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Well, two years later after my EX and I separated, anyway. The affair was a year and 1/2 before that.

I've been divorced since November '05 and separated since June '04. Plan B since about Feb '05--there's been some contact, but very little. I did send him a Christmas Card....lol..and right before his birthday he emailed me and asked me not to send a birthday card because it caused problems between him and his girlfriend. (The girlfriend was not his actual affair partner--but he did start seeing her while we were still married and in counseling with the Harleys--she is what finally propelled me into Plan B). I hadn't planned on sending a birthday card--the Christmas card was my way of showing I was at peace. Still don't like what the man did, but I've accepted what has happened.

The girl is not a girlfriend anymore. I believe they got married a couple of weeks ago. Suprisingly, I'm okay with that. Can't say I wish them well, but there were no tears shed, no stomach roll-overs, etc. I do believe that within 5 years I will be in a MUCH better place than he is. I did things the right way and that is a good feeling. MB didn't work in favor of my marriage at ALL...but it did work for ME.

I'm doing pretty well. I have a good job and am still going to school. I got promoted a few months ago and this week applied for another promotion. I don't think I'll get it <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" /> (there are more tenured people applying), but I felt really good about my interview and the things my manager had to say. I feel very good about my future at this company.

I've been looking for a house, which is pretty discouraging. Two of the houses I saw had crack-pipes on the porch.I had to google 'crack-pipe' to be sure...lol. With hurricane season here, I may have to wait until November now. Insurance is the big problem here in Florida. My friend just made an offer on a 120k house and ended up having to nix the whole thing because the insurance was 1800 for the year, which significantly increases your mortgage. But I'm not in a big hurry and I do think the right house will come along at the right time. Of course if my parents would like to indulge me and spoil their daughter just once, I'll have much better luck with houses!!

Anyway, despite wanting my parents' help with a house, I feel like a grown-up now. Despite being 35, this is really the first time I've truly been on my own. This is my first apartment all by myself, and I can make the rent! This is my first real job (I've always been going to school and working part time), etc etc. My son will be 18 this month and I just generally feel great about things.

Now...to the infidelity portion of things. I had a recent experience which made me again question..."[color:"red"]How can they do it?!?!?[/color]"

I've been involved with someone. I won't say 'dating' because this person lives pretty far away. This person is really important to me and I care about him a great deal. Won't say 'love'...because without seeing him on a day-to-day basis, that would be impossible to say. Anyhoo, because of the distance between us, we've specifically talked about seeing other people, etc. We won't commit to exclusivity because it just does not make sense and would not be fair to either of us. But, like I said, I care a great deal about this person. The whole dating other people thing hasn't really been an issue because we were both pretty wounded by our marriages (he went through same thing all of here did) and weren't ready to date much anyway. Our relationship very much suits our needs because the distance between us helps to keep a bit of a wall up--we can't get *too* deeply involved. I consider this a bit of a rebound relationship and I believe he sees things that way too.

As it was bound to do, the dating thing *did* come up. I went out with some friends one night, one of whom I'd been "hangin'" with quite a bit. Let's just say that things that night went a little bit further than I had originally intended them to.

I felt SO INCREDIBLY GUILTY afterwards. Some of it was just disappointment in myself, but moreso, it was guilt towards my long-distant relationship. Now this is a man towards whom there was a spoken agreement that we would not be exclusive. This a man that I care a great deal about, but am not in love with. But yet I still felt so horrible!!! I really had to debate whether or not to tell him about what had happened. In the end I decided to tell. It was very difficult and it did hurt him. My reasons for telling were basically for MB reasons. If there is ever a future with my long-distance relationship, I would rather he know about this now, than in the future. Kind of like we always say here--even though we did not have a commitment, he had the right to decide whether he still wished to continue our relationship. The relationship did not end, but it was shaky there for a while.

Anyway... in light of the way I felt after this experience--I just don't see how these WS can do it. Maybe I'm hyper-senstive because of what happened with my EX--but I just felt so damned bad!! How do these WS manage to continue in their behavoir!?! You don't know how bad I wanted to call my ex and question him after this! I didn't, but I sure did want to!! Someday I hope I know the answers--because I sure as heck triggered myself with my own careless behavoir!!

If you've managed, thanks for sticking through my long-winded post!

Thoughts (especially from the former WS)? How does one move past that guilt and continue in their behavoir? Or was that guilt not there?


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I felt SO INCREDIBLY GUILTY afterwards. Some of it was just disappointment in myself, but moreso, it was guilt towards my long-distant relationship. Now this is a man towards whom there was a spoken agreement that we would not be exclusive. This a man that I care a great deal about, but am not in love with. But yet I still felt so horrible!!!


if I may ....

I don't think your bad feeling were guilt at all ... no !

furthermore...
I think your emotional reaction has nothing to do with the LDM (long-distance-man)

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I think you are a woman for whom sharing her body with another is a big deal ... even if it's not full intercourse, it's still physical intimacy with a stranger

and you recognize you gave some of your *specialness* away ... at a discount price ...

and you are a little bit ~angry~ at yourself for doing this

and in the long run

I see this as a good thing

an opportunity for you to recognize just how much YOU value sharing of your body .... and you gave some of that value away carelessly

and I don't think you will do this much once you recognize how much intimacy means to you

you don't value discount touching

nice thing to know about yourself

don'cha'think ?

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I'll bet the WS (formers) who respond will say they compartmentalized their feelings in order to justify their adultery....

YOU are prolly a woman with FEW compartments!

LOL

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Pep,

You are so smart, you have hit it right on the head. My self respect has just soared because this is the way I've always felt.
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an opportunity for you to recognize just how much YOU value sharing of your body .... once you recognize how much intimacy means to you - you don't value discount touching

In this modern world of bed hopping I have been made to feel prudish, maybe not as sexual as the next because I value intimacy and do not understand giving it away to someone you just met. I finally feel validated.

Asinlinn, I think you have your answer. You honor and respect yourself and you let yourself down. Good luck - you'll be fine.


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Married 16 yrs/together 23; 1 child
Dday 4/05; WH "needed space" and left 5/05
WH Filed D papers 6/05 - Divorce final 12/05
WH moved in with OW 11/05; moved out OW 1/06
12/06 His 3rd and strongest attempt at reconcilliation (I believe OW still in picture)
2/07 Affair over, begging me to take him back - it's too late.
WH has tried numerous times to reconcile.
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Hi Aislinn,
It's good to hear from you.

I was wondering if you and the long distance guy re-evaluated the 'not dating exclusively' agreement when you realized how painful it can be? In the 'world', I suspect others with such an agreement would also agree to a 'don't ask/don't tell' policy, prior to the commitment of engagement or marriage. Do you think that would make it easier? What about double standards?

I think it seems so commitments and relationships seem wishy washy and lots more people seem reluctant to commit to marriage. Or is that just my observation?

Do you two have any plans to take your relationship to another level at some point? Just curious, did you meet online, or how did you meet each other?


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Maddy! So good to see an update on you, sweetie! I think Pep is right on, it is hard on a woman to give herself away to a near stranger.


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Maddy - Glad you are doing well. I've been wondering about you. My D will be final in a few weeks. MB didn't save my marriage either, but it made a HUGE difference in my life.

Hope you can buy a home. Keep watching, one will come along. Here is Southern California, a plain house in an average area costs around $450,000.

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Pep, there was definitely guilt towards my LD relationship, but you are very right. I was disappointed in myself. I've had my days of casual sex and it was all good...never felt bad about it, never felt cheapened, etc etc. But it's not the way I want things to be anymore. It's not right for my life right now. I fell back into a bad pattern..and maybe even more than disappointment, it scared the heck out of me. Makes me wonder if I really *have* learned anything in the last two years!!

Trix, no--we have not re-evaluated it. Neither of us feels comfortable being exclusive with each other. I honestly don't see a future with him and from what I can tell, he does not see a future with me. The relationship does serve its purpose. I think the conclusion that I've come to on this--is that I will not agree to not dating others...HOWEVER...if I do choose to date someone, I'm going to make sure that person is worth the risk of my LD relationship. What happened that one night--was stupid and impulsive and not worth it at all! I've thought about the don't ask/don't tell--but in the end think I did the right thing. I do have an intimate relationship with the LD man. He has the right to know if I am intimate with someone else. We did meet online... ahem...met here, as a matter of fact, but I'd rather not say who it is :-)

hey, ff--*hugs*!! Miss ya!

Believer...nods. I am ever optimistic. The right house will come along at the right time!


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