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Bob,

Can you help me with my plan A please

Plan A .. Will this work for me if I cannot get contact with my WW?

(a)She is separated from me and living with OM and my children in Milton Keynes (UK).

(b)She stipulated on initial divorce papers.. No Contact and has stuck to her guns.. stubborn!!

(c) She has gone full throttle into divorce proceedings and has starved me from my children for 7 months. She is using them as pawns to gain wins!

(d)Lime many of us ; I have mad many mistakes ..contrary to the 180 degree turnaround .. your WW rules ..

(i) Acted needy
(ii)Acted with anger,
(iii) Ran after her

etc..

(e) I have reacted with negative emotions.

Can you give me an example of a plan A to follow.

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Hay Caren,

A geordie is a ''North-Eastern'' person from the UK. We are on scottish borders.. mainly of Scotch/Irish hard working folk. Catherine Cookson is a good example .. if you read?

I am begining to think that my Plan A is either lousy or I never done one.. because I cannot get contact. My wife will not give me the opportunity of any contact .. because she is pushing for contact cenre visitation .. 2hours/2 weeks.. heartless b..ch and OM is obviously scared off me! This was done via mediation .. she has since cancelled further sessions and contact and I am yet to hear about the lousy 2 hours .. that was agreed also! To date .. no contact!

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Miguel,

I just have to sit here and laugh...And not at you but at the simple fact that not to long ago these same wonderful people now giving you advice were telling me the same things they are telling you, And I was so much like you, Desperate and scared..

But..... The the day came where this little lite came on inside my head and BOOM... I worked My Plan A... Became a better me and Now 3 months later my WW is now a FWW and we have a joint thread on here we use together, But we have are own private threads we respect and do not read.

So do as these wonderful people are suggesting...Read up on Plan A..Be the best YOU, you can be.

Your getting wonderful advice, Don't waste it, use it..

You'll do just fine..

All WS's want a divorce, Don't love you, Hate you, No Contact, OM is my soul mate, He knows me, He loves me, I love him...


Take all those things she say's and smile at her and say " I understand ..and walk away..

Make yourself so great she will wonder what she ever saw in OM...

Me and FWW have a great chance at recovery and so will you if you do what they tell you to do now wait and do it later...

Good Luck Miguel

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Ok..MsChluter .. what is the secret.

Can this be considered a Plan A

My Plan A
1.Do an Anger Management course and start attending yoga classes to heal my self.
2.Send picture cards to my son & daughter; once a week .. telling them how much I love them.
3.Send a mothers day card to my wife.
4.Send red roses to my wife.
5.Make a change in my career. Study Law and exit corporate politics. and Industry.
6. Push to try and gain contact with children.. my main and only Focus for now!!

Any other suggestions .. from people on Killer actions that will help?

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Miguel:


First I think it's awesome on how quickly you got back and responded.

I wish I could tell you what a great Plan A is but I can't. Everyone has there own Plan A that they can work. I don't think changing jobs will help your situation unless your Job has been an issue with your WW. I will try to break down your Plan A from what you are writing, Once again I don't know your whole story and I wish I did.


</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">My Plan A
1.Do an Anger Management course and start attending yoga classes to heal my self.
2.Send picture cards to my son & daughter; once a week .. telling them how much I love them.
3.Send a mothers day card to my wife.
4.Send red roses to my wife.
5.Make a change in my career. Study Law and exit corporate politics. and Industry.
6. Push to try and gain contact with children.. my main and only Focus for now!!
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I will Answer these in order of how you answered them ok..


1)Excellent Idea.. If you have an anger issue then address it and there is nothing wrong with taking a nice Yoga class and finding the inner beauty in you.

2) Again an Excellent idea. But do not involve them in your Marriage issues, do not make them choose a side. Leave this between your ww and you and an IC or MC.

3) You can do this but I do not agree with it. I did not send my FWW any cards, but again not to say it won't help you some. Do what you think will work, this is your Plan A

4) Not a good idea... Maybe stop and pick up a nice bunch of everyday flowers and place them on the middle of the table and when your ww asks who the flowers are for, then tell her they are for her and that you got them because there beauty reminded you of her, AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.

5) I would only make the career change if it was something that has been a sore spot for you and your ww. For all you know the OM could be some rocket scientist or some guy that plays trumpet for change outside of supermarkets..

6) Great idea....Do not lose contact with the children.


Miguel,

You sound like you Love your wife very much, but right now as sad as it may sound, She is not the woman you married, an Affiar changes how they look and see things, every move you make is being watched and studies to see if it is a for now thing or a permenant thing.

Please read more about Plan A...

And could you please give me a little background on your Situation..It would help all of us better help you..

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Hi Mig

You need to do some studying mate. 'Plan A' is the least instinctive, bravest thing you can possibly do. Also, I am not sure how effective a plan A can be when you have no contact with your W AND everyone who the affair can be exposed to presumably already knows as she's living with OM.

I would seriously suggest some marriage counselling to help you through this. Relate are useless in my experience, but they may be a good place to start for you. Also possibly marriagecare which is a pro-M counselling service.

You can schedule phone counselling with the Harleys or Penny Tupy in the states too, but its not cheap. They might help customise a response for you.

I truly believe my situation would have become JUST like yours if I had not buster their affair as son as I did. My Squid was infatuated with OM and had planned to take my kids to meet him the Sunday after I busted them.

In case it helps, heres a description of Plan A I post to new folks.

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One big thing to realise is that short of locking up your WW, you cannot actually STOP her from continuing the affair BUT the affair is likely to end soon anyway.

If you DID lock her up this would certainly only temporarily halt the affair until you let her go.

Plan A is the most counter-intuitive behaviour on the planet but it has been proven to work in thousands of relationships over the years the Harleys have been counselling.

Look here http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi8113_ab.html
for a summary of plan A , then search on this forum for posts by Ark, Worthatry and other wise heads that explain far better than I can about Plan A.

If all this sounds 'not enough' remember it took a while for your M to hit a spot where an affair happened, you will not fix it by Saturday night.

The GOOD news is you can start Plan A'ing right away !

Be calm, and try to choke down the panic and hurt you feel. Then say to your WW something like this I told my FWW :

" I want very much to work on our marriage, as I recognise that although I'm not responsible for your infidelity, I played a part in the state of our marriage.

However before we can work on our marriage, the affair must end and you must never gain have contact with the man.

When you see him or contact him you knowingly twist a knife in my heart AND you deliberately prevent work on our M recovery from beginning.

I will not physically stop you from continuing the affair, because I love you and would not have you SHACKLED to our marriage, but instead staying within by choice. Just know that you are deeply and deliberatly hurting and humiliating someone who loves you very much by contacting the OM."

Then, whatever her response, hunker down to making your home and your life a welcoming place for her to return to.

STUDY, do not just read the case studies on here. I will include a post of my own regarding plan A here to start you off.

All blessings to you, and know you CAN RESCUE your marriage using MB !


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* Your instinct as a BS is to be angry, indignant, sad, fearful, reactionary etc and no-one could blame you. However actions supporting these emotions will REINFORCE the fantasy in your WS warped mind that you are a worse bet as a life partner than the OP and that the A was justified.

* You may feel 'better' by venting, doing the vengeance dance etc, but this will almost certainly fatally break your relationship.

* Plan A is a carefully calculated response to the fact of an affair that recognises the strengths and weaknesses of the BS position at this time, and who wants to save their M. It is NOT instinctive, in fact it is counter-intuitive, but it works if adhered to. To use MaddyKs analogy :scratching poison ivy rash feels SO GOOD but causes nothing but grief. Instinct does not always help in complex situations.

* FACT a BS cannot directly stop an affair unless they kill or kidnap one or both infidels, and thats not usually recommended by MC

* FACT NEITHER is a BS as helpless as they think they are, and has an armoury of weapons to use. Plan A bundles these for use in a proven strategy.

* Plan A recognises the uncomfortable reality that although the BS is IN NO WAY responsible for the A and that an A is NEVER JUSTIFIED or OK the BS HAS contributed to the marital environment being ripe for an A. This is a major thing to choke down for most BS ( it was for me!) , but its also a major enabler to recovery. Once you know what broke in YOU you can start fixing it.

* Using tools such as exposure the affairs bindings can be exposed to the light. Typically A's only make sense in a by-the-hour highway motel for two hours at a time when only the lying infidels listen to each others fog drivel and 'lets pretend' sex. Exposure to OPs significant other, and carefully targeted family and friends and colleagues forces this shaky, sex-justfying bag of fluff to the scrutiny of the real world. In MOST cases, the bindings disappear like vampires in the sun leaving the infidels 'love affair' looking like the tawdry, cowardly alternative to fixing a flagging marriage that it truly is.
And YES exposing is counter intuitive too, but it WORKS !! see now ?

* So when the A is exposed as a shabby thing, Plan A also makes sure that you, the BS have ALREADY and PROACTIVELY recognised the failings in your behaviour and demeanour that led to the marriage flagging and made a start at fixing them. You have also patently disarmed your WS by not being violent, disrespectful, unforgiving nor any of the other things that they expected and FEARED you would be. In fact you raised your game SIGNIFICANTLY as spouse material and they begin to notice it, really.

* WSs fear that with the death of the A, they have no safe place to go, not the OP and certainly not home to face the judgment and wrath of the BS they have hurt do much....except the BS has done everything possible to provide a place of calm safety for the WS to return to. My own FWW thought it was a trick! She couldn't believe the loving and non-hudgmental "nest" I'd made for her when she felt she deserved it so little...through Plan A I'm a better Dad than I've been in years, a better listener and more thoughtful of my FWWs needs. Plus MUCH slimmer, fitter and more buff ( GgrrrrOOOWWWLLLLL ! )

* SOME A's bindings are stronger than others and SOME WSs find it harder than others to return home, so plan A may not always work at killing the A and providing a sanctuary for the WS to recover in. Thats when plan B kicks in. Plan B REMOVES the sanctuary , love , forgiveness and support so carefully built and demonstrated in PLAN A from the WS. You do a good plan A and you will be REALLY missed, while OM looks everyday more like the unreliable, lying betrayers they always are.

* See how it works ? By choosing to lay down your righteous indignation in plan A you are in NO WAY a doormat any more than spying for the Allies made brave intelligence folks in WW2 Nazis. You are bravely and deliberately overruling your primal instinct in support of the marriage God gave you and you gave to God and each other.

* STUDY(not just read) SAA, HN/HN , this site, the old heads stories and become aware of the dynamics of affairs. Deconstruct your own situation and apply the principles to it. Knowledge is power. Understand that affairs are JUST LIKE medical conditions, the symptoms, prognosis and cure are all utterly predictable in most cases. Your sitch feels unique BUT IT AIN'T ! THIS STUFF HAS WORKED FOR THOUSANDS OF COUPLES IN EXACTLY YOUR SITCH !

* Finally I have said before that Plan A is a heroes gig and I still think so. For a 'silverback' like me the easy way is to go crashing around hitting people , suing people and making lives bad. Instinct isn't bravery.

Bravery is doing what is needed, however uncomfortable, frightening and counter-instuitive to rebuild a stable loving platform for all involved in the mess of an affair.

Even if Plan A and Plan B doesn't recover your M , it will leave you a much more "examined" person able to move on in life and not repeat the errors that contributed to the problems in the M.


I hope I have helped explain my take on Plan A. And to close, Plan A has worked UP THE WAZOO for us so far so I'm not talking theory.

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Miguel,

Here's my 2 cents. I know I haven't posted to you so for what it is worth, here goes. Before you can implement any of the good suggestions to help your M, you need to help yourself.

Here's the list:

1. Your mind and heart are not in sync. That is why it is hard to deal with your WS. Get your mind and heart in sync. How? Pray for a clear mind, a calm heart and lots of patience. Read some of the MB books and others. Surviving an affair, His Needs/Her Needs (both by Dr. W. Harley), in your case Love must be tough by Dr James Dobson w/b good also. Read these books.

2. Identify your personal boundaries. What you decide s/b acceptable in your family and what is not. Implement these boundaries. It w/b wise to pass this through a good MC. Steve or Jennifer @ MB w/b great coachs to help you come up with a plan.

3. If you need to get AD's see your doctor.

4. Keep posting.

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Miguel, when you say you have been starved of your children for 7 months, have you been able to see them at all? You said you need an 'anger management' course. Does your WW deem you a threat to her and the children?

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Just went back and read your history. I guess that answers my previous post. TT

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Guys,

I am lost and see no way out! How can a Plan A work!!

The hard facts are:-

1. She told me of the affair and that she was leaving for a new life. I did not find out and was not fully aware. I challenged her and asked if she had an affair 2 months previously .. she replied No .. so I trusted her!

2.I don't know if a Plan A will work.She is living with OM and with my kids and people are aware. I made people aware within 1st week of her telling me... A Plan A tool!

3.She brought this man into our home and let him take a shower whilst I was there. I had no idea that she was having an affair with this b...[censored].
She done this as I needed a hand erecting outside shed ..but my freinds were busy.. so she suggested him.. a work colleague .. I did not know what was going on.

4.She exposed my children to this man on more than one occasion. I got a call whilst she was preagnant that she had been told to rush to hospital by doctor .. to check heart beat of baby.She called me and I said that I will be there in 1Hr ..(Travelling Distance) and then thought .. No grab a cab ..as I was scared for her and the baby.On the same day .. she had arranged for me to collect her mother from Airport.
In the end; I went to collect her mother from Airport and she called me to let me know that the OM had given her a lift to the Hospital? I was furious with her .. but as she was preagnant.. I bit my toungue.
She also had my 5 year old son with her ..exposing my son again to this man.

6.She continued with this affair whilst she was preagnant.

7. The newborn child may infact be his child and not mine. Maybe 20 days after birthg.. that was enough time to do a paternity test and take her decision .. I am working on finding out ..without her knowledge or consent at present.

8.The affair may have been going on for 2 years ..she may have been leading a double life. Why ..? she initially told me she did not love me in Aug 2002, then again in Aug 2003 and finally in Aug 2004 .. The explosion. Problem was that everytime I challenged her .. she would go silent and not provide any further information.. I did not mean it mig etc..wopuld be her words.

9. This guy renewed his wedding vows in church to his wife in July 2003. My wife was invited as were other colleagues. I accompanied her together with our son and spent the day at their house.. I recollect his wife saying to me that there is a group of them at work and they are as thick as thieves !!

10.This guy got his wife preagnant and she lost the baby at 20 weeks.This was the 2nd time it had happened to her .. Feb 2004 Lost baby

11.I attended the scan for the baby in Jan 2004 and OM and his wife were there. They had an appointment at the same hospital and clinic 20 minutes before us?? This all appears cloack and dagger now in hindsight.

12. On attending mediation session with my WW; she said that you can only see daughter (Now 7 months) .. last seen at 20 days .. if you will love her as much as your son?? Funny thing to say to me.

13.My wife has made allegations that I am uncaring and volatile. She petitioned divorce saying that I was violent etc.. all lies. and leverage to win a case.


14. This OM nearly resulted in my wife loosing her job in July 2002.. as he encouraged their team to hack into company files ..!! What a vile human being!!

What do I do ..Surely a Plan A would not work under these conditions!!

I am having to resort to both legal and illegal means to try and solve things. Although she has told me that the child is mine .. I cannot trust her.

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Bob,

The first two things that I done when she told me back in Aug 2004 was tell her the following:-

1.I want for us to work on our marriage and and I am willing toi go to a marriage guidance councilor. I recognise that although I'm not responsible for the infidelity, I played a part in the state of our marriage.
(Monday of week)

2.The affair must end and you must never gain have contact with the man. I made her call him by phone as I watched and she cried .. I am sure she hated me for that .. the the following day she called the Police .. no doubt under his direction and had me arrested. They put a knife in my car!!
(Monday of week)

3. I suggested that she takes time for herself away from both me and this OM ..such that she can have a clear mind !! She Refused!
(Tuesday of Week)

4. I asked her to come for a walk with me to the park .. and we sat on a bench and spoke .. I said that ''I loved her enough to set her free''
(Wedensday of week)

5 I collapsed physically in Hospital during afternoon .. she did not give a damn.. I came home and my boss was pressurising me for work ..I went to work still covered with heart monitoring plugs ..He put fuel on the flames by saying .. tell her to go to hell etc.. more sh.t .. in hindsight. I was worked up and returned home ..we argued and I said some mean things .. The folowinmg day she got up, walked out and then had me arrested ..by midday.. I think it was a set-up. The OM arrived on the scene and took my daughter and WW..

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