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I guess it only stands to reason.. but I just read on the glory board that several OPs cite MB as helping their EMRs (extra marital relationships) grow strong -- which when look more deeply at it means by default the primary M grows weaker -- OR both BS and OP are using the same ammo with WS in the middle.

oyvey -- makes my head hurt.

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We have a couple of OPs right here on GQ (Difficult decisions and need help by mllc) who are trying to figure out whether they can be together and have that succesful "MB" marriage.

There is also an OW who responded to Suzet's post who claims her boyfriend's WS fog is legitimate truth and is now planning on marrying the guy. They too would like to have a lovely "MB" marriage. Not too sure if he's divorced yet, actually. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Totally creepy.

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yeah, I have heard that there are BS here on MB that look at MB as a dating service ... or they find through their pain someone who they connect and have feelings for (one of the reasons MBR has such tight rules and why I was very careful during those days).

Creepy, but kind of stands to reason .. they also want to have the best relationship possible -- and if nothing else ... know what your enemy knows -- isn't that Sun Tzu's "The Art of War?"

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Not surprised. Even the Mafia believes in "family" and is concerned about others, as long as they get their needs met first. But trust based on openness and honesty? Ya, right.
More like destroy other families to "protect" their right to "have it their way."

Thieves of a feather flock together and like to try to don "respectable camoflage." Pick and choose the principles they want, but don't embrace the total package.

Seems reasonable.

Did'ja really expect "better" from fogland?

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lol -- gee your talking to me after our argument on MBR <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> ... no I didn't expect anything different .. I just thought it interesting ... and something for BS to know and think about.

It also reinforces my list of what books I'm giving to my kids when they marry.

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I guess when you swim in the sewers long enough, you get the urge to see how it is in fresh, clean water. No matter what you call it, it still stinks.

I find it best to stay away from that web-site. It just is a bunch of jibberish from really, really sad people.

Imagine how pathetic your life would be to spend it on empty relationships, to be used in the most personal way, and trying desperately to find justification. They're not fooling anyone but themselves. A waste of precious time and energy. They're destroying themselves and in the process destroying innocents as well.

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What argument????

I thought we were having a good, rational, discussion of opposing viewpoints.

I mean, c'mon, just because I'm right and you're not in Colorado anymore... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

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FH - lol! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> ... I thought it was rational, nice and fun too btw .... and I'll let the "right" comment go. . . lol <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Although we could take up another round on MBR soon.

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Cool!

But I am right and you are left....or so it seemed 'cause you can't get more left than John "Lefty" Kerry....so far left of Teddy that I'd swear Teddy was going to switch parties! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

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Now see I wasn't going to mention party stuff here -- you're evil . . . you know they'll lynch me here on MB -- LOL == besides I was left of center when I lived in Colorado!

Yes I know .. did you know there is a phobia and help for people who fear left turns .. you may need help immediately, before it becomes a condition, you may need medication too! ... lol <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by way2:
<strong> I guess it only stands to reason.. but I just read on the glory board that several OPs cite MB as helping their EMRs (extra marital relationships) grow strong -- which when look more deeply at it means by default the primary M grows weaker -- OR both BS and OP are using the same ammo with WS in the middle.

oyvey -- makes my head hurt.

way2 </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">In all honesty, it isnt't that MUCH different from your situation way2...if I remember correctly. Or might I have you confused with another poster? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

You were the OW...now married to the MM...and you are here...trying to keep your marriage to your H (who has had affairs during YOUR marriage)intact...using the MB principles.

What about it makes your head hurt?

Just call me "flammable". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

<donning asbestos suit>

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Just call me "flammable". </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">No, I'll just call you "ill informed"

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> In all honesty, it isnt't that MUCH different from your situation way2...if I remember correctly. Or might I have you confused with another poster? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I was not the OW nor was my H the MM ... so yes you do have me confused with someone else.

Yes I thought about my situation where my xh was an abusive person (near killed me) and I eventually had what many would say was an EA with Myad before leaving xh.... and even when thinking about that .. I still posted ...

For I also know that I *did everything* I could to save a marriage including years of IC and MC -- that his violence would not abate, it was actually becoming worse, that he refused to continue IC (at that point I knew my life would be over soon) -- and that I suffered abused wives syndrome, which made it very hard if not impossible to leave -- and without Myad I may not have.

Doubt me? Ever thought about why, when they so clearly had a greater population and could easily overwhelm the overseer and slave masters, Africans didn't rise up and slay those who oppressed, beat, abused and humiliated them?

A couple of shovels could have easily taken care of an overseer, then they could get his gun and proceed with more liberation -- it's because they were a people broken by abuse, physical, mental, and sexual, that escape for most seemed nigh impossible.

Yes there was Nat Turner, and Harriet Tubman, etc. ... but they were the exception not the rule.

So no, I was NOT the OW .. but thank you for thinking of me.

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No, I'll just call you "ill informed"

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="images/icons/blush.gif" />

I thought it was you that had posted on another thread.... started by Lost in Pain and provided a link to your story. I was thinking that I read that your marriage came about after an "exit affair".

Oh well...some of the names here are so close that it's easy to get confused.

Pardon the confusion...

shall I edit?

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No don't edit .. others may have been confused ...

I think *if* I used the term "exit affair" -- it's becuase others were using it applying to the situtation.

I did recently post a link on a thread about my WW story 14 years ago (Myad and I were married) -- so that may have also contributed to the confusion.

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FH -- when are we going to continue our "debate" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">FH -- when are we going to continue our "debate" </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Oh! Oh! Oh! ....much later! I am basking in the sanity that will be here for several days...the Republican National Convention! Finally! Sanity finally gets a few days in the sun. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

...btw...I think Laura Bush is much easier to look at than "Tootsie".....now where did I put that bottle of ketchup? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

Gas grilling anyone? (inside joke for the MBR crowd that might still be lurking about MB). <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

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I'm tooo much of a lady to tell you what I really think of those remarks ... plus you, all the other bushies and the rest of the RNC deserve to have your vacation in "Never Never Land" ... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Have fun!

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Thanks Way2!

I'm really going to enjoy basking in the light of truth instead of the fog of "John-John land"!

"It's the lying and deception and utter disregard for the welfare of the family (America)" that I hope will begin to "crack" as the light of truth and true concern for the safety and well-being of Americans is seen through the "exposure" of the "Kerry affair". No, not perfect, are the Republicans. But they stand for what they believe in and for the truth. They are not above saying "I'm sorry" when appropriate and starting again to work on making things better.

So, yes, "never never land" was Cambodia, Christmas 1968. And many other things. But it's not in the RNC. Exposure. Light of truth. Enduring the painful shouts of "blaming you" from those lost in the fog. Mentally and emotionally, I'll be there with President Bush and entourage as they fight to "form a more perfect union." They are WORKING at it. It has not been accomplished. But they ARE faithful to all who have put their trust in President Bush as the "head of our household of America."

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see I'm being nice, there are soooo many things I could say .

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