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#1077972 06/18/03 07:41 AM
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I need (or want) to hear from BSs of habitaul offenders. My H has had 4 affairs in the past almost 3 years that I know about. From what I can deduce, he has had the problem for a very long time. That is an addiction, no ifs ands or buts. I have so many questions and need to feel strength and wisdom to continue the rocky journey I am on with my H, whom I love dearly. I am doing pretty good at not feeling sorry for my self as I have recognized that this can not be taken personally by me, it has absolutley nothing to do with me. My poor H is sick and needs help but can only benifit from it if he himself walks out of the fog and admits that he has a BIG problem. Ohyes, I do recognize my responsibility to the situation.
The baby is awake and I need to go.
Please, any input from anybody, no matter your perspective.

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I completely understand how you feel. Here is a little of my story
Married 1/93 after living together for 3 years
Husband had an A with OW moved in with her
Divorced 1/95
Remarried 3/97
Internet cheating 4/97
Husband continued contact same OW divorce over 4/00 separated 2 weeks
Husband continued contact same OW 6/01 separated 2 months
Husband continued contact same OW 9/01 separated 4 months and I filed for Divorce
Husband sends NC email to OW and cc's ALL our friends and family.
1 year of weekly counseling
He continues to lie
I file for divorce AGAIN 10/02 Final AGAIN 12/02

EVERY time he begged and cried for me to take him back and swore I was the only one.

I think you have a good picture of his problem. My thing is I had to realize the loving him is letting him reap the natural consequences of his actions. If it rains on dirt - the natural consequence is the dirt turns to mud. But me as a BS I would lay in the dirt and try and stop the natural consequences and then the mud was all over me. Loving him is letting him go. I totally love and forgive my ex but I am no longer willing to allow that chaos to effect my life. People think Love and forgiveness = reconciliation but that is not always the case. Its a LOT like a physically abused spouse - people always wonder why they stay and get beat time and time again - I can relate.

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oooo luvNprotect, please tell me that there can be a happy ending with my H and I together? Please?
heavy sigh
i don't know, why is it so hard to have high morals and to stick by promises and yet they can just blow it off to do what ever strikes their fancy just because they want to? sometimes, but very very briefly, i wonder what it would be like to just do what i want, so what?, i i i i i want to have it all. but then i remember the promise i made to the marriage, to my H, to my self, to God.

so sad
but was prescribed happy pills today! WaHoo!!!!!

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2ndfiddle, I think the key in relationships like this is acceptance. With some folks adultery is just a way of life and when you choose to stay with him, you need to accept that and live with it. I don't think its realistic at all to believe that you can magically change him.

I think the marriages that are recoverable are the ones where the WS committed adultery as an aberration of behavior. An aberration can be dealt with. It doesn't sound like adultery is an aberration at all with your spouse, but rather a way of life. I also don't believe adultery is a "sickness" but a character issue that is chosen. This is how your spouse chooses to live.

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oooo Melody, i need a hug. I never wanted to go thro this ever again. I want him to snap right now and see the light. I know that i can not change him, and no, I can not live like this. I wish I wish that I did not love this man.
The happy pills can kick in anyminute now cause I am going to cry.
I gotta look up ABERRATION> that is a term that i do not know.
CRAP!!!!!!!
say a prayer for us, i am sooooo sad

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Good Post MelodyLane

2nd, I would want you to define happy. If happy is him seeing the error of his ways and he is faithful for the rest of your life than that "might" not be realistic. What is he willing to do to help you feel safe in your relationship? I heard of a program we didn't try that is supposed to be real good called "New Warrior" - look it up on the internet for more info. Apparantly if the guy attends and doesn't participate he will not be able to stay. That would've been our next step had I not just been tooooooo done with it all. I hope my ex realizes what he is doing to himself with all the lies and deceit but at this point even if he does, I don't want to do it anymore. 13 years - I'm done. I want him to be happy. I want whats best for him but that situation was not good for any of us (me, him or the kids).

I'm glad your on meds - it will help you think more clearly.

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The happy pills usually take a week to start working - for me it made me feel worse for 2 weeks then they kicked in and I felt much better.

I'm sorry your here. It is truly a horrible place to be that none of us asked for but honestly, it really is a place where I revisit sometimes (this forum board) because I miss it - the healing, the recovery, the innocence.

I hate to rain on your parade but it is important that you have ALL the facts to make an informed decision. For me the lies and deciet were the worst part. Visit here to get a view how the other half lives and have a realistic view of what REALLY is going on: OW Forum

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Happy would be the look of lost pain and sadness gone from his face. He looks so tortured a good eal of the time. Mostly for him, i want the happiness, and for us. either it is killing him slowly or he is so in denial that......
I have done happy pills before, always as last resort and they are never quick enough and the world never looks rosy enough.
I am scared to visit the OW forum but will be brave.
Can i take a break from this marriage for a day or two? Gawd am I tired. I gotta remember how to ask the Big Guy (God) fro strength and wisdom, I need to feel worthy of that again.
I don't want to do this again.
My x had a real prob, it took me well over 10 yrs to even concider marriage again. I didn't need it, i wanted it and the picture H painted was rather nice. Not too good to be true, just realistic. Gawd, is he good.
I wonder why i smike too much? Hmmm....

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ok
here is to long and short of it
for the fear of sounding like a sniveling whining you-asked-it BS, I KNOW!!!!
hind sight is 20-20
this has been a nightmarish blur, so please forgive me for blurry details

had been engaged to alcholic who would not stop affair with an old flame. I wasn't going to live like that so I moved out to live with good friend just gone thru h**lish divorce. No contact with him since.

good friend divorced after 10 yrs, horrible affair. she was a hurting puppy. I was very strong at this time and together, we worked on her not having to bee so dependant on men.

she has amazing beautiful guy friend she wants to intro me to. I am heavy smoker and he hates smokers, no biggy, i can deal w/o relationship for rest of life.
O by the way, he is the xH of OW who broke up good friends marriage. they have been crying buddies, drinking buddies, raised each other's children etc.

ardonis persues me, and persues me and "hey I am a smoker", and persues me, very charming, very christian, very gentleman, <phew>

We go out on date, very low key, I quit smoking on the spot. Haven't met kids, oh well

ardonis non-committal even to dating, i am fine with that, i have been to h**l and back. Meet kids, they are a mess. ardonis's wife abandoned them for looser. but kids a re sweet and not total loss

he persues and woos and charms. friend pushes us together. we put off sex for two reasons, too soon for me and he wants to be sure first, sex before marriage ? nags him.

we are exclusive, and he becomes elussive. friend pushes us, he seems hurt by my friends going on w/ life and not including him.

I ask friend if she and ardonis ever slept together because he sure seems the part of the scorned lover. she just giggles and says she can't say. I ask him, and very defensivie no. He lied

several weeks later, he just can't be without me, we fall into bed, i am bragging on him. oh my. all goes great. we fall in love.

all great for a while longer then he starts getting really weird about my good friend's life going on without him and his X. I pull back eventually

musta been the first time cause i was preg. waited several weeks to make sure because i was premenapausal and could have been that. I had used contraceptive devise and it failed. comes back very pos. sit on it. decide to tell cause I ain't aborting! I explain that I do not need relationship or marriage, i do very well on own, thankyou. but i would like to marry him. he suggests abortion, i go balistic, oops.he wants to be just friends. I don't know what else happened here but something about him leading me on and saying he loved me and no sex til absolute sure and no sex unless marriage huge concideration. but i could not play the "just friends" game with him and live in same town, would have to move far away.

lemme see. estranged for while, i am depressed how could a man be so cold and irresponsible and so christain? but know how to do single parent thing real well so..

my older kids coming to visit soon, i am showing and can hide it no longer, need to decide what to do. ardonis and I are kinda reconciled. he goes to airport w/ me to meet them. our kids hit it off immediately. we all spend time together. my kids and I go with my parents on camping trip. ardonis visits us and begs me to marry him. when he saw me with kids, he just knew it was right. we are married almost immediately cause we wanted my kids there too. all beautiful despite hurried preps.

so..... happily ever after?

about 1 wk into marriage began to get really ugly.
my kids still visiting and i find H on couch, DRUNK, head in hands muttering, what the h**l have i done. okay?

it gets worse.

I gently address scene. and he lets it out. he never loved me and feels like i trapped him. Excuse me? I remind that i did not need but wanted.

ok lets back track a bit

when we pulled back long ago, i later found out that he and his X had been talking about getting back together. oooooo ouch. and still really wierd about my friend.

sex life no longer to brag about, non existant. H acts as though he is disgusted by me. he is very supportive and loving in public but at home, withdrawn and edge of mean. very secretive, talks about his X and my friend too much. I point out, he can't understand, very defensive.

getting harder and harder for me to keep cool, he will not discuss issues, stonewalls, ignores, fog and smoke, pouts, with holds sex. accuses me of hating his children and treating them unfairly, looks into my being mentally unstable. I am going insane. but in public, i am the trophy wife and all admire us. habitually, i become assertive and cry alot. we both work full time, me an hour away, no help with housework, cannot remove H from infront of tv. neglected, rejected, i cry even more. "must be the hormones"

he is (or was) a runner and another good friend of mine was his running partner. every week end, nine miles. the runs are taking longer and longer. Oh we were just talking and forgot the time. I always made breakfast for return, immedeatly to the table for gatorade and carbs. shower after. eventually, runs up to 3 and 4 hours long. hmmmm. then one day, home from run rather tweeked, immediately to shower without so much of a hello. hmmm.... mad 'cause breakfast already on table. wha? She, by the way, does hair, cakes on makeup before nine mile run and he puts on cologne. but, it's 6am and you are going to be sweating profusely.

first good friend still good friend and I cry on her shoulder alot. she is still in man bashing mode and wants lots of company with it. She is still hearing from her X, he is persistant, he wants her back, his life with my H's X is h**l. just wait til spring just wait til spring and Friends X will be free. My H's X under impression my H and she will be getting back together after baby born 'cause then my H will see it's not his baby. Gosh, then it was immaculate conception 'cause I hadn't had sex prior to my H for many months. I think I am going to fall apart. H NOT supportive or available. talks to his X on phone endlessly and won't stop. Talks to both my good friends on phone endlessly and won't stop. 'we are just freinds'. Gosh, then how do they know more than I have told them about our relationship, i had actually stopped talking to both friends about marriage 'cause they weren't helping but hurting and blaming me for all mess.

why does H have viagra hidden in bathroom cupboard? prescript date befroe we met. H claimed me 1st relationship, only 5 out of 36 doses left, we've only had sex about 1o times in that time. hmmm... 5+10=? 36-15=? 'scuse me? what gives. oh yah, viagra found with pack of technocolored comdoms. hello

Baby time!!!!! I will be at home mom, despite objections of 'good friends'. they are becoming rather annoying and judgemental. Hey, baby looks just like my H when he was born. H's X starts to fall further apart. My 1st good firend's X won't beable to get rid of my h's X. bummer.

things get better for long time. H love baby boy to death. I am good mother after all. Hmmmm....

H still silent and willnot discuss even the slightest issue, I didn't know he didn't like chicken, too afraid of confrontation to tell me. says I will fall apart if he tells me. thanx.

hey friend #2 movong far far, bummer. H not too happy, i secretly am. he pretty much stopped running at that point.
gotta go for now, beautiful bay not happy.

please input, and i know, i should have seen it coming.


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