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My favorite polygon is the nonogon - 9 sides.
Sounds like it oughta be a zero-sided figure, doesn't it?
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I think his arrogance was most evident when he kept asking Dr Phil in a genuinely confused tone how and why he cheated and did what he did.
I think the man is profoundly blind to his own weaknesses and THAT was his downfall.
this is a man who NEEDS a mirror held up to his face.
If he can acknowledge what is there, then I think there is a good chance their marriage can be healed.
And remember, no matter how big a pond scum any WS is, there is profound growth and healing to be found in the BS learning plan A and plan B, and carrying it out.
~ Pain is a given, misery is optional ~
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do so love Valentine's Day. Second only to April Fool's Day. Susan: I HEARD THIS!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
I made it happen..a joyful life..filled with peace, contentment, happiness and fabulocity.
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do so love Valentine's Day. Second only to April Fool's Day. Susan: I HEARD THIS!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />
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Yo Sus - how 'bout giving us some really inside stuff on Pep. We won't tell her you provided it.
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Mr. & Mrs. Wondering,
YES!!!YES!!! YESSS!!
I got 2x4'd quite a bit for suggesting the same thing.
compassion, respect and dignity go a long way when you are trying to get a WS to buy into MB concepts....treating them as badly as they are treating BS's just doesn't make sense to me! Especially if they have just begun to peek out of the mist....
It's not just this thread, I see it consistently.
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Yo Sus - how 'bout giving us some really inside stuff on Pep. We won't tell her you provided it.
WAT Sho! What you wanna know?
Money can buy you a fine dog, but only love can make him wag his tail.
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Sho! What you wanna know? Ooooooo, Baby! I don't even know enough to narrow it down!! OK, is it true she can tie a knot in a cherry stem with her tongue? WAT
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Sho! What you wanna know? Ooooooo, Baby! I don't even know enough to narrow it down!! OK, is it true she can tie a knot in a cherry stem with her tongue? WAT Nah. If she tole you that, she is full'o'[censored]. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> (I'm going to get reported, btw. I have contacted my lawyer.)
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An Update...
Mr. W and I have received several emails from Charles...he is showing genuine remorse, says that he feels like a failure and that he has let his family down...The show was taped 3 weeks ago, btw...
This sounds like a couple with an EXCELLENT chance of recovery...He has given us their phone number, and we will be phoning he and Tracy in the morning to offer any support that we can, and of course encourage them to come here and embrace Marriage Builder's Principles...
We both look forward to them getting the same kind of support that we have received here...We owe so very much to Marriage Builders and all of the wonderful people here...
Mrs. Wondering
FWW ~ 47 ~ MeFBH ~ 50 ~ MrWonderingDD ~ 17 Dday ~ 2005 ~ Recovered
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Me-BS age 48 Enneagram type 1w2
H-FWS age 49 Enneagram type 4w3
Married 30 years
3 grown kids
5 grandkids!
D-day 1: 11/86 1 affair
D-day 2: 1/4/03 H revealed 8 more affairs
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However, because they may show up, I request (not demand) that any hurtful words be edited out so this place is not unfairly pre-judged by such comments.
Mr. Wondering In my opinion the following are without a doubt THE MOST HURTFUL WORDS posted on this thread: "I was with both women for a period of three months. I even amazed myself as far as the sex is concerned. Didn't even know that I was capable of doing it because I'm nearly 50 and I was acting like a 25-year-old. I have needs, and I needed more, and I got that with the other woman. The sex was actually a gift from the other woman to my wife." ... I do, however, appreciate his candor, and I would never ask him to edit ... despite there being so many raw and sensitive betrayed wives on this forum who will feel freshly stabbed in their hearts reading this ... it is not my place to ask Charles to edit .... It is his truth ... and he must either stand by what he said on national TV ... or not. I find your request to edit out hurtful words ... silly. The words that hurt a marriage are the words we say to our spouses ... or the words we omit.
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... or, shall all the betrayed consider sending the OP in love with our spouses *thank you cards* for awakining passions in our bored spouses ??? ... really .... I am so against this sort of "editing" the thoughts of others <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
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Shugah ... I got 2x4'd quite a bit for suggesting the same thing. Are wandering/adulterous/confused/foggy posters exempt from your desire to edit what they say on a public message board? Have you ever suggested to a WS their words may harm or injure or frighten off a betrayed newbie? Just wondering .... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Shugah ... I think you are well-intended ... ADDITIONALLY, I do not think I know better than you what you ought to write ... go for it Shugah ... be yourownself ... you are valuable just as you are ! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> ... as are the rest of us
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here's how I see it ....
I am a hugely mindful of personal attacks here when people are posting.....person to person...
this whole conversation is about people on a national TV show.....
and even taking that into account..there is nothing really that awful said about him...bet if I went to the dr phil site the vitriol would be much greater...NOT that that excuses my choices or behavior...but in this case I don't think anything I said is more harmful to what the show had on it.....as pep has pointed out....
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I do stand behind my post and would definitely challenge the husband to review how and why he came to conclude that saying how beautiful the OW is...is in any way a positive or necessary thing...
that one has me baffled....
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p o l y p e p a r k [color:"green"]s u z[/color] i d e l i t y [color:"green"]Yeah, now that's what I like to see. [/color] <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />
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p o l y p e p a r k s u z i d e l i t y I could dig this. Your H's would just have to accept that you are exploring an alternative lifestyle with me... Maybe I could teach you guys a thing or two about bowing before this alpha-male... After all, that is the natural order of things, isn't it? I'm thinking of changing my login name to "Kuzco" just to remind you that this...and all of you...are ALL about ME! Kuzco (formerly LowOrbit)
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However, because they may show up, I request (not demand) that any hurtful words be edited out so this place is not unfairly pre-judged by such comments.
Mr. Wondering A very slippery slope. Can you say "radical honesty"? Surely you don't suggest that we are not wise enough to know what kind of language to use with a WS on the brink of recovery, right? Right? RIGHT??? RIGHT????Surely you don't expect a recently wounded BS to hold their tongue if faced with typical WS justifications, right? Right? RIGHT??? RIGHT????When harsh words are needed (from my perspective), I promise I will deliver them. If a BS lets loose with an emotional attack, oh well. That's the way it is. That is reality. That is the price for admission to the cruel world of infidelity. The very first instance I detect of second party editing aka "censorship" on this forum I will depart for good. Just ask the folks over on the Save Your Marriage Central forum. They will never see me again. This does not mean that the moderators here don't have a job to do. When posts go over their line, they have demonstrated that line to be reasonable and yet not edit, but banish. Is this clear enough?
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Surely you don't expect a recently wounded BS to hold their tongue if faced with typical WS justifications, right? Right? RIGHT??? RIGHT????
When harsh words are needed (from my perspective), I promise I will deliver them. If a BS lets loose with an emotional attack, oh well. That's the way it is. That is reality. That is the price for admission to the cruel world of infidelity. YES! While we try to encourage and be sensitive to newbies you risk getting some 2x4's and in retrospect if you stick around long enough you will see the truth in them. I know Rookev gave me one of my first and I can now go back and read it with the knowledge that there was much truth in that 2x4.
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me: FWW/BS 52 H: FWH/BS 49
DS 30
DD 21
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However, because they may show up, I request (not demand) that any hurtful words be edited out so this place is not unfairly pre-judged by such comments.
Mr. Wondering A very slippery slope. Can you say "radical honesty"? Surely you don't suggest that we are not wise enough to know what kind of language to use with a WS on the brink of recovery, right? Right? RIGHT??? RIGHT????Surely you don't expect a recently wounded BS to hold their tongue if faced with typical WS justifications, right? Right? RIGHT??? RIGHT????When harsh words are needed (from my perspective), I promise I will deliver them. If a BS lets loose with an emotional attack, oh well. That's the way it is. That is reality. That is the price for admission to the cruel world of infidelity. The very first instance I detect of second party editing aka "censorship" on this forum I will depart for good. Just ask the folks over on the Save Your Marriage Central forum. They will never see me again. This does not mean that the moderators here don't have a job to do. When posts go over their line, they have demonstrated that line to be reasonable and yet not edit, but banish. Is this clear enough? LOL, Can you say "fanaticism"? It was a "REQUEST". In all honesty I have not even read the full thread. I do not know who said what. I was merely suggesting that some posters MAY choose to edit their own posts made on an off-topic thread when made aware that the actually off-topic parties are likely arriving for support. I had/have no desire to edit posts myself as I DO trust the people here and it is precisely the COMBINATION of 2 x 4's (compassionate or otherwise) AND positive reinforcement that make this place work. I also did not request moderator attention to this matter. I'm sure Charles is a big boy and can handle anything that was said above. I just hope he and Tracy don't roll their eyes and walk away from this great place because they initially perceive this place as just more of the same bashing he's received everywhere in his life now that they have been on national television. I also realize that is their choice. I surmise if and when Tracy and Chales do post they will get constructive criticism, 2 x 4's, and support in relation to what they post here. This will happen in a completely open and public forum. I am counting on it. WAT, your steadfast and excessive adherence to this freedom of speech/non-censorship principle is clouding your rationality. When you begin looking for and finding "violators" under every rock and crevice, you may find YOURSELF on a slippery slope. At the bottom of that incline you simply have run out of people to interrogate because no one will talk to you (not likely to happen <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ). Perhaps when you discover there is no one else to investigate...you'll be left having to investigate yourself....I hope you don't find nothin'. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" /> Your friend, Mr. Wondering
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