in his power to be a better husband and father. I just wish it wasn't under these circumstances....
Posted By: Llkm2 Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 04:09 AM
Thank you so much
Posted By: maritalbliss Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 04:16 AM
Originally Posted by Llkm2
I am 5 months pregnant and a little over a month ago I found out my husband and one of my friends thought it would be appropriate to sleep with each other during the month of November (they were both fully aware of my pregnancy at the time). I had just gone on a trip with her 2 weeks before she made her move on him, she knew we were stressed out and not exactly happy at the time. I feel so sad and lost and alone right now. This is going to be our forth baby together and I don't know what to do. He's very remorseful and we are in counseling. I know other people have gone through this, but I don't know anyone personally so I don't know if I'm making the right decision or how long I should expect these feelings of extreme sadness and how long these horrible thoughts and reminders are going to last.....any advice?
Welcome to Marriage Builders, Llkm. Is your girl 'friend' married? Does her husband know what his wife did with your husband? Have you spoken with her?

Posted By: pokerface Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 04:16 AM
Hi Likm2.

I'm sorry you find yourself here. My story is similar to yours and I was able to recover my marriage using MB. It can be done. It is not an easy road, but is well worth the fight to keep your family together.

The first step is to kill the A and ensure no contact for LIFE.

Is this OW married? Do your kids play together?

How did you discover the A?

Who have you exposed the affair to?



Keep breathing.

Posted By: Llkm2 Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 04:48 AM
Originally Posted by maritalbliss
Originally Posted by Llkm2
I am 5 months pregnant and a little over a month ago I found out my husband and one of my friends thought it would be appropriate to sleep with each other during the month of November (they were both fully aware of my pregnancy at the time). I had just gone on a trip with her 2 weeks before she made her move on him, she knew we were stressed out and not exactly happy at the time. I feel so sad and lost and alone right now. This is going to be our forth baby together and I don't know what to do. He's very remorseful and we are in counseling. I know other people have gone through this, but I don't know anyone personally so I don't know if I'm making the right decision or how long I should expect these feelings of extreme sadness and how long these horrible thoughts and reminders are going to last.....any advice?
Welcome to Marriage Builders, Llkm. Is your girl 'friend' married? Does her husband know what his wife did with your husband? Have you spoken with her?

She is married, and her husband does know about the affair and he's in sort of the same place I am right now. I have not spoken with her and I really don't ever want to. I want to pretend I never even knew her, but I don't know how easy that will be...
Posted By: Llkm2 Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 04:52 AM
Originally Posted by pokerface
Hi Likm2.

I'm sorry you find yourself here. My story is similar to yours and I was able to recover my marriage using MB. It can be done. It is not an easy road, but is well worth the fight to keep your family together.

The first step is to kill the A and ensure no contact for LIFE.

Is this OW married? Do your kids play together?

He claims to hate her because she used information about our marriage to manipulate the situation and she pretended not to know anything. I hope he does hate her. I feel like there has been no contact just judging by his reaction to the affair itself and the aftermath, but I have a lot of broken trust right now so I don't know if I should go with these feelings right now. Luckily our children do not play together, but we are in an area where it is impossible to avoid each other without moving. I feel like that makes it impossible to escape the constant reminders.
How did you discover the A?

Who have you exposed the affair to?



Keep breathing.
Posted By: celticvoyager Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 05:06 AM
Originally Posted by Llkm2
I am 5 months pregnant and a little over a month ago I found out my husband and one of my friends thought it would be appropriate to sleep with each other during the month of November (they were both fully aware of my pregnancy at the time). I had just gone on a trip with her 2 weeks before she made her move on him, she knew we were stressed out and not exactly happy at the time. I feel so sad and lost and alone right now. This is going to be our forth baby together and I don't know what to do. He's very remorseful and we are in counseling. I know other people have gone through this, but I don't know anyone personally so I don't know if I'm making the right decision or how long I should expect these feelings of extreme sadness and how long these horrible thoughts and reminders are going to last.....any advice?

Llk,

Welcome to MB. I will probably jump in on other things later, but just wanted to comment on the part I put in bold...

I am betting you do and just don't know it. the sad truth is many many spouses cheat and not everyone exposes like they should. Some of these people might even be your closest friends and family.

CV
Posted By: Llkm2 Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 05:06 AM
Originally Posted by pokerface
Hi Likm2.

I'm sorry you find yourself here. My story is similar to yours and I was able to recover my marriage using MB. It can be done. It is not an easy road, but is well worth the fight to keep your family together.

The first step is to kill the A and ensure no contact for LIFE.

Is this OW married? Do your kids play together?

How did you discover the A?

Who have you exposed the affair to?



Keep breathing.

Oops sorry, I accidentally hit submit too soon.

He claims to hate her because she used information about our marriage to manipulate the situation and she pretended not to know anything. I hope he does hate her. I feel like there has been no contact just judging by his reaction to the affair itself and the aftermath, but I have a lot of broken trust right now so I don't know if I should go with these feelings right now. Luckily our children do not play together, but we are in an area where it is impossible to avoid each other without moving. I feel like that makes it impossible to escape the constant reminders.

I discovered the affair from things they both said about their meetups with both of them sort of unknowing that they were giving themselves away. I put the pieces together and confronted my husband and he admitted it pretty quickly and appears to have been honest with the details since then.

I haven't denied the affair to people that have asked. Word gets around pretty quickly here and maybe I'm bitter (or my pregnancy hormones are out of control) but I really don't feel like I have anything to hide, and even though it may not be anyone else's business, I don't feel the need to protect what they did from being judged for the disgusting action that it was.....I may regret not keeping it more under cover down the road, but right now, I guess what people think of both him and her is my last concern frown
Posted By: Llkm2 Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 05:08 AM
Originally Posted by celticvoyager
Originally Posted by Llkm2
I am 5 months pregnant and a little over a month ago I found out my husband and one of my friends thought it would be appropriate to sleep with each other during the month of November (they were both fully aware of my pregnancy at the time). I had just gone on a trip with her 2 weeks before she made her move on him, she knew we were stressed out and not exactly happy at the time. I feel so sad and lost and alone right now. This is going to be our forth baby together and I don't know what to do. He's very remorseful and we are in counseling. I know other people have gone through this, but I don't know anyone personally so I don't know if I'm making the right decision or how long I should expect these feelings of extreme sadness and how long these horrible thoughts and reminders are going to last.....any advice?

Llk,

Welcome to MB. I will probably jump in on other things later, but just wanted to comment on the part I put in bold...

I am betting you do and just don't know it. the sad truth is many many spouses cheat and not everyone exposes like they should. Some of these people might even be your closest friends and family.

CV

I would never wish this pain on anyone I know, but I would be so nice to have someone close to me understand what I am going through so I don't feel so alone frown
Posted By: celticvoyager Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 05:09 AM
Originally Posted by Llkm2
We have been married 11 years, I am 33, he is 34, our children are 3, 5, and 8 years old. He truly seems remorseful, I never thought he'd do this, it was just so out of character for him. Most of the time I feel very confident that this was a one time thing, but then the few moments that I am unsure are very unsettling and depressing. He has no alone time, if he leaves the house he takes one of our older children with him. I have access to all his email accounts, his phone, etc.....I am in charge of all of our finances so I know what he spends money on and when.

He cries everyday and says he will do anything not to lose us, but like I said, when I am having a moment where I am unsure as to whether or not to believe him, I really start to second guess myself. I never saw myself in this situation and sometimes the pain is so indescribable that I don't know what to do. My friends are trying to be supportive, but not having gone through this themselves their support and advice is limited. If I leave the house and feel uncomfortable with him being alone with his computer, phone, etc, he lets me take it, when he is on the computer or phone he sits next to me so I can see/hear everything he is saying. I know this isn't a healthy way to live, nor do I want to live like this. I just want my life back.

He is a completely changed person, he tells me now how much he loves me, he hugs me and actually talks to me (which he didn't seem interested in before). He shows our kids how much he loves them and he's doing everything in his power to be a better husband and father. I just wish it wasn't under these circumstances....

Your feelings are normal and you will be on a bit of a roller coaster ride for some time. It normally takes about 2 years to fully recover and can take up to 5 years in some cases.

How much has your husband confessed to you? The first thing you are going to have to do is expose the affair and have him write a no contact letter. This will help ensure that they will not try and reconnect again.
Posted By: celticvoyager Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 05:13 AM
Originally Posted by Llkm2
I would never wish this pain on anyone I know, but I would be so nice to have someone close to me understand what I am going through so I don't feel so alone frown

I know it is not the same as having someone there in your living room with you, but the good folks on this board are here for you and almost all of us have been through this. You are NOT alone.
Posted By: Llkm2 Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 05:17 AM
Thank you very much CV!

Our counselor did suggest he write a letter that I approved of and send it to her, but then I was scared she would think I forced him to write the letter, or that she would take it as he's still thinking about her, and both of those thoughts scared me. But maybe I would feel more closure if we did this.
Posted By: nesre Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 05:36 AM
Originally Posted by Llkm2
Originally Posted by celticvoyager
Originally Posted by Llkm2
I am 5 months pregnant and a little over a month ago I found out my husband and one of my friends thought it would be appropriate to sleep with each other during the month of November (they were both fully aware of my pregnancy at the time). I had just gone on a trip with her 2 weeks before she made her move on him, she knew we were stressed out and not exactly happy at the time. I feel so sad and lost and alone right now. This is going to be our forth baby together and I don't know what to do. He's very remorseful and we are in counseling. I know other people have gone through this, but I don't know anyone personally so I don't know if I'm making the right decision or how long I should expect these feelings of extreme sadness and how long these horrible thoughts and reminders are going to last.....any advice?

Llk,

Welcome to MB. I will probably jump in on other things later, but just wanted to comment on the part I put in bold...

I am betting you do and just don't know it. the sad truth is many many spouses cheat and not everyone exposes like they should. Some of these people might even be your closest friends and family.

CV

I would never wish this pain on anyone I know, but I would be so nice to have someone close to me understand what I am going through so I don't feel so alone frown




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I would never wish this pain on anyone I know, but I would be so nice to have someone close to me understand what I am going through so I don't feel so alone



This article may help you with this statement above.


When Should an Affair
Be Exposed?
by Willard F. Harley, Jr., Ph.D.



The issue of exposure comes up when a betrayed spouse has first learned about the affair. Should it be exposed to others, or kept secret? I generally recommend exposure. When should it be exposed? I usually recommend that it be exposed immediately. To whom should it be exposed? I recommend that family, friends, children, clergy, and especially, the lover's spouse be informed. Exposure in the workplace depends on several factors.
There are many reasons for these recommendations, but the primary reason is based on my belief that the more people know about what I do in my most private moments, the safer I am to others.
Infidelity is one of the most painful experiences one spouse can inflict on the other, and it's far less likely to take place, or continue to take place, when everyone knows about it.

Imagine how little crime would be committed if everyone's activities were videotaped. Several weeks ago, a street fight in Minneapolis resulted in the death of a teenager. A gang of over 20 men were involved in his death. But it all happened in front of a host of surveillance cameras. The men involved in this murder will be arrested, tried, and sentenced. Minneapolis used to be called Murderapolis because of its extremely high murder rate. No more. The murder rate is now one of the lowest for a big city because people have traded in their privacy for security. People are now safer because they're willing to have their activities recorded.

Another, almost equally important reason for exposure is that it usually provides support for the betrayed spouse at a time that their whole world is falling apart. When family, friends, clergy, and even children know what's happening to the betrayed spouse they can provide considerable emotional support when it's needed most.
But there are exceptions to exposure. Once in a while I dont recommend it. So the following is my definitive explanation and defense of this very controversial policy.

Whenever a betrayed spouse tells me that they've just discovered their spouses affair, my advice is almost always the same: Let others know about it. Tell your children, family, friends, clergy, and especially the lovers spouse, if they have one. And this is even to be done during what I call plan A (making an effort to make as many Love Bank deposits, and as few withdrawals as possible).

The problem some people have with that strategy is that it conflicts with the goal of plan A because it's likely to cause massive Love Bank withdrawals. An unfaithful spouse almost always considers such exposure to be a worse act of betrayal than their affair itself. But the alternative, helping the unfaithful spouse to keep the affair a secret, is enabling the addiction, prolonging the agony. In the long run, making the affair public knowledge without any forewarning, threats, or bartering (which by themselves can create massive withdrawals) actually reduces the number of Love Bank withdrawals made by the betrayed spouse.

It's my opinion that the advantages of immediate exposure usually far outweigh the disadvantages. But are there exceptions to my recommendation of the immediate exposure of an affair? Absolutely! Let me give you a few examples of situations where I would not suggest immediately exposing an affair.

A physically violent unfaithful spouse

In every instance of physical violence in marriage, I have recommend separation along with a restraining order to prevent any contact between spouses. No one who has followed my advice under my direct supervision has ever experienced injury in the 35 years of my counseling tens of thousands of couples. And I have counseled some of the most violent spouses.

If a wife tells me that her husband has a history of physical violence toward her, and she's discovered his affair, I suggest that she make immediate plans for a complete separation. Generally, I refer her to a shelter for abused women. After the separation is complete, and she is safe, I recommend exposure of the affair. Plan A is ruled out, and plan B is followed (no contact between spouses). Contact is restored only after the violent husband has enrolled in an anger management program, has no contact with the lover, and is willing to begin a program of marital reconciliation.

Uncertainty regarding the affair Many of the cases I've witnessed involve suspected affairs with no firm proof. In those situations, I do not recommend exposure. Instead of immediate exposure, I suggest gathering evidence that would convince a jury that an affair has taken place. In some cases I suggest hiring an investigator to gather that evidence. Once there is certainty regarding the affair, I then recommend immediate exposure.

Affairs are not usually difficult to prove. That's because the affair is an addiction, and addicts are notoriously sloppy in covering their tracks. They also become progressively sloppy as the affair develops. They try to hide it, and are reasonably successful early in a relationship. But eventually they leave text messages, email, and telephone records in plain sight for anyone to observe. If a suspecting spouse is patient, it doesn't take too long or require too much effort, to prove that an affair is taking place.

On the other hand, a diligent hunt for evidence may prove that the spouse hasn't been unfaithful after all. One of the best ways to learn to trust a spouse is to investigate and then find that the spouse has been trustworthy.

Those who guard their privacy in marriage, claiming that a spouse has no right to passwords, internet viewing history, email records, cell phone records, credit card accounts, and other sources of evidence, are more likely to have affairs. Privacy between spouses should never be tolerated for a host of reasons. But one of the most important reasons is that privacy, and the secret second life that it helps create, breeds infidelity. Transparency, on the other hand, where almost everything spouses do are known to each other, is one of the most important safeguards.

Economic considerations

A divorce, and even separation, can have dire economic consequences for a betrayed spouse. Many wives of cheating husbands that I've counseled are economically dependent on him. If she exposes the affair, she fears that he will leave her, creating financial hardship. So in those cases, before exposing the affair, I generally encourage her to plan for that possibility.

Women's shelters usually offer both legal and financial advice for women who find themselves dependent on irresponsible men. Temporary aid from government, religious, and other charitable agencies can provide a safety net for those women. While exposure usually causes the affair to end, these betrayed women can expose his affair with less fear when they know that separation will not leave them destitute.

When there is an affair in the workplace, my general advice is that the unfaithful spouse must quit the job and find another to avoid ever seeing or talking to the lover again. But while the affair is taking place and the unfaithful spouse is unwilling to resign, should a betrayed spouse expose the affair to the employer?

While I unhesitatingly recommend exposing the affair to friends, family, clergy, children, and the lover's spouse, I'm not so quick to suggest exposing it to an employer. That's because such an exposure could have unintended legal and economic consequences. For example, the affair might constitute grounds for a sexual harassment claim by the unfaithful spouse's lover. Or, it might trigger an outright firing of the spouse, making it far more difficult to find another job. So my advice whether or not to expose to an employer is usually made on a case-by-case basis.

Other issues

Many betrayed spouses are afraid that exposure will drive the unfaithful spouse further away. While it's true that unfaithful spouses usually feel betrayed and angry when their affair is exposed, I regard that reaction as being part of the fog that most addicts experience. When the fog has finally lifted, and the source of addiction no longer has control, the value of exposure is usually conceded by the addict himself.

Some feel that an affair should not be exposed to children. Granted, I would not tell a 3-year old about an affair, simply because a child that young cannot possibly understand what it means. But I would not hesitate to reveal an affair to a child 7 years or older. Exposure to those between those ages should be a matter of discretion.

What about exposure of an affair that took place years earlier and is now ended but recently revealed? I feel that the children, close relatives, close friends, and the lovers spouse should be informed. Granted, it's embarrassing to admit an affair, but publicly admitting failure is usually the first step toward redemption.

As you probably already know, I'm a strong advocate of honesty and openness in marriage. I call it transparency -- letting your spouse know everything about you, especially your faults. But should that level of openness carry into the public arena? I believe that it should in cases of extreme irresponsibility, and that certainly includes infidelity. When you have done something very hurtful to someone else, others should know about it. Such exposure helps prevent a recurrence of the offense. Your closest friends and relatives will be keeping an eye on you -- holding you accountable.

If exposure of an affair threatens the marriage, should the risk be taken? I regard infidelity as a violation of the most basic condition of marriage. In most wedding vows, "forsaking all others" is usually the only definitive promise that's made. When you marry, the overriding condition that is mutually accepted is that you won't have an affair. When that condition is broken, the marriage is threatened at its very core. That's why I believe that spouses who have recovered after an affair should make new vows to each other, in effect reestablishing their marriage.

So when a betrayed spouse asks for my advice, I usually take the position that infidelity is the greatest betrayal of all. After an affair, trust, which is an essential ingredient in marriage, is dashed. If the unfaithful spouse is offended by being exposed, so be it. Exposure is very likely to end the affair, lifting the fog that has overcome the unfaithful spouse, helping him or her become truly repentant and willing to put energy and effort into a full marital recovery.

In my experience with thousands of couples who struggle with the fallout of infidelity, exposure has been the single most important first step toward recovery. It not only helps end the affair, but it also provides support to the betrayed spouse, giving him or her stamina to hold out for ultimate marital recovery.
Posted By: celticvoyager Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 05:46 AM
Originally Posted by Llkm2
Thank you very much CV!

Our counselor did suggest he write a letter that I approved of and send it to her, but then I was scared she would think I forced him to write the letter, or that she would take it as he's still thinking about her, and both of those thoughts scared me. But maybe I would feel more closure if we did this.

There is SOOO much more closure with a letter! Who cares what she thinks? She was skanky enough to sleep with another woman's husband. If your husband is on board with the letter (and if he's as remorseful as you say, he will be), then what you have is knowledge. knowledge that he's 100% on board with you.

CV
Posted By: Jedi_Knight Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 05:54 AM
"He claims to hate her because she used information about our marriage to manipulate the situation and she pretended not to know anything. I hope he does hate her."

---when your husband says the ow manipulated him into getting naked, how much did she manipulate? Did she use a magic Brain Control Machine or mind control drugs? He chose to have sex with her and break his marriage vows.

Regarding the No Contact letter, you need to require him to write it and then you mail it Certified Mail. Also, USE THE NO CONTACT LETTER FROM MARRIAGE BUILDERS. Do not let him write her a letter without being told how to write it (otherwise he will write a love letter like my wife did to her affair partner).

Also, GET TESTED FOR STD. YOU CANNOT TRUST YOUR HUSBAND HE MAY HAVE HAD SEX WITH HER OR OTHER WOMEN BEFORE ; require him to get tested and show you results

Also, hang in there. Try to eat, pray, love, sleep. You are a beautiful person, tell yourself that in the mirror. You are NOT responsible for your husbands destructive choices.
Posted By: nesre Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 06:08 AM
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[quote=HDW

Regarding the No Contact letter, you need to require him to write it and then you mail it Certified Mail. Also, USE THE NO CONTACT LETTER FROM MARRIAGE BUILDERS. Do not let him write her a letter without being told how to write it (otherwise he will write a love letter like my wife did to her affair partner).



NC letter samples
Posted By: Scotland Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 01:14 PM
Welcome Llkm2. Sorry you are here.

If you click on the link for Newly Betrayed in my siggy, you will find a thread that will help guide you through the website.

Who have you exposed the affair to? Is there ANY chance that you or your WH will see OW again? There needs to be NC for LIFE. That includes you and your WH.

Posted By: maritalbliss Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 01:28 PM
Originally Posted by Llkm2
Thank you very much CV!

Our counselor did suggest he write a letter that I approved of and send it to her, but then I was scared she would think I forced him to write the letter, or that she would take it as he's still thinking about her, and both of those thoughts scared me. But maybe I would feel more closure if we did this.
WHAT??? A counselor who may actually know what they're doing???? faint

You're lucky, Ll, because that rarely happens. Counselors are usually idiots, and yours still may turn out to be an idiot, but suggesting an NC letter is fantastic of him! hurray

Have him write the letter. You approve it and YOU mail it, or the two of you mail it together. Who cares what that skanky OW thinks? The point of the exercise is for your WH to do this as an act of consideration to you and a declaration of safety for you. Yes, the NC letter would help you feel some closure.

Here's the thing, though: just writing that letter is not enough. He also needs to talk to skanky's husband, the other victim of your WH's selfishness. And he needs to talk to your family members so that everyone in your life understands what YOU are going through. You've already mentioned your isolation - CV is right when he says that other people you know have surely gone through this. Adultery is like molestation - it's the big family secret. But the good news is that it doesn't have to be that way. It is healing and empowering to let your world know what has happened to you, and that you and your H are recovering.

One of the benefits of disclosing the A is so that you can get the 'real time' support you need. I mean, we're good, don't get me wrong grin - but it's valuable to have a supportive family member or friend who is a phone call away. The other benefit is that it enables a lot of people to keep an eye on your H - this will help keep him accountable. Their disapproval of your H's actions will encourage him to live in such a way as to earn back their respect.

My H's lifelong friend (the best man in our wedding) hit the roof when my H told him about the A. It really humbled my husband. His condemnation of the A was great for us. It showed a lot of support for our marriage and really hit home for my H.
Posted By: celticvoyager Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 02:13 PM
Originally Posted by nesre
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[quote=HDW

Regarding the No Contact letter, you need to require him to write it and then you mail it Certified Mail. Also, USE THE NO CONTACT LETTER FROM MARRIAGE BUILDERS. Do not let him write her a letter without being told how to write it (otherwise he will write a love letter like my wife did to her affair partner).

NC letter samples
I would like to reemphasize this. my wife's NC letter was (and we did not know about MB at the time) fairly good and met about 80% of the MB substance, but I wanted all kinds of other things in there and "beefed the letter". My advice... Don't do it, just stick to the letter template.

CV
Posted By: MelodyLane Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 02:33 PM
Originally Posted by Llkm2
If I leave the house and feel uncomfortable with him being alone with his computer, phone, etc, he lets me take it, when he is on the computer or phone he sits next to me so I can see/hear everything he is saying. I know this isn't a healthy way to live, nor do I want to live like this. I just want my life back.

Ll, I just wanted to assure you that this is a very healthy way to live. Removing his methods of contact with the OW are the equivalent of keeping the alcoholic out of the bar. An alcoholic who is serious about staying sober will not mind staying out of the bar. The way you recover a marriage is you remove the conditions that faciliated the affair. For example, if he conducted his affair on the computer, then he should agree to never be on the computer without you, etc, etc.

Affair proofing your marriage is very healthy. Blind trust is very unhealthy and leads to affairs.

Have you PERSONALLY spoken to the OW's husband? Are you certain he knows about the affair?
Posted By: pokerface Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 02:51 PM


NC for LIFE includes your entire family...you and kids also. Otherwise, every time you run into OW you will be triggered. It also gives the opportunity for the A to pick up again. Sometimes years later.

I know your WH is stating that he hates her, but he didn't hate her in Nov.

Is NC possible in your current situation?
Posted By: MelodyLane Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 04:45 PM
His alleged feelings of "hate" are meaningless and will not protect your marriage. Only extraordinary precautions will do that. Alcoholics "hate" booze the morning after a bad drunk, but the sting of the last drunk wears off soon enough. It is the same with affairs, his hard feelings will fade into the background.
Posted By: Llkm2 Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 08:42 PM
Thank you all so much for your advice and support, I already feel so much less alone than I did even last night. I feel like after a month I am still in the exact same spot as I was the night I found out. I think you guys may be right about the letter, I do need a sense of closure on that end to even be able to begin to process the feelings of what has occurred!

I am hoping what he says is true, but I have such a hard time trusting him right now (clearly). I just want to be able to look into the future and see that everything will feel ok again someday.....

My husband has told his family and I have informed most of our friends mostly for support, and as for others, I just don't feel like hiding it from them if they are brave enough to ask. I guess I want him to feel embarrassed and judged.

I have personally spoken with the other husband, and unfortunately for him, he didn't provide me with any new details but I seemed to have filled him in on about 90% of the details of the affair. I felt awful seeing the look on his face learning that his wife was still lying as he is a friend too.
Posted By: KayC Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 09:13 PM
You can get through this with a recovered marriage if the two of you follow through on what the vets here tell you to do and with haste. Those that argue for a month before following through actually delay recovery and cause themselves more distress. It sounds like your intuitions are good. Start with the NC letter...have him model the one on MB and post it for the vets here to check out before you send it.

You said it's hard to avoid her in your neighborhood...it's imperative that there is NO CONTACT for LIFE, that may require moving if that's what it takes. You're not going to want your kids in the same school, church, etc. And I want to clarify that none of you work at the same place either. As for their being friends...that's past tense. You will need to do a FULL exposure right away, that means your family, his family, friends, and even your kids. Kids don't need to know over-information but maybe can understand something like this: "Daddy spent time with another woman the way he's only supposed to with Mommy, so now we must make sure they are never together again to protect our marriage and family." If you haven't already, expose to her FBF, messaging one minute apart, and then block her from your FB, husband should have her blocked already. Change email addresses, phone numbers, any other way she can contact either of you. It's important to go completely dark on her. Be wary of any "mutual" friends. If there are any, explain you do not want to hear about her and you do not want anything repeated to her. I would not personally want to keep anyone as a friend that continued a friendship with her not only for moral reasons but to ensure there was nothing being revealed about you and your family to her.
Posted By: Llkm2 Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 09:29 PM
Originally Posted by kaycstamper
You can get through this with a recovered marriage if the two of you follow through on what the vets here tell you to do and with haste. Those that argue for a month before following through actually delay recovery and cause themselves more distress. It sounds like your intuitions are good. Start with the NC letter...have him model the one on MB and post it for the vets here to check out before you send it.

You said it's hard to avoid her in your neighborhood...it's imperative that there is NO CONTACT for LIFE, that may require moving if that's what it takes. You're not going to want your kids in the same school, church, etc. And I want to clarify that none of you work at the same place either. As for their being friends...that's past tense. You will need to do a FULL exposure right away, that means your family, his family, friends, and even your kids. Kids don't need to know over-information but maybe can understand something like this: "Daddy spent time with another woman the way he's only supposed to with Mommy, so now we must make sure they are never together again to protect our marriage and family." If you haven't already, expose to her FBF, messaging one minute apart, and then block her from your FB, husband should have her blocked already. Change email addresses, phone numbers, any other way she can contact either of you. It's important to go completely dark on her. Be wary of any "mutual" friends. If there are any, explain you do not want to hear about her and you do not want anything repeated to her. I would not personally want to keep anyone as a friend that continued a friendship with her not only for moral reasons but to ensure there was nothing being revealed about you and your family to her.

We have no mutual friends, the ones we did have no longer wish to be her friend. Unfortunately our kids are in the same school, so moving is something we are looking at. I have been pretty mean for the past month and my husband has been nothing but kind and supportive (as he should have always been). Se hasn't shown up in public yet because she knows so many people know and dislike her, and that gives me some sick sense of satisfaction. I was hoping that she would move but her husband says he doesn't think they can get out of their house financially so I guess that means we have to look at leaving, which makes me sad because I have so many good friends around here that are so supportive and helping me as much as they can, I'm scared that by leaving then ill feel even more alone and I won't have that "in person" support which has helped me through some of my hardest moments....
Posted By: tee_ivy Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 09:29 PM
Originally Posted by Llkm2
I guess I want him to feel embarrassed and judged.

Amen to that sister. That is exactly how I felt with the exposure to my own WH.
Posted By: pokerface Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 09:31 PM
Originally Posted by Llkm2
I feel like after a month I am still in the exact same spot as I was the night I found out.

Llkm2. I think you are still feeling the same way because although time has passed...nothing has really been done to make you feel safe or affair proof your marriage going forward.

Also, never knowing if you will run into OW when you step out and/or actually running into her must also be a huge weight on your shoulders.

This is no way to recover.

The first step is NC for LIFE. This means moving if necessary.
Posted By: pokerface Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 09:36 PM

Your WH can EARN back your trust by setting up EP (extra ordinary precaustions.)

NC for life

Complete transparency...computer, phones, etc.

No opposite sex friendships.

No nights apart from you.

Commitment to MB which will teach you both how to rebuild the romantic love.


Posted By: pokerface Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 09:44 PM
Originally Posted by Llkm2
so I guess that means we have to look at leaving, which makes me sad because I have so many good friends around here that are so supportive and helping me as much as they can, I'm scared that by leaving then ill feel even more alone and I won't have that "in person" support which has helped me through some of my hardest moments....

I understand how hard the prospect of moving is. I had to do it myself. But that was when I "truly" began to recover...when I freed myself and my family from the daily reminders of OW that came from living in the same circle as her. Don't disregard the importance of this step.

I'm sorry you are in this position. Read all you can on this site. MB saved my M and my family.
Posted By: Llkm2 Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 10:02 PM
Thank you very much pokerface. It's comforting to hear that these things have been successful for others.....it gives me hope
Posted By: pokerface Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 10:10 PM
I think you have a very good chance at recovering!

Posted By: KayC Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 10:17 PM
I think so too!
Posted By: pokerface Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 11:10 PM

MB only works as a whole. You cannot pick and chose parts that are convenient.

I am going to link an article for you. It is long but well worth the time:

Four Rules to Guide
Marital Recovery After an Affair
Posted By: Llkm2 Re: New here...... - 01/13/12 11:20 PM
Thank you guys!

I will check out the article right now
Posted By: GloveOil Re: New here...... - 01/14/12 12:45 AM
"Surviving An Affair" -- the book that our counselor put me & my wife onto, that may well have saved our marriage after my affair.

Get it & give it to your husband, Llkm2. And read it yourself. Or better yet, read it together & discuss. Do the worksheets & questionnaires together.

It will help him put his conduct into an appropriate mental context, and can help you both understand much about where to go from here, all in one place, so that your marriage is not merely returned to the state it was before his affair, but better than before (which needs to be your goal).
Posted By: KayC Re: New here...... - 01/14/12 01:55 AM
That's an EXCELLENT book, I've recommended it to so many people who've been through this. It's comes across non-judgemental so many WWs are receptive to it, and it just tells you what needs to be done.
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