This thread is both funny and sad. When you're in the midst of it all it's not very damn funny at all. But later, you look back and remember some of the really stupid things that were said and it can make you laugh.

Two of my favorites - After getting drunk and openly flirting with what became OM1, my FWW was scolded by two of her friends then I gathered our things and told her we were leaving because she was making a scene. Her response - "You NEVER let me have any fun! I was enjoying that and you didn't like it so you made me stop. That's not fair!" yep, I was so unfair....

Second one came after everything, and yes I mean everything, finally came out after 2+ years of lies and deceit. She was trying to justify her actions and told me "You know, you never finished putting down that trim in the living room and that has always pissed me off". How's that for justification to have an affair? I was so blindsided by that one that I couldn't even respond. Unbelievable how her brain was working then. She doesn't even remember saying it now.

After I played a tape recording to my WW where in her own voice while talking to one of ther girlfriends on a cell phone in her care (I had hidden a tape recorder in the car) she discusses OM's "heart of gold" and the fact that she went to him and began an affair because she needed to feel good about herself....

WW responds to me by saying "I have no idea what I was talking about, maybe I was dreaming. I swear on a stack of Bibles that I don't know what I was talking about."

Of course I also have heard that frequently mentioned "He was just a friend..."

Then for the first A she said about the other man "He was flirtatious with everyone. He even flirted with my mother."

Then there was the day she said "I did not know he was that young."

But my all time favorite: "He has a girlfriend so you know he wouldn't be interested in me. What kind of man do you think he is?"

Hurting Turkey
ME: BH age 56 Recovering Verbal Abuser
SHE:WW age 49
Married 13 years
Hers: 22 and 18 years
Mine: 30, 28 and 22 years
Ours: 11 years
She still won't admit A despite overwhelming evidence
Considered Plan B but was told not to by Steve H. since A is over
Grateful for the people on this board (even though they tire of telling me what I don't want to hear!)

Me: How could you cheat on your family?

WW: I didn't cheat on the family. I cheated on you!

The argument that began it all;

"You never let me have any friends, like... (proceeds to list of male friends, all of whom it went physical with at some point)"

And you wonder why?

When I was fighting her about ending contact (at this point, the only admission was that they had kissed);

"I've changed it my head, so we are only friends now."

She also stated that she had "No problem" with me having contact with any women whom I had a physical history with.

Then it happened, and that has a thread of it's own. (I behaved poorly :()

XH blaming me for DD17 not seeing him for 2 years and how he justifies his choices.

Stop using DD17 as a tool, you could have helped with me and DDs relationship, but you didn�t. I guess that means welcoming PP with open arms You wanted to control everything and you still do. You think you are so sleek thersaus? in the things you do and no one is aware of it, you�re wrong, and every documented incident just validated that the choices I made are the correct ones. affairage and rutting in the pigpen

I hope you find happiness like I have, and you can find someone to spend the rest of your life with. PP wrote this (as most of his correspondence

If happiness is losing your senior position, not seeing DDs for 2 years and declaring bankruptcy then I would have to say it is not happiness just being drunk

Waywards are dumb.

Wow Hope. Pp is such the "wordsmith". Love her wonderful spelling!

It IS sad isn't it how they are deluded by facts.
Refusing to see truth or dignity or honesty.

I still get crazy stuff from my wxh. He sent my ds, age 12, who KNOWS BETTER and knows exactly why I divorced his dad, and why the ow/affairage wifey also just divorced his dad, and knows why his dad, the ex ceo, is now in jail. He read a letter recently from his father, who wrote: "People stole alot of $ from daddy. Daddy does not know why they did that and there were alot of LIES said about me and why I am in jail."

My son handed me the letter and asked me to toss it. He said his dad is somebody who "doesn't get it".

Out of the mouths of babes right?

My 12 year old gets it. And has not wanted to see his own father in over a year and I support my son in this. He's at the age where he can decide what he wants, and in this specific instance, the 12 year old is right.

Sad truth is if the ws NEVER changes, they become more and more wayward and you will hear nothing BUT these insane and ludicrous remarks forever.

I am one of those who, althoug with extremely small and limited contact, either get once or up to say five times a year, crazy justifications and lies from either my xwh or his parents, whom I call "the outlaws",who are just as bad as he is, if not worse, for years of enabling their ws son, and for his wife (xh's mom) who enabled for years her H who is a serial cheater.

Can I just say that after dealing with three OW IRL, (text confrontation with my H's OW1, call to OW2 and face to face confrontation with my sister's H's OW), that these chicks are just as fogged out or moreso than our Hs?

All three OW told baldfaced lies and were skillful gaslighters. Additionally, OW1 told me "You need help", and my sister's OW angrily insisted that my sister's H slept at her house because he was tired and it was convenient, that she did nothing wrong and she would have us arrested for harassing her! Crazy!

So anyway, I highly recommended confronting an OP face to face with at least a friend or sibling or two and telling them in ML-fashion that hell is coming and don't even bother trying to reason with them...

Warms my heart to see children who can see past Bullcrap. Thanks peachy

Anytime an email comes we play "who wrote it"...The writing style is so different. When XH responds it is usually out of anger or in response to something he does not want PP to see. When PP writes for him she tries to look "smart" and use all those big ole words from the Dic-tionary! She is such a scholar.

As long as XH is in the pigpen he will never see the truth and this was the most ethical man I knew. All those fake body bits has him a tailspin...still.

Well well well. You know how I'd handle the infamous pp?

I'd out wordsmith her!

I'd write something so four and five syllabled, along the lines of a speech by say, Al Sharpton, something like this.

"It is a conundrum and defiles the soul how your paramour continues such obtuse behavior. Heretofore, and verily I say to you, in actuality, it is imperative you cease and desist in your condonment of his situation. I beesech you, Pee Pee, to encourage him to incorporate some HONORI�FICABILI�TUDINI�TATIBUS into his daily activities and spirituality."

That should confuse the H outta her!

Wow I've heard both of these!!

Right! He has said this more than once... or, "I wish I could go back and change things and you guys could be friends because you would be good for her"

Me, too, sad to say. He even said "She's a really nice person. You'd like her." to DS15. DS15 politely disagreed.

My crazy vile, xwh said the same thing to me about Monkeyho.

He told me "wow, you two have so much in common. You'd love her and probably be the best of friends if not for "this"."

When he decided his other shag partner, Ms. Family Values, who would shag him when monkeyho was out of town (she lived in our hometown in TN), and when he finally had "no choice but choose Ms. Family Values after I forever ruined that romance (with all the awesome exposure I did to her)he told me...

"I think you'll really like Family Values. I mean, she is NOT monkeyho, and she's not the REAL reason we're getting divorced."

Um. The [censored] forgot to mention she was already pregnant too.

Oh dear. His mental prowess still amazes me!

Now I just realize he's about as sane as this guy.

What a guy. Who'd have ever known I was once married to the other warlock vatican assassin?



You see, Darth was the original.

How many times did I hear THAT one? Sure, the A has nothing to do with OM... our marital problems are between me and WS!

"OM knows how to be a real man."

This one killed me. So fooling around with a married woman, while his live-in girlfriend and special-needs son are at home, is being a real man? Lying about some kind of faux rap-career that's still lingering from the 1990s, living on the government's SS check for his child, and probably selling drugs to make ends meet is what real men do?

Yes yes yes!!! I have gotten something like this a lot, even all the way through Plan A.... I mean... is this some common thread? Why do WS think that BS and OP have so much in common and would love each other?

She's a trailer trash overweight stupid ugly chick that apparently has no fixed moral values, so that's a no, we will not be friends.

Good one, mehr! Those poor waywards. Yep, it's as common as dirt.

I just read this and had coffee come out of my nose from laughing!!

Maybe I can explain it to him in 5 words or less as schoolbus used to say because that is all the waywards can handle....

PP is a dumb rutting pig.....oops that was 6. I hope she doesn't get confused!