Blindside and AA,

Agree with you,I won't fall for it.I of course was put in a very awkward possition,and told my mom to keep her Mouth shut.
If he moves out of state so be it,fox and the scorpian story was very helpful I just need to keep READING IT over and over.

He told me in the past that he had car insurance,but yesterday.He told me he was driving both cars without car insurance,and I noticed also he switches the plate back and forth on the cars.
I wonder if I could call the police and let them know,he might get a ticket or sent off to jail!
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> I'm awful..LOL..

I had chinese tonight( but that's not the point <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> ). When I got to the fortune cookie, it read:

"Your friends ask you for your time not your money."

The litmus test for this might be to suggest counseling only and see if he gets angry(may sure other people are near). But, honestly, I think it is WAY PAST that point;I read some stuff from your other posts-WOW!! <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />

Maybe the best thing for him would be to move in with his 'rents. They can get a dose of this insane behaviour. Maybe they will set him straight, some day.

If you could keep me and my boy in your prayers.DEC 11th we have a 3hour Assessment Interview about parenting time with STBXH.
He's trying to get the standard everyother weekend.And I'm fighting it hoping he'll continue to get supervised visitation with my parents present.Please pray for favor in the assessment,since he's abusive/and does drugs.My son needs his dad but his dad needs help as well

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> The past couple of weeks WS,has been trying everything in his power to contact me Leaving voice messages on my cell phone,even in letters.Each letter/and voice mail ranges from nice to flat out evilness.
I haven't responded to any of them . One letter he says he doesn't want things this way,he would rather be with me.If I can't bring him back to how we were once In Love then he wants nothing to do with me.The person he once knew wouldn't have left him in *his* finacial mess.
He wanted me and his son out he would yell that in front of our family/friends.The bills are his in his name,i'm taking care of my own.In the court paperwork,he is responsible for the bills he's asking me to pay.
Since I make more money then him he thinks it's inhumane of me to leave him in that mess.

The VM says I know you still Love me,but I think you can't get over me because you can't get over yourself! Since you didn't listen to me before I divorced you(thats the fog we are not yet divorced)!!
I don't care what you think my penis is doing,if you don't pay 400 a month.I'm going to go bankrupt and then the landlord will go after you.Plus are credit will be all messed up,i'm looking to the future here.I see you going down a bad path,and just like before your not listening to me.
Now it's... you should pay the 400,no matter what.I can't promise i'll give up Ow.When before he was saying he would if I payed the 400.
He also said if you want us to ever work then you need to be lovable.And the actions in court,and you being stuborn show me you don't know what LOVE IS !

That Boggles my mind,I know Love doesn't suck the life out of people and leave them.I stood by him for so long..how can he doubt my Love(now dwindling)!!
He'll leave a message like "everytime you eat think of me and how I have nothing".

Yesterday,he was suppost to come for a visit with son,called said he had to work all day long..and plus he was not feeling well.

He will maybe come once a week to see his son for 30 min.
So a friend of mine and me went past our old place,one of the OW was at our old place.
They were inside and no one noticed us drive by.She was there all day into the evening when they left together to go to her place to sleep.
They didn't notice we fallowed them a mile away.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />
MY MOUTH DROPPED TO THE FLOOR,SHE LIVED AT THE SAME APARTMENT BUILDING WE FIRST LIVED IN WHEN WE GOT MARRIED!!!!
We had so many good memories there,and he now is staying in the same place...What trying to recreate them!?
He's still seeing BOTH ow,at least I know were they live for future referance..if WS gets our son everyother weekend he's not to have him around them until divorce is final.

He's yelling on the voice mails and he seems very angry..says life has sh*t on him,and how could I do this if I really loved him.

Wow, no replies to this one yet. I'll offer my take.

The best thing you could do for him would be to let him bottom out without taking you with. If there is one thing I have learned so far, it's that, given time, nothing is certain. He may change, he may not. He most certainly will not change if you remain together at this point in time.

Whether that means a D is not my place to say. Sounds like you are doing the right thing(NC) for you.

He called again today left another message,saying the landlord has found someone to rent the place.
And he has to be out by this Sunday!!
He also said he had no idea where he would be moving.He didn't know when he would be able to pop by and see our son.He said thanx for making me homeless,and for showing how much he ment to me,by allowing this to happen to him.Now he's having to move on Thanksgiving.Bye

That was it,he sounded like he was in Panic mode.How could he not know where he's moving in by the weekend!?

This will be interesting...i'll update when i know more.

Thanx Luki,he's either moven out of state w/parents,or into Any of the OW places/I hope he hits bottom soon!!!
I will not give him any money he hates me because of it.

Bump~

I haven't gotten my quota in for the day so I offer another thought. This may sound a bit out there but here goes:

As a way to protect yourself from his thoughtless actions maybe you should have someone else listen to all the messages he leaves. They could tell you when a voice mail is worth listening to( eg. visitaion arrangements or medical emergency-let's hope not). I would also stop checking on him, i.e. driving by his place(may not have to do that anyway soon).

I don't mean to be critical. Just some ideas that will help you take care of you. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Hang in there.

BBMBF

Sounds like you are staying on the right track, as difficult as it may be at times to do so. I'm glad that you recognize all his B.S. for what it really is. He is trying to play every single angle he can to finally get to you and it's not working. He flips from sugary sweet to bitterly vile as he continues to go "crazy" in his attempts to bail himself of this mess he created. Yes, he truly needs to completely bottom-out. Do not even give it a second thought as to whether he will be truly "homeless" or not. I doubt that he will be, especially since he is still seeing 2 other women, I am sure that he will have a place to sleep at night. He still doesn't want to own the problem. He wants to continuously blame you for his worsening situation and everything that has happened. He made a big "pile" and now has to sit in it. You have removed yourself from the filth and the stench of his immature and ill-tempered bad manners and behaviors. Keep your contact to a bare "essentials only" minimum. Any non-business related contact will be seen by him as his chance to get his foot back in the door, or will at the very least give him an opportunity to create more pain and suffering for you and your son, so continue your strong course of action. You are doing so remarkably well. I'm proud of you! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> God Bless.

He stopped by today for 10 min,to drop off two boxes.He was very brief,he didn't have time to stay and see our son.He had his works van,told me the place is empty.He gave alot of our stuff to good will.And the rest of it is at his aunts and friends houses.The boxes were all his pictures even childhood pics and baby toys of when he was a baby.He told me to save them for our son.
He looked good but he hasn't shaved and thats wierd for him! He made a comment before he left "If you really loved me why would you be doing this to me!?" and " I think the amount of child support is too much,If I have to fire my attorney and get a new one I will."
I'm living were ever I can live right now,and shortly i'll have my own place.I'll probly have to grab another job too.
He left I started crying,he was gone and didn't see this. I feel like i'm in this VERY BAD dream..it also doesn't help my uncle just found out he has lung cancer,and there giving him a year to live.
Other then that were hanging in here <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />
I'll write more later,sons crying.