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#1571793 01/23/06 06:20 PM
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I and WW just finished our 4th JC session and I need to vent some. If needed you can search my previous posts for situation. At our first session i was asked to make out a list of questions I had about her affair. This was before Thankgiving. I had some misgivings about doing this but finnally did and gave her the questions on Dec 2nd. In the letter I wrote along with the questions I told her I wasn't giving her a timeline for when I wanted to recieve the answers as I knew it would be hard.
Well here we are 8+ weeks later and I have not heard one mention of how she was doing on these. At the last session I wanted to bring it up but things were going pretty good with us and I didn't want to pressure. Well I blew up a bit in todays session and told her that my number 1 priority is trying to deal with her infidelity then and only then can I move on and try to fix my 50% of the blame for our marraige breakdown.
I made it quite clear to her that she made a decision that has changed me until they throw dirt on top of me. Sure feelings subside over time but nagging questions are just that and will impede the process of recovery. Full disclosure is needed here and if she were in my shoes would want the same i'm sure. I also made it clear that she could not tell me that in 8+ weeks she has not had the time to do this even figuring the holidays.
The resentment built up so much I probably love busted big time but my feelings must be known. Maybe in a counseling session wasn't the place to do this. The answewrs are gonna be tough to read I know and i'll need some time to process and I made the statement to WW and counselor that it may take 8 weeks.
It STILL makes me very angry that my wife of 11.5 yrs made the decision to take her clothes off and lay down with another man not to mention the man she had been divorced from for 20 yrs. The right thing to do would have been to divorce me first. Divorce now looms on the horizon and is getting closer i'm afraid.
The resentment comes from my perception that she has been refusing to answer the questions or may be she's waiting to see what OM is going to do. I suppose I should have told her how I felt a long time ago and this is part of the problems in out marraige. I did make it clear in todays session that i want to work on this marraige but first I need to process this affair. I cannot move on without answers.
She told me she would go home tonight and write out the answers and i'll have them tommorrow. Don't hold your breath folks. My resentment is only growing. How does a woman undress and spread her legs for another man. I've heard plenty of excuses on this board but none hold water. She and I pledged our faithfulness in front of God and our families. Deception/betrayal/lies and now trying to sweep it all under the carpet just isn't going to get it done.
Thanks for taking the time to read this and I know i'm quite bitter. But as I understand thats part of the grieving process.
What I also don't get is that she's had 1.5 yrs or more to deal with this and i've had 5.5 months. She's got the answers but is she willing to share them with me. I know I'm at the make or break point in this marraige and now once again the ball is in her court. After (and if) I get the answers the ball will be in my court. I got nothing to lose now (maybe some sanity and brain cells).
You folks on here that have been through this and recovered have my compete admiration. IT'S TOUGH!

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Hi Jasper,

Yes it's tough but worth it in my opinion.

Your wife needs to understand how important it is for you to have a window into the affair. There are some good posts here - there is a letter - Joseph's letter reproduced below - maybe you can show it to your wife to help her understand your need to know?

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Joseph's Letter
I want to share a beautiful example of a letter one man wrote in his effort to get his wife to answer his questions. This was originally posted on my BAN Message Board before it was closed. While I didn't keep any of the messages posted on that board, this was so exceptional that I got Joseph's permission to include it in "Peggy's Forum" so it could continue to be accessed by people who didn't read his original posting.
So I'm including it here as a clear statement of the "need to know," as well as a clear explanation of why you ask the questions:
"To Whomever,
"I know you are feeling the pain of guilt and confusion. I understand that you wish all this never happened and that you wish it would just go away. I can even believe that you truly love me and that your indiscretion hurts you emotionally much the same way it hurts me. I understand your apprehension to me discovering little by little, everything that led up to your indiscretion, everything that happened that night, and everything that happened afterwards. I understand. No one wants to have a mistake or misjudgment thrown in his or her face repeatedly. No one wants to be forced to "look" at the thing that caused all their pain over and over again. I can actually see, that through your eyes, you are viewing this whole thing as something that just needs to go away, something that is over, that he/she doesn't mean anything to you, so why is it such a big issue? I can understand you wondering why I torture myself with this continuously, and thinking, doesn't he/she know by now that I love him/her? I can see how you can feel this way and how frustrating it must be. But for the remainder of this letter I'm going to ask you to view my reality through my eyes.
"You were there. There is no detail left out from your point of view. Like a puzzle, you have all the pieces and you are able to reconstruct them and be able to understand the whole picture, the whole message, or the whole meaning. You know exactly what that picture is and what it means to you and if it can effect your life and whether or not it continues to stir your feelings. You have the pieces, the tools, and the knowledge. You can move through your life with 100% of the picture you compiled. If you have any doubts, then at least you're carrying all the information in your mind and you can use it to derive conclusions or answers to your doubts or question. You carry all the "STUFF" to figure out OUR reality. There isn't really any information, or pieces to the puzzle that you don't have.
"Now let's enter my reality. Let's both agree that this affects our lives equally. The outcome no matter what it is well affect us both. Our future and our present circumstances are every bit as important to me as it is to you. So, why then is it okay for me to be left in the dark? Do I not deserve to know as much about the night that nearly destroyed our relationship as you do? Just like you, I am also able to discern the meaning of certain particulars and innuendoes of that night and just like you, I deserve to be given the opportunity to understand what nearly brought our relationship down. To assume that I can move forward and accept everything at face value is unrealistic and unless we stop thinking unrealistically I doubt our lives well ever "feel" complete. You have given me a puzzle. It is a 1000 piece puzzle and 400 random pieces are missing. You expect me to assemble the puzzle without the benefit of looking at the picture on the box. You expect me to be able to discern what I am looking at and to appreciate it in the same context as you. You want me to be as comfortable with what I see in the picture as you are. When I ask if there was a tree in such and such area of the picture you tell me don't worry about it, it's not important. When I ask whether there were any animals in my puzzle you say don't worry about it, it's not important. When I ask if there was a lake in that big empty spot in my puzzle you say, what's the difference, it's not important. Then later when I'm expected to "understand" the picture in my puzzle you fail to understand my disorientation and confusion. You expect me to feel the same way about the picture as you do but deny me the same view as you. When I express this problem you feel compelled to admonish me for not understanding it, for not seeing it the way you see it. You wonder why I can't just accept whatever you chose to describe to me about the picture and then be able to feel the same way you feel about it.
"So, you want me to be okay with everything. You think you deserve to know and I deserve to wonder. You may honestly feel that the whole picture, everything that happened is insignificant because in your heart you know it was a mistake and wish it never happened. But how can I know that? Faith? Because you told me so? Would you have faith if the tables were turned? Don't you understand that I want to believe you completely? But how can I? I can never know what is truly in your mind and heart. I can only observe you actions, and what information I have acquired and slowly, over time rebuild my faith in your feelings. I truly wish it were easier.
"So, there it is, as best as I can put it. That is why I ask questions. That is where my need to know is derived from. And that is why it is unfair for you to think that we can effectively move forward and unfair for you to accuse me of dwelling on the past. My need to know stems from my desire to hold our world together. It doesn't come from jealousy, it doesn't come from spitefulness, and it doesn't come from a desire to make you suffer. It comes from the fact that I love you. Why else would I put myself through this? Wouldn't it be easier for me to walk away? Wouldn't it be easier to consider our relationship a bad mistake in my life and to move on to better horizons? Of course it would, but I can't and the reason I can't is because I love you and that reason in itself makes all the difference in the world."
(end of Joseph's Letter)

Bless you in your efforts to recover your marriage.


Me: 56 (FBS) Wife: 55 (FWW)
D-Day August 2005
Married 11/1982 3 Sons 27,25,23
Empty Nesters.
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update...WW went home after JC sesssion and wrote down answers to my questions. Included babble and left out some important (to me) details which I had asked for. Babble included "it just happened". If I hear this one more time i'm going to vomit. I had asked her if her 2 sons knew of the situation and she answered " I don't remember what excatly I told them". A situation has monumental as this is i'm sure she'd remember telling them. I'll take this as they do not know. I asked for timelines and she was very vague. I asked where they had sex and she just said not in our house. She did tell me OM (her X) told his wife and they aren't doing so good. I feel she may be stringing me along to see what OM does. I made an appt with an attorney for Wed. I'm completely tired of waiting for remorse and FULL disclosure. My final decision is coming soon to a theater near you.

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Jasper,

Whatever you decide, consider this:

Bitterness is like drinking poison & waiting for the other person to die! It will only hurt you, not her. I know it's hard, but you've got to find a way to let that bitterness go.


BS (me) 40 FWH 39
Married: 2/14/99
Together: 16 years
DD 6, DS 4, DD 3, DD 2, DS 2

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