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i posted my original story somewhere else... in short, in August i found that my WH was having an EA with his highschool girlfriend. at the time, i have to admit that my life revolved around our 1 1/2 year old child. i recognize that the reason he ended up in the affair was because i wasn't providing the affection/admiration that he craved. once i found out the full extent of what was going on, at my request he severed all ties with her. i also revealed to his family, and mine... a bit later he admitted what had gone on to his friends. he hasn't tried to contact her, and even though i'm still quite untrusting of him, i do believe he's been honest with me that he's not doing anything that i wouldn't approve of. (this includes porn, because we had a problem with that when he first came back from iraq.)

when i first learned of the EA i was very hurt and panicked. i did anything and everything to earn my husband back. i really started to feel that i was falling back in love with him, and life together was so much better than it had been in a very long time. we did do the lb and en questionairres. but the problem has begun again...

i should be clear, that he's not having an affair, it's just that where things had begun to mend, there are now falling apart again. i'm not sure where the problem starts, if it's the fault of my husband or myself. i do know that i want time and help around the house, as well and family time with my husband. he works 4pm-4am and most nights is up a few hours after he comes home. consequently, he doesn't wake up until after 2pm, and leaves for work shortly after 3. he hates that i ask him to take the garbage out before he goes, it's the one chore i ask him to do, and if i say nothing he doesn't do it. he knows that i'm very unhappy about the amount of time we have together, and the fact that he doesn't ever seem to help me without a lot of attitude and teeth-pulling. i've also been depressed (undiagnosed) because i'm a stay at home mom in a town where i know nobody. i feel like the passion that i was starting to feel is gone again, and so there's no sex, and very little affection. i know that i should be the one to start putting units in the love bank, but it's so hard for me to start when i feel so neglected.

my husband is planning on finding a new job in the spring, but for now he's stuck in this job where he works most weekends. it's nice to have money in a horrible economy, but truthfully i was happier not paying bills with a husband who was home a lot more.

i guess i just don't know where to start to put things back together. the fact is, he's a lot different than he was before he went to iraq and it's really hard to deal with a short-tempered, exasperated husband...

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Your husband is working 12 hour days, afternoon and midnight shift plus weekends! Ugh, there is little time for anything else.

Of course you feel neglected. Believe me, he likely feels the same. You both want something from the other but there is little to be had with your husband’s work schedule.

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I know that I should be the one to start putting units in the love bank, but it's so hard for me to start when I feel so neglected.

Sorry, that is no excuse. If you know your not contributing to his love bank then DO something about it. In the end you will reap the benefits. Being courteous, generous and loving to your spouse should ALWAYS be a foregone conclusion. Don’t get me wrong, he has no less of a responsibility to you but his failure in that department does NOT excuse you from being a loving and caring wife. Conversely, no matter how many hours your husband works he can still be loving and caring towards you. He may feel that his efforts to provide for his family are not appreciated at home. I think that if you examine how you feel, you may find that you indeed do not appreciate his efforts at least by the actions you show.

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It’s nice to have money in a horrible economy, but truthfully I was happier not paying bills with a husband who was home a lot more.

I think the folks who are unable to pay their bills because they are out of work might trade places with you in a nanosecond. This country is not in such good shape right now. Once his work hours subside then your demands (err, make that suggestions) that he contribute more effort around the house will be much more reasonable. However, working at his current schedule he has NO time for much else expect for sleep and work. That is just simple arithmetic.

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I guess I just don't know where to start to put things back together. The fact is he's a lot different than he was before he went to Iraq and it's really hard to deal with a short-tempered, exasperated husband...

How is he different, how did Iraq change him?

What were his listed emotional needs?

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well, since he's returned from iraq he's a completely different person. he used to be the most patient person i knew and that seems to be gone. he used to have a really long fuse, as in, you couldn't even provoke a fight with him. (for the most part.) i understand losing some patience, but it's seems he's done a complete 180. (i say this with no exaggeration) the smallest request is met with a raised and irritated voice. i realize that he works a lot and there isn't much time for anything else, but i also don't find it unreasonable to ask him to fill the baby's cup when i'm busy changing a diaper. his excuse used to be "don't ask me for something when i'm sitting, i hate getting up a million times." so i make an effort to only ask him for something when he himself gets up... this hasn't help his reactions in the least. he hates that i remind him to please take the garbage out before work, but the garbage has now not been taken out for 3 days because i haven't asked. he knows it's there, he knows he's supposed to take it out everyday, he just doesn't care. that's his attitude about everything. he doesn't care about cleaning up after himself, he doesn't care if the baby hasn't eaten all day if i'm out for the afternoon and he's watching him. i don't know what else to say...

it all just seems to make for a very bitter relationship. i'm fighting tooth and nail against instincts that tell me to stick up for myself and not give in to a man who refuses to give just a little and show any consideration for me. yes yes, i know he works, a lot... he hasn't always worked so much, it's always been this way. he doesn't ever get up with the baby to let me sleep in. he wakes up in the morning, lays in bed for over an hour, then goes out for a cigarette... all requirements before doing the smallest thing for our son. me? i hop out of bed, change his diaper, get him a drink, and start making him breakfast all while doing the pee-pee dance. i do the same for my husband, i cook for him while he's sleeping, i wash his work clothing, i try to do thoughtful and considerate things for him... i get the obligatory thank you and he goes about serving himself.

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his top en's were admiration and sexual. neither of those is being met right now. i don't know how to admire a man who continues to make me seethe with anger and not care. he knows how angry he makes me sometimes, and that only causes him to do even less. sexual... well, that's definately not going on right now.

when the EA came out he made a commitment to me to try and spend more time with us, and to try and meet my en's as well. i feel like he was the first to back out. my time with him consists of sitting with him while he watches house. any time he's not doing that he's playing with the nintendo ds... i can ask him nicely to please turn it off and spend time with him and i get a raised voice "hang on!" i cannot tell you how many times i have heard the words hang on in the past month. seriously, i hate those words so much i'd like to take them out of the dictionary and beat him with them.

i would also like to add, i seem to be the only one willing to make a sacrifice for the other one. he refuses to get up early to spend just a couple of hours a day with us. almost everynight i stay up until 5 or 6 in the morning to see him, and spend what little time i can with him before he goes to sleep. then i'm up in a few hours with my son, and the only other sleep i see is during his naptime in the afternoon. he would never think of doing anything remotely close to that for me and it makes me want to puke.

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Hi DS,
I can empathize with you and having a young baby to take care of is such a hard job. I too have a husband that wasn't supportive in the care of our kids. I hope you have someone you can count on for support, a parent or a friend. Also, is your husband loving at least to your son?
From experience now, all I can say is get some support around you to help you in the care of your son, so you can have some time to take care of you and also some time to think. Ask for help and don't be afraid too or feel you are alone. Everyone has a friend or parent or something, if that support is far away, either go to them or ask them to come to you. This will give you the strength to take the next steps in dealing with the issues with your relationship. I bottled up my frustrations with my husband for 4 years and it led us down a bad path.

I would also look locally for someone to talk to about marriage issues, either a pastor or therapist, even if it's just for you at first and even if its just over the phone while the baby naps. This will help you get the strength and tools you need to confront your husband.
Best wishes for you and I'm sure there's some more versed people on here that can also provide advice!

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ds, here is an article by Dr Harley about learning to share domestic responsibilities:

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Step 1: Identify your household responsibilities.
First, make a list of all of your household responsibilities including child care. The list should (1) name each responsibility, (2) briefly describe what must be done, and when, to accomplish it, (3) name the spouse that wants it accomplished and (4) how important is it to that spouse (use a scale from 1-5, with 1 least important and 5 most important).

When you have finished your list, both of you should be satisfied that it includes all of the housekeeping and child care responsibilities that you share. You may have as many as 100 items listed. Just this part of the exercise alone will help you understand what you're up against with regard to the work that you feel must be done.


Step 2: Assume responsibility for items that you would enjoy doing or prefer doing yourself.
Make a second copy of your final list, so that both you and your spouse can have your own copy. Then, independently of each other, put your own name in from of each item that you would like to do yourself. These are tasks that you would enjoy doing, don't mind doing, or want to do yourself so they can be done a certain way.

Begin two new lists of household responsibilities, one representing the husband's responsibilities, and the other, the wife's. Items from the original list that have been selected by a spouse and mutually agreed to as a responsibility, should be written on these new lists, and taken off the original list.

Now you have three lists. (1) the husband's list of responsibilities, (2) the wife's list of responsibilities and (3) the list of household responsibilities that are not yet assigned.


Step 3: Assign the remaining responsibilities to the one wanting each done the most.
In Step 2, you eliminated all of the tasks that you don't mind doing. You are left with those that are unpleasant for both of you. These are items that neither of you want to do, but one of you wants done.

It is at this point that you choked on my recommendation. I suggested that these unpleasant responsibilities should be assigned to the person who wants them done the most. It's a reasonable solution, since to do otherwise would force responsibility on the one who doesn't care about them.

By the way, I did not mean to imply that you were supposed to be enthusiastic about taking responsibility for tasks that only you wanted accomplished. I simply feel that if you didn't take responsibility for them yourself, the only one left would be your husband who doesn't have any interest in them. And, as you've noticed, the only way you can get him to do them for you is to make demands on him.

Demands, as I have explained in my Basic Concepts, always withdraw love units, and never solve problems. So until you have a better way of getting these things done, like hiring someone to do them, I suggested that you take these unwanted tasks yourself.

Bear with me once more as I explain to you why I recommend this solution.

Consider for a moment why you want the other person to do these unpleasant tasks for you. Even though you are the one who wants them done, you want the other person to relieve you of the pain you suffer when you do them. It other words, you want to enjoy the benefit of having them done, but you are not willing to suffer for it yourself. You would rather see your spouse suffer. You want to gain the benefits of having these unpleasant tasks accomplished at your husband's expense.

You may argue that these tasks are not really what you want done, but rather, what should be done. You may feel that they are for the benefit of your children, or some other reason. But when you use that argument, you imply that your spouse is such a slob, and so out of touch, that he doesn't even know or care what's right or what's best for the children.

How to Divide Domestic Responsibilities (Part 2)


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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