Today WW calls at 10;30 am from across the street from where she lives...she said CALL ME ON MY CELL PHONE IN A HOUR.... An hour later I call her omn her cell and I asked about pics for school for meagan..Asked about what she said about hearing to OM's mom the lies....and some other stuff....well I asked her for her 2-way # for cell phone she said I am not giving that out...I said I already have it...she said how did u get it ...I said I got it....she was pissed.....well we ended the phone call....15 minutes later I get a 2-way from someone and I say hello....not thinking it would be her ( I gave her my 2-way the other day and told her it was my sons.)..( same # but last digit is different) she called it sunday and I did not answer it and saved it to my phone...dirty trick)well She called my sons name and I said no frank......she said you pysco basterd....and hung up........I called her and told her I must have given her the wrong one and she called me a psyco again and told me that she is never going to call me again and that I messed up big time.......she is changing the 3's and thayt was it....I called back 15 minutes later and told her I said "WW ( upset voice)Do me a favor and never call me again I do not want to hear your voice or see you ever again leave me the F%^%& alone and hung up that was about 12:15 pm...........about and hour later WW calls again and starts to appoligize for being mean and I cut her off and told her remember I am psyco leave me alone and hung up.........earlier I asked her if I could take Meagan to High school foot ball game ( it is her night and she said to call her later)Before all this went down.....well at 4:06 I call Meagan to say hi after school and asked D if I could take her and D said yes but I have to get her at 4:30 at wal-mart parking lot....30 minutes away...I said yes ...D said bring Clarinet along so she can practice...Well when I got there I stsarted to give Clarint to WW and she said keep until I drop D off...( WW got her hair cut short...Looks good)She said she has no time to talk and pulls off....I said to D whats that about...she said I can't say I said whats she got an interview for a job and D said how do you know.....Well D said I am not alowed to tell you but she is going to Mcdonalds for the job interview........Female friend of OM is manager there an OM had sex with her 4 months before WW left me with that Women...she will be flipping burgers now....That wont last long OM will get jealous of her meeting other men......Well WW told OM that Meagan had music lessons tonight and that she had to pick up D at 7-11 at nine oclock LIES LIES LIES....

<small>[ September 21, 2004, 08:32 PM: Message edited by: frankd ]</small>

Frank...I'm not being stupid asking this ( I hope) but is your WW mentally stable ? Ok we only get your side of the story, but your posts display a catalogue of frankly crazy behaviour from your WW.

Seems way worse than Fog. mebbe she has an imbalance or something ?

All blessings Frank. Yours is a hard gig, friend.

Her mother is bi polar and chemical imblance...I never thought she was but I am starting to wonder

Frank -

This is why Plan B is imperative in your situation. Can you think about moving the date up?

Try to detach for a bit, leave a good taste in both your mouths regarding each other, and then Plan B. The relationship between the two of you is slipping into toxic, and that is bad.

I must have left a good taste in her mouth yesterday because she called me to day and we talked for 25 minutes. She called my mother just before she called me and they talked.....I told WW that I was not out to hurt her and that I do not want anything in return...She told me that she wants to be friends and she does not want OM to know that we are talking.....I told her that I don't want him to know either......She is afraid that when OM gets her cell phone bill that he will find out we are talking...We talked about Meagans attitude lately..getting smart with me and her .....I told WW that I told Meagan that I did not ask for this to happen and that I am not her friend that I am her father....Stop getting smart with daddy......well WW said you sound like you told Meagan that is all my fought...I told WW that I told Meagan that it was both our foughts and that WW would have never left if I would have treated her right......( Letting WW know that it took two) WW was real nice...I told WW that I do enjoy hearing from her... just like when I here from my 21 yr old son 3 times aday on his two way cell.......well it ended good and WW never took up for OM once which is rare.......I told WW that OM's Mother is a two face back stabbing *****...and she agreed.......just likes stirring trouble......WW told me that she does not want to hear me say that I love her...I told WW that I do care for her and that is fine...I told WW "you care for me don't you"and she said as far as for meagan yes...I said that is how I feel....I told WW I don't want to see you hurt....I said I want to protect you and she said I don't want your protection and I said not in that way....I said your feelings....well I have been telling WW that if she wants to talk with out getting cault she should 2-way me when OM ain't around....It's free and does not show up on bill......I told her I called Nextel to find out....She is now scared because the bill will show all in and out phone calls it will cost her 15cent for each text message she gets but will not show who sent it and 2-way is free all day long and does not show who did whayt but I can't call her 2-way because if he is there he will hear....I told her that I do not plan on calling her but if she 2-ways me I will talk to her.....meagan called me after school and We started to two way each other...I made sure that I told meagan about the ghost walk in Gettysburg this weekend and how our friends and family are all going I even named all the people, one being my sister that was WW best friend before D-day and sis does not speak to WW no more... I wanted WW to hear that we are having fun without her...

Frank...

She told me that she wants to be friends and she does not want OM to know that we are talking.....I told her that I don't want him to know either......She is afraid that when OM gets her cell phone bill that he will find out we are talking...

you need to be wary of the bigger picture here...and you need to take the consistant light house stand...

that you and your wife must must must for MEAGANS sake keep the lines of communication open...

you should tell your wife how concerned it makes you that she is living with a man that she is afraid to have find out she is speaking to the father of their child..

that as a friend to your wife you find this very alarming....and worry about her safety....

you need to consistantly remind your wife that no matter where you two end up in this mess that SHE needs to be safe enough in a relationship that she can always communicate to the father of her child....

you need to tell her that as your wifes' friend she needs to make sure that whatever partner she chooses, that partner must never ever come between her and her daughter Or the other parent of that child...

your wife is living under intimadation and fear...
you need to be steady and steadfast in dealing with her...

keep stressing that you hope she is safe....

I have been to the Gettysburg ghost walk...on a halloween night...
had a blast...if I were to ever have a new nick..
It would be JennyWade....the only non-millitary person killed in that battle...shot in the kitchen on main street baking bread for the troops....
very scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

ARK

I live not 12 miles north of Gettysburg...We have been up here for 15 years from baltimore....If you have a gettysburg address you get in alot of the attractions for free.......I was just two waying meagan on WW cell phone...WW would not talk I asked her if she got my text message and Meagan said that she will not open it...I said how do you know what it said if ya dont open it.....I told WW that I will give her $20.00 towards her phone bill and to keep the $24.00 she owed me for the pictures for meagan......I told her that she could tell OM it was my son texing her.......It is like WW is telling D what to say.....But not talking...I told her you can talk WW I will not bite you....I said you can't possess what you do not have....I am not trying to be possesive.........I just want to talk.....she acts as if she talks to me she is cheating on OM....I think she wants to but is affraid maybe I am wrong.....Maybe I am being possessive.....

What a great deal your WW has (being sarcastic here). She can call you anytime she wants for companionship, while living and sleeping with the OM. You need to go dark, except when it comes to matters concerning your daughter. It is time for Plan-B big time!!! You are helping to prolong your WW's affair as long as you continue to meet the emotional needs that the OM fails to meet. When you go dark, and she finds out that the OM is not prince charming, you stand the best chance of getting her back. Why do you keep seeking advice here and then not follow it a great deal of the time?

Frank,

Here are some of the babble I believe your W is giving you - and my thoughts:

1. fear of the OM finding out - let the OM find out. Call her bluff. Just do so in a way that keeps your D safe. You won't be able to keep the WS safe but that's not your responsibility.

2. the WS talking with you - she knows that if she appears a bit agreeable, you will pull down your walls. Learn to keep up your defenses and only pull down your defenses in a limited sense. She will see that you are not able t/b manipulated and will stop those incessant attempts to hurt you. There is some sort of sick joy the WS gets from seeing a Bs in pain.

There is more but I think you get the point. Now my question to you is:

How much longer are you going to allow her to use you and your daughter this way?

L.

Did talk to ww today on her 2 way.....this morning we were talking about 17 yr old sons senior pics.....she was sapose to take him to....she had to work at mcdonalds.....we ended coversation........I text her at 12:00 pm she called me back at 2:00 and asked what it said. she deleted it with out reading it..I told her she should have read it....I told her it said : I hope I find some one in the future like you because you are one in a million......She 2-way back and said thank you......I told her that I am scared for her because she has to lie to Om.about us talking.......I told her it is her choice but I amworried that she has to lie....told her that I will talk to her later and to have Meagan two way me ......On the way to the car wash OM's Land lord pulled behind me and told me alot of stuff...OM thinks WW is messing with landlord...and is very jealous of her I asked Landlord if he thinks WW is going to marry OM and he said hell no.....She is trying to get out of that affair now.....but still has fellings for OM....but she is getting tired of OM.....