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Originally Posted by HoldHerHand
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In 7th and 8th grade, I had all male teachers. High school, I'm a little foggy on...I'd guess it was evenly split, but for math (4 semesters) I had one female teacher, for language (French) it was all females, for science it was all males, and I remember my male Free Enterprise teacher, and one female English teacher...I don't remember any of the rest.

My son is in middle school right now, and he has a lot of male teachers. We're in the Southeast US. I went to Catholic school as a young girl, so all my teachers were nuns back then.

I'm on the conservative side of liberal-ville. The land of feminists and animal-freedom-fighters.

Regional difference?

Must be! Come on down to the land of belles and brawls.


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I remember when my program coordinator called me into her office to discuss my punctuality and my lack of verbal participation in her adolescent literature class. I asked, "well I'm making an A, right? "

She said "yes. But I think you're too concerned with how you look and spend too much time in the gym and not enough time really applying yourself to your studies. "

To which I replied, "Well thank you for your concern. But I think my degree will be just as good as everyone else's regardless of where I spent my time. "

As I got up to leave, I asked, "do you think if I spent less time working out I'd have a 4.0 instead of a 3.75? " the look on her face was priceless.

I'm not sure why I even remember that conversation except it was humorous.







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Originally Posted by Pepperband
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You've been acting a little strange lately.

Gonna call the Doc and get an order for a UA.

Actually, I am seeing the specialist this afternoon. dramaqueen
And, yes, I have been "strange", mostly because I am pissed as hell that I retired and almost immediately became very ill.
WTF?

I thought that phenomenon was isolated to Ortho Docs?


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Originally Posted by CWMI
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So, yes. When you try to tell me what I feel or think about myself, I'm going to call it tripe.

Good luck with that.

I haven't said one word about how you feel or think about yourself. I've taken issue with what you've said or inferred about WOMEN. Not yourself. DAH WIMMINS! smile


If I say it once, you think you can remember for me?

It's not about women.

I find it a little embarrassing, however, that men have to be told by women to "man up."

I know why, though. Simple male arrogance.

I don't think I've had the pleasure of recieving the call to man up from any of the ladies here, but I did get told by one of my instructors that I think like a woman, and I don't do it well. Ouch. This from an unmarried, 26-year-old woman.

crazy

I wonder how that came to be?



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Male arrogance is anything but simple.

Think like a woman? Did you ask her what she meant? Can you get it from her now if you didn't then?


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Originally Posted by kilted_thrower
I remember when my program coordinator called me into her office to discuss my punctuality and my lack of verbal participation in her adolescent literature class. I asked, "well I'm making an A, right? "

She said "yes. But I think you're too concerned with how you look and spend too much time in the gym and not enough time really applying yourself to your studies. "

To which I replied, "Well thank you for your concern. But I think my degree will be just as good as everyone else's regardless of where I spent my time. "

As I got up to leave, I asked, "do you think if I spent less time working out I'd have a 4.0 instead of a 3.75? " the look on her face was priceless.

I'm not sure why I even remember that conversation except it was humorous.

I have a 4.0.

lolz. laugh


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Originally Posted by CWMI
I have a 4.0.

You have very tiny feet.
I wear 7.0
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I suppose you could take it that way, or you could ask what is meant by the phrase.

When I read it, I am reminded of what authors such as John Eldredge or Stu Weber have to say.

Essentially they point to men thinking that women are the solutions to their problems. If they purse a life style of pursuing the right woman, they will be a real man.

The problem is, it doesn't work that way. No woman, no matter how good she might be can make a man a real man. He has to be that complete man FIRST, and THEN he can be a great, Godly husband for his wife, a great, Godly father to his children.

So when I read the signature, I'm thinking that it's a personal view akin to what authors like those men and others say. A woman is not the key to being a real or a good man. So if you are looking to become a real man or a good man via some woman, you are destined to fail.

Not because women are bad, it's because they are not equipped to make a man a real man, or a good man. So I see his statement not as a criticism of women, but for men who are looking to use a woman to become, "a real man."

It just doesn't happen that way.

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No.

Here's your signature line:

�We�re a generation of men raised by women. I�m wondering if another woman is really the answer we need.�

THAT'S what I'm talking about. That is blaming women for male behavior.

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Feet? Oh no, I'm way into skis with an almost perfect 8.5!

I'm only 5'6 but I look much taller cause all my extremities are loooong. Maybe I look more apish. lol.


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Originally Posted by Enlightened_Ex
I suppose you could take it that way, or you could ask what is meant by the phrase.

When I read it, I am reminded of what authors such as John Eldredge or Stu Weber have to say.

Essentially they point to men thinking that women are the solutions to their problems. If they purse a life style of pursuing the right woman, they will be a real man.

The problem is, it doesn't work that way. No woman, no matter how good she might be can make a man a real man. He has to be that complete man FIRST, and THEN he can be a great, Godly husband for his wife, a great, Godly father to his children.

So when I read the signature, I'm thinking that it's a personal view akin to what authors like those men and others say. A woman is not the key to being a real or a good man. So if you are looking to become a real man or a good man via some woman, you are destined to fail.

Not because women are bad, it's because they are not equipped to make a man a real man, or a good man. So I see his statement not as a criticism of women, but for men who are looking to use a woman to become, "a real man."

It just doesn't happen that way.

Originally Posted by CWMI
No.

Here's your signature line:

�We�re a generation of men raised by women. I�m wondering if another woman is really the answer we need.�

THAT'S what I'm talking about. That is blaming women for male behavior.

Thanks for this.

I didn't have the words or expression to sum it up.

And, I'll admit to feeling a little badgered and cornered.

Again, it's jut NOT bout women.


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Originally Posted by Pepperband
A man who owns his manhood points no fingers.
A man who blames others on the state of his manhood ain't "there" yet.
QFT.

Pep, you always have a way with the turn of a phrase.


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Originally Posted by CWMI
I do, and apparently I'm not the only one. I love what they're discussing on the NO GURLS thread and i support the manning up of men everywhere...that is a blessing to women, not a threat. I just don't see why HHH has to include things like 'taking back' manhood (as if it was taken FROM them), and it's a 'woman's world', and that 'being raised by women is why men are not manly' and that women don't know what a good man is...it's all too much deflection of responsibility that could easily be stated as:

Our fathers messed up, but we're gonna fix that.

Leave the women out of it, stop it with the jabs that WE are the problem with men.


Quick and short - you don't have to get it. It's not about you. It's not about women.

It is not required for you to "get it," like it, understand it, agree with it.

Because IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU.


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