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Anyone see the show today (monday 11/25?) It was on flirting and where to draw the line. Very, very interesting. Boy, did I recognize a *lot.*
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Darn, I wish I had seen it! Can you give a brief summary, or a definition of "the line"?
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What did he say about flirting? Sure wish I had seen the show. People have such different ideas as to what is and what is not flirting. I started a thread just to see what other people think. I would love to know what DR. Phil said. Can you fill us in?
What did you decide to do about antidepressants?
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First guest was a re-appearance by the appropriately named "Heather," <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> who just loves to flirt outrageously with men but CAN'T UNDERSTAND why women don't like her! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
Next was a woman who, with a few girlfriends, loves to play the "Kissing Banditry" game. They go out at night cruising bars and restaurants with scorecards, and get so many points for kissing certain kinds of men -- tall, bald, celebrity, politician, young, old, etc. Don't know whether they get extra points for married men. They think this is wonderful good clean fun and if the men's wives/girlfriends are offended, well, they obviously just don't understand having fun.
Then there was a very sad and angry-looking married woman who related how a mutual friend of her and her H's had been behaving like this around him -- touching him, laughing with him, going off alone with him for lunch, bending over in front of him (!!!!!!!!!!!!!) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> and sending him vulgar, sexual greeting cards. The H and this "friend" insisted this was all harmless fun. They ended up having sex.
(This especially infuriates me because I have seen ALL of those things aimed straight at my H and to this day he insists this was all normal business behavior and he had NO IDEA these women were flirting with him. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> )
Next was a very beautiful and narcissistic woman who bragged how she could get any man she wanted, or anything she wanted (drinks, dinners, trips, etc.) through her skill at flirting. Also bragged about how other women should keep their men away from her because she was irresistible!
Last was a married man who sat on stage beside his wife and insisted there was nothing wrong with stunts like his being in a restaurant with his wife and then lifting a female friend to his shoulders and carrying her back and forth to the bathroom. Or falling into a pool holding on to some other woman. He insisted that he was "married, not dead," and that "flirting" only meant "grabbing private parts, and stuff like that." Phil gently informed him that everyone else calls stuff like that "having sex."
When this guy's wife told him to his face how hurtful and disrespectful this behavior is, and Phil told him he was risking his marriage for it, he just moped and sulked and said, "Well, since I do want to stay married, I guess I'll just have to be dead." The audience booed, but it was clear that the idiot just didn't get it and probably never would.
In short, it was a stage full of people whose only boundary is actual full-contact sex. Anything else is perfectly fine with them. It's all just harmless fun for everyone.
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My favorite part <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> was the woman in the audience who couldn't understand why men wanted to scr*w her when all she was doing was flirting with them! HELLO!?! Didn't seem to get that those were the signals she was sending out and men were reading the signals correctly. Amazing how 'cause and effect' can elude people.
IMHO, people like that need to wear a 'Stupid' sign so we can see them coming and get out of their way.
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AND...
They dressed in ways that was sending a clear cut message...
COME AND GET IT!
I don't buy the "it's comfortable" comment. It is never comfortable when you are the verge of a breast falling out...or all your business being exposed because of a short skirt. But then again, I don't think it would have mattered to them. They could have been stark naked and then wondered what the problem was.
As Always, JMHO committed
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It was an interesting show. I can totally picture the married man who didn't think he was doing anything wrong swearing up and down to his wife someday that it wasn't an affair because it was only oral, he never told her he loved her, they only did it standing up.... And the girl who doesn't understand why women don't like her. The answer was simple. Any woman wit half a brain could be around her for 30 seconds and realize she's one of those backstabbing hos who hits on everyone's boyfriend/spouse. Once you hit a certain stage in life almost everyone has known at least one woman like that, and can recognize the next one a mile away.
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