Ohhh Boy WHAT DO I DO NOW!?
I'm in plan B(Modified)
WS...came for visitation called my mom and asked if he could pop in since he was driving by.I was not home at the time,got home and he was in the livingroom with our son.
I was planning on going to Toysrus by myself..and he said " ohh it would be fun can I please come with".It would really help me feel like I was apart of our sons Christmas.(Even though I was paying)
I said no I think it's not be a good idea.Then my mom says well why not!!!..she took me aside and said It's a big deal for him.
O.k so off all 3 of us went to ToysRus.

Of COURSE he started talking.....and this is what he said!!

**I need you to help me out,so I can continue to Live in this state.I need $400 a month towards bills...please do not force me to have to move out of state in with my parents!

I will Give up both OW,and will not talk or see them again.

I will go to any counsler you wish.And will fallow there direction.

However I can't promise things will work out for us,I still don't know if we can be in a relationship,but want to start off slow.

I told him I would think about it and get back with him.

There's still the issue's of one of the OW work's next door to his work.And how do I really know he wouldn't be seeing here.

He never brought up anything about being sorry,it was more like I drove him to another, and it wasn't an affair just dating.

Nor did he bring up what he was going to do to change his anger/abusive past/and drug use.

It's a thread of hope,but what does he really want here....money or me??

Any wise advice???!!!!!

Betrayedbymybestfriend-
I am new here- so I really dont know your story. How long have you been seperated. My son will be 17 months this Thursday. So I kinda relate to you a little. How have you handle that? It has been really hard for me.

Mary,

I am afraid that I think that he sees you as the only way that he can stay in town, and therefor is saying what he thinks will get him what he wants. Just like the others who hear "We need to separate in order to get back together." Or "Perhaps after the divorce we can start over." It is pure manipulation in my opinion and I hope that you don't fall for it. If it is important to him then he would find a way to get the money by working himself. It obviously isn't, but staying in his current lifestyle is important, so who better to get money from than someone that he thinks he can manipulate by saying 'possibilities'.

I hope that you do what feels right for you. In my completely unregulated opinion which has absolutely no bearing on what you should do, I think you should tell him to "Get the hell out of your life and grow up. Perhaps in the future you might think about him again, but you can't guarantee anything." Please let this quote just be a stupid man's opinion who would like to just come to your home and make everything better for you and your son. I hate this. I hate this sort of thing with a passion.

By the way, I saw your pictures and you are beautiful. Don't let him degrade you or make you think otherwise. If he says anything, you tell him that an Endovasular neurosurgeon thinks you are lovely and that I think that his opinion about you shows his lack of taste and intelligence.

Take care and stay strong.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I am new here- so I really dont know your story. How long have you been seperated. My son will be 17 months this Thursday. So I kinda relate to you a little. How have you handle that? It has been really hard for me.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Hi Hurt,
My story to make it short..the long version is under my signature.But to make it short..WS and I have been married almost 4 yrs(in Jan).
We have a 18 month old son.We knew each other since we were 15/16,grew up in church together,ironicly!
He became abusive after we married..I kept holding on thinking things would change, it didn't.
After our son was born he turned into a big baby.I didn't give him as much attention(why would I want to when he was belittling me and knocking me to the floor if dinner wasn't cooked when he showed up unexpectedly early after work).Just an example,dinner would have been made if he let me know he was coming home early!
He had an anger problem,he went to jail for choking me that was the first time I ever got the nerve up to call for help.
I was never perfect enough he wanted perfection!
Then I found porn,and he started using drugs(pot),and at the same time was being treated for depression and panic attacks,so he was on sveral differant pills paxil/sleeping pills..ect.
He started having an affair and,told me to leave brought over ow to our place.
We were forced to move into my parents house.I had just got done decorating our sons room.He knows who his dad is,when he comes to visit which is oNCE A week.
D-day was Jul-02 I filed sept-02
Feb/March divorce should be final.
It's just very sad,my son is looking for any male to give him attention.My dad is great,but works alot..so when he does see my older brothers or dad he pulls on there pant legs...
He's a sweet toddler,I just want to give him an intact loving family!!!

Hows your little one handling it,and yourself..?i'm not sure I know your story...But welcome to MB.I have learned alot from this place <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />

Formerly Confused

Thank you,it's good to here from a males point of view..I agree with you 100% You just Helped me see it more clearly....thank you for your kind remarks,you lifted my spirit!!!
I just don't UNDERSTAND,how he can just throw us away...he had everything he needed in front of him.
maybe somday he'll get it, but it will be too late..i'm sure I will have hopefully remarried and have 3 more little ones running around. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Ok, here is my reply --

Marriage Builders has an answer for you - it's called the four rules of recovery - they should be on this site somewhere.

I would make WH agree to those first before takign him back - they are really for your own protection.

You may also want to check out some counselors and see if any are MB friendly - see the section on this site on how to find a marriage counselor.

You may also want to give him a copy of the Emotional Needs Questionaire and Love Busters questionaire - both of which can be printed from this site.

You can also call into Willard Harley's wife's radio show on which he is a guest on Mon. and Thur. at 1pm and ask the man himself. Just go to the radio link to see how to do it.

Yes, he may just be after the money, but if he agrees to all of this, then you may want to take the chance - maybe WH is just looking for an excuse to come back home.......however, remember that WITHDRAWAL is real, and you need to have this hit home with WH. He needs to know and understand that for at least 3 weeks he will feel an incredible and irresitable urge to see OW - just as if he was going off of drugs, but that this feeling will pass and that you will help him through it. He should probably also be living with you - easier to Plan A this way and easier to keep an eye on him and see if he is truly sincere.

You could also give him the money per a contract or something that if he does X then you get Y.

Just some suggestions. K

He's trying to tug at your heart BBMBF, don't let him! I respectfully disagree with GIIC in your situation - but only because of all of the addictions that your H has in his life.

It's those addictions that need to be worked on by HIM, before you could both have a great chance at recovery.

I believe that your H is desperately trying to get you to enable him some more. If he has to move to his parents home, then so what? He's quite capable of working to earn money. He certainly doesn't need it from YOU.

I'm touchy about the money issue. I had my H coming to me for money, and using it as a weapon during our separation last year. He would make me feel SO GUILTY if I didn't help him out. And I was the one on welfare and HE was the one working full time!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

That's why I was asking about going through legal means of getting the money that is owed to your son. That way you don't have to deal with the onslaught of his guilt trips, and 'say anything' you want to hear, all in the hopes of aiding in his addictions.

Stand firm. Tell him that you cannot give him any money. Tell him that yes, you want your M back with him. And then tell him what it is that HE needs to do for you - and pull out those boundaries (no OW's, AA? or something similar, IC, MC, steady income, etc... whatever you need to feel safe). Then ask of him what you need to do to make him feel safe that is NOT MONEY RELATED. Ask him to write them out for you. You can do the same for him. This whole situation is NOT to be taken lightheartedly. And above all, you must continue to PROTECT YOURSELF and your SON.

((((((((((BBMBF)))))))))))

I know how much you want to believe him. However, he hasn't earned that trust back yet.

Karen

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by BetrayedByMyBestFriend:
<strong>Ohhh Boy WHAT DO I DO NOW!?
I'm in plan B(Modified)
WS...came for visitation called my mom and asked if he could pop in since he was driving by.I was not home at the time,got home and he was in the livingroom with our son.
I was planning on going to Toysrus by myself..and he said " ohh it would be fun can I please come with".It would really help me feel like I was apart of our sons Christmas.(Even though I was paying)
I said no I think it's not be a good idea.Then my mom says well why not!!!..she took me aside and said It's a big deal for him.
O.k so off all 3 of us went to ToysRus.
MOM, YOU NEED TO BUTT OUT OF OUR FAMILY DECISION-MAKING PROCESS, THANK YOU!

Of COURSE he started talking.....and this is what he said!!

**I need you to help me out,so I can continue to Live in this state.I need $400 a month towards bills...please do not force me to have to move out of state in with my parents!
EXCUSE ME? AND WHO'S FAULT MIGHT THAT BE? YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM IF YOU HAD STAYED WITH ME AND NOT GONE OFF CHEATIN' ON ME.

I will Give up both OW,and will not talk or see them again.
THAT'S A GOOD START.

I will go to any counsler you wish.And will fallow there direction.
ANOTHER GOOD STEP - THEIR DIRECTION WILL BE FOR YOU TO RETURN TO YOUR WIFE! ALSO TO WORK ON YOUR MARRIAGE. ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO THAT NOW?

However I can't promise things will work out for us,I still don't know if we can be in a relationship,but want to start off slow.
OIC, YOU AREN'T READY TO FOLLOW 'THEIR DIRECTION' YET. WOULD YOU PLEASE REPEAT YOUR PREVIOUS SENTENCE TO ME ABOUT 'FOLLOWING THEIR DIRECTION' I DON'T THINK I HEARD YOU RIGHT.

I told him I would think about it and get back with him.
AND YOU SHOULD CONTINUE TO 'THINK' ABOUT IT UNTIL HE PROVES THAT HE IS ACTION AND NOT JUST MORE BS WORDS TO YOU. ACTIONS SPEAK SO MUCH LOUDER THAN WORDS.

There's still the issue's of one of the OW work's next door to his work.And how do I really know he wouldn't be seeing here.

He never brought up anything about being sorry,it was more like I drove him to another, and it wasn't an affair just dating.
FORGIVENESS, HEALING AND RESTORATION OF A MARRIAGE BEGIN WITH THE WS ADMITTING HE/SHE WAS WRONG, ASKING FORGIVENESS AND NO EXCUSES - CALL A SPADE A SPADE. APPARENTLY HE'S CRYING SOME CROCIDILE TEARS HERE FOR YOU.

Nor did he bring up what he was going to do to change his anger/abusive past/and drug use.
AGAIN, MORE WORDS ON HIS PART. HE WILL BE BELIEVED ONCE HE BEGINS BACKING UP WHAT HE SAYS WITH ACTIONS...

It's a thread of hope,but what does he really want here....money or me??
M-O-N-E-Y

Any wise advice???!!!!!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Please pray about this more and continue seeing your Counselor is what I would do. It looks like your Plan B is working! Stay strong and keep the faith - hopefully your WS will see MORE consequences of his actions and repent of his evil against you, then turn his back on it and ask your forgiveness and WANT to restore your precious Marriage!
God bless you, Harold

Ok, I don't really disagree with Toppie - I must have been posting while you were posting your history......

I believe that even Harley says that addictions need to be taken care of by the spouse before the marriage can be repaired, and it makes sense - I mean how can one truly meet the needs of another of they can't even meet their own needs and how can they have their needs met when they don't even know what those needs are.

Maybe you should read Co-dependent No More by Melody Beatty or is it Beattie - anyway that book helped me alot, and al-anon may help as well.

Just so that you are able to see the true picture of your situation and not just want you want to see - I was guilty of that, and it's not healthy for anyone.

However, from what MB recommends to require of spouses wanting to return to the marriage, it doesn't sound like H would even agree to all that - not for only $400.00. It does look like he's trying to find a temporary fix, and it may be delaying the inevitable hitting of rock bottom which is maybe where he needs to be to finally get help.

But you may want to let him know what you would require if he was ever serious about returning home - just so that he'd have something to think about.

K

!
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />
The past couple of weeks WS,has been trying everything in his power to contact me Leaving voice messages on my cell phone,even in letters.Each letter/and voice mail ranges from nice to flat out evilness.
I haven't responded to any of them . One letter he says he doesn't want things this way,he would rather be with me.If I can't bring him back to how we were once In Love then he wants nothing to do with me.The person he once knew wouldn't have left him in *his* finacial mess.
He wanted me and his son out he would yell that in front of our family/friends.The bills are his in his name,i'm taking care of my own.In the court paperwork,he is responsible for the bills he's asking me to pay.
Since I make more money then him he thinks it's inhumane of me to leave him in that mess.

The VM says I know you still Love me,but I think you can't get over me because you can't get over yourself! Since you didn't listen to me before I divorced you(thats the fog we are not yet divorced)!!
I don't care what you think my penis is doing,if you don't pay 400 a month.I'm going to go bankrupt and then the landlord will go after you.Plus are credit will be all messed up,i'm looking to the future here.I see you going down a bad path,and just like before your not listening to me.
Now it's... you should pay the 400,no matter what.I can't promise i'll give up Ow.When before he was saying he would if I payed the 400.
He also said if you want us to ever work then you need to be lovable.And the actions in court,and you being stuborn show me you don't know what LOVE IS <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> !

That Boggles my mind,I know Love doesn't suck the life out of people and leave them.I stood by him for so long..how can he doubt my Love(now dwindling)!!
He'll leave a message like "everytime you eat think of me and how I have nothing".

Yesterday,he was suppost to come for a visit with son,called said he had to work all day long..and plus he was not feeling well.

He will maybe come once a week to see his son for 30 min.
So a friend of mine and me went past our old place,one of the OW was at our old place.
They were inside and no one noticed us drive by.She was there all day into the evening when they left together to go to her place to sleep.
They didn't notice we fallowed them a mile away.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />
MY MOUTH DROPPED TO THE FLOOR,SHE LIVED AT THE SAME APARTMENT BUILDING WE FIRST LIVED IN WHEN WE GOT MARRIED!!!!
We had so many good memories there,and he now is staying in the same place...What trying to recreate them!?
He's still seeing BOTH ow,at least I know were they live for future referance..if WS gets our son everyother weekend he's not to have him around them until divorce is final.

He's yelling on the voice mails and he seems very angry..says life has sh*t on him,and how could I do this if I really loved him.

I'm going out to buy those books....

Mary, life is what you make it, and he has made his a mess, no ones fault except his own.. hopefully, for his own good, someday he will realize this and quit blaming everyone his for HIS problems. Doesn't appear to me that he as taken the first step yet. On the other hand, you appear to becoming stonger and stonger, keep up the good work.. and try to continue to let go... I wouldn't advise following them around...try to let it go...
Stay strong,
Dave

He called again today left another message,saying the landlord has found someone to rent the place.
And he has to be out by this Sunday!!
He also said he had no idea where he would be moving.He didn't know when he would be able to pop by and see our son.He said thanx for making me homeless,and for showing how much he ment to me,by allowing this to happen to him.Now he's having to move on Thanksgiving.Bye

That was it,he sounded like he was in Panic mode.How could he not know where he's moving in by the weekend!? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

This will be interesting...i'll update when i know more.

Hang tough, he will be desparate and say anything at this point to get some stability. If he says he wants to come back, make him show you before he ever gets a foot in the door. I think that he will try to get back into your home, then weasel around for a while, before he 'sets himself up' again, or worse, tries to make you set him up.

Don't let him back until he has proven that he wants to be there for you and your boy. Don't allow him to make you feel guilty. It is just a ploy. I can see it now. I hope I am wrong, but expect for him to come crawling back saying whatever he thinks will get him a bed to sleep in. Prepare yourself for all the wonderful things that he will say, because if you are not prepared, they will catch you off guard. Think of his actions, not his words.

You know your heart. He knows your heart, he just doesn't know his own. He knows how to pursue you and get to you. He has found that the threats and guilt will not work, so he will move to a more sinister form of manipulation, such as 'very conditional love'. Don't fall for it. If he is sincere, then he will crash with a buddy until he has proven to you that he is real. He will not do this, not yet. He will try to come straight at you with all the words you want to hear, but none of the conviction or dedication that your relationship needs.

Take care. Stay strong. I hope I am wrong on all accounts.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">If he says he wants to come back, make him show you before he ever gets a foot in the door. I think that he will try to get back into your home, then weasel around for a while, before he 'sets himself up' again, or worse, tries to make you set him up.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The good thing about this is he can't get his foot in the door here(he's moving out of the place we lived at together).He told us to leave,so our son and I moved in with my parents.And my parents would never let him stay here!
But I can see him trying to get me to set him up.But in his brain he feels like i'm a bad person.And has tried every attempt EXCEPT ACTIONS with giving up OW.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Don't allow him to make you feel guilty. It is just a ploy. I can see it now. I hope I am wrong, but expect for him to come crawling back saying whatever he thinks will get him a bed to sleep in. Prepare yourself for all the wonderful things that he will say, because if you are not prepared, they will catch you off guard. Think of his actions, not his words.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">It is a ploy,he is so used to getting what he wants..his parents have always bailed him out of things,and truly he's either a USER or Just needs to really grow up!!
But he's smooth with the ladies that one's for sure....and acts on emotion.He told me that the OW took advantage of him because he was weak,but since I'm not there for him when he really needs me(money*right now)....he's alot happier with the OW.
I've asked him in the past why he's cheating on both of the Ow with each other.He never answered me..

You know your heart. He knows your heart, he just doesn't know his own.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> Thats very true....I just hope that if he IS GOING TO GET HIS ACT TOGETHER...he chooses to do it soon,our divorce is final in 2 months.Unless I put a hold on it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> CONFUSION AHHHHH!!!

He has found that the threats and guilt will not work, so he will move to a more sinister form of manipulation, such as 'very conditional love'. Don't fall for it. If he is sincere, then he will crash with a buddy until he has proven to you that he is real. He will not do this, not yet. He will try to come straight at you with all the words you want to hear, but none of the conviction or dedication that your relationship needs.

Very good advice..i'll keep my head up...do you think he'll ever stop trying to USE people,or can it be a flaw in him that he will never get over!?

Mary, hope you had a good Thanksgiving...FC, gave you some good advise.. be prepared... when you are desperate(WS) you will do about anything...I know you are too smart and too stong to be fooled.
Take care,
Dave

Hi Dave and FC and everyone else Happy Thanksgiving!!

I took my little guy out for lunch and we read books and had a pretty good day.Haven't heard a THING from WS,no Happy thanksgiving no nothing.Sometimes I wonder how he can live with himself....he's replaced me with both OW. And now he really could care less about our son.
This seems so unnormal,I could Never write my son off.I wanted our son to have a nice two parent home/with brothers and sisters and family values.
It's a Dream that seems sooo far away now!!
Wow there's nothing like being a single parent <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />
I can't fill both the roles can I !?
Maybe WS got the ow to take him in,i'll be very careful <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Happy Thanksgiving

He stopped by today for 10 min,to drop off two boxes.He was very brief,he didn't have time to stay and see our son.He had his works van,told me the place is empty.He gave alot of our stuff to good will.And the rest of it is at his aunts and friends houses.The boxes were all his pictures even childhood pics and baby toys of when he was a baby.He told me to save them for our son.
He looked good but he hasn't shaved and thats wierd for him! He made a comment before he left "If you really loved me why would you be doing this to me!?" and " I think the amount of child support is too much,If I have to fire my attorney and get a new one I will."
I'm living were ever I can live right now,and shortly i'll have my own place.I'll probly have to grab another job too.
He left I started crying,he was gone and didn't see this. I feel like i'm in this VERY BAD dream..it also doesn't help my uncle just found out he has lung cancer,and there giving him a year to live.
Other then that were hanging in here <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

Hi,
I haven't posted for afew days.
Do not feel sorry for his child support. This is his responsibility and if you take the resposibility away, you are enabling him, you know this.
I saw your pictures, you are such a pretty girl!
You feel bad now because you are in love with your husband(even though youfeel that you may hate him at times) and you want to do what is right for your marriage and the babies.

Why can't my son find someone like you!

I am going through a bad time in my marriage too, even though I am 160 yrs old, it still hurts almost as much as it did at your age! Hard to believe-I know.
I am thinking of you. Keep it up and REMEMBER that you are a good, beautiful woman that wants the best for children! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Hi Ezra,
Thank you for the kind words... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> I can't beleive he would be complaining over 110.00 a week in child support.
He called me while I was out at dinner with a girlfriend(sunday night). I told him I couldn't talk,but asked how he was doing?!
He said not very well,sounded like he was going to burst into tears.He told me he would try to visit our son(monday morning).I told him that would be good to call back.
His cell phone was turned off as of this morning.So now he lives with who ever probly OW,has no cell phone,has no car insurance..what *great choices he's making for Dec-11th when they do the assessment.My lawyer said there is no way he will be able to get our son with no home,and son cannot be in the pressence of OW.
So we are going on 2 in a half weeks of him NOT SEEING HIS SON!!
My little guy sits on the couch looks out the window and says DADA DADA. I wonder how much this is gonna affect him in the long run!?
How can he ABandon his son,emotionally and with money??
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> Were going to have to go after him for child support looks like he hasn't worked in 2 weeks at his job too!!!

Dec 3rd..the day ws and I met back in 1993. What a suprise <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> He called me from work,and asked me to meet him at his work for his lunch break..and to bring our son.Aggggh.. I went ,I know I know!
We went to Arby's I ended up buying him and our son lunch,cause he forgot to bring his wallet. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

He talked mostly,told me he was looking for a room somewhere to rent for a whole 300 a month.And he wants son every other weekend there..ya right!!!!!!~
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
He started talking to the table next to us...it was a women and her two kids he was flirting with her.Then he started talking again to me!

Same old lines "Look in the mirrior look what you've done to me"."Your taking all my money"(even though I haven't seen any of it yet).
He said to me "Mary,how would you feel if someone took your child away from you,made you out to look like a bad guy.Take away my money when you don't need it you make more then me".Then he says I'm selfish,i'm worldly(were in the world did he get that one from <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> )I'm far from that!!!!!!

I said well Ken in 10 years who will you be blaming then!? I've noticed every choice he makes he blames me! EVEN His morals,he twists it around somehow and I'm the one with moral flaws.....that makes sense <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> ! I've always been the one labled the GOOD GIRL..I've been with only him,i haven't had sex in God knows how long now and I'm the one with problems. Then he says of course I'm going to stay over Ow'ens places when he has no where to go.
WS says I'm a hippy at heart I would never do anything to hurt anyone.He's far from that!

Then he says PROVE IT TO ME....SHOW ME YOU CARE.
Sign a lease with me so I can get an appartment(studio)somewhere,show me that you don't want to screw me over! Help pay for my cell to be turned back on again!

THEN he says Go watch the movie STEP MOM,cause thats the way your life will be if we get a divorce.I said you maybe seeing me very happy with someone else,and someone else being a DAD to our son since his dad can't step up to the plate!
Then I said go watch the movie ENOUGH because thats what I should have done to you!!
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Had to vent sorry Of course I cannot give him any money.....in 10 years will he still be blaming me,and throwing OW in my face!!

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