LetSTry

There are success stories out there. I have a friend who got dv, & was sober 12 or 13 years (or so) when he and his XW rode from Fl to TX for a funeral and ended up getting remarried! He was sooo cute and the look in his eyes when he spoke of her was precious! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> He had been a terrible verbal abuser and thru AA become a soft, gentle man.

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On another note, my assistant didn't work today & called me late in the day all upset about her H. They had gotten DV in 99 cuz she said he didn't talk with her, it was like they were roomates and other issues. They stayed DV for 3 years and then remarried. She said she didn't want to go back to where they were but she told me today that is exactly where they are.

Her H drinks and my first time meeing him, he was a bear. She also told me one time that he might have been having an A.

I told her about this site when I first met her (almost a year ago) but this afternoon she asked me what site I had been talking about. Yes! Finally! I also told her that MB and alanon where my life savers.

It was me who learned a lot from her - she didn't have a plan when they got back together. They also didn't learn what it took to have a good relationship. This is not to blame, I am just making an observation on what I see.

This makes me soooo gratefull for MB (and alanon)

D.

Ditto the gratitude for MB and Al-Anon!

2003 will be a MUCH better year than 2002! Anyone else feel that way?

D.

Hi everyone....I have been reading this thread everyday but I have stayed away from commenting because I didn't want to add fuel to the fire with Lurkingabout and hi-jack the thread. Besides you guys were doing a great job in commenting for me <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> . I will just say that I feel notpeachy hit it exactly what I have been doing in my opinion.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> What Cajunky has done is careful and very loving work. He's stayed away, been supportive when he could be, and a good listener. He has done everything (great plan A) to change the situation that was negative on his side. No groveling or begging wife, no stalking nor is he being in any way disrespectful. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Letstry wrote:

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Cajunky once responded to me in his weekly prayer thread, that I can't pray for marriage restoration as long as my H is using, but I can pray for his sobriety. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I know from experience that when the addiction rules your life that nothing else matters. You will sacrifice everything for it. I can honestly say that when I pray on Weds. I pray for the healing of all the ones with spouses that have an addiction that is getting in the way of restoration. You have to be free of the bondage that is holding you to the sinful life that you are in.

I know patience is a hard thing to have in a marriage restoration situation but we have to have it. You guys told me last week to have lots of patience with my wife and gave me some very good advice, but I want it fixed now. I know God will do it on his time but it is so hard waiting for him isn't it?

God worked in my life today too. I had the opportunity to have dinner with my wife and kids again tonite and for the first time in a very long time I felt pretty dang comfortable around her. We laughed a little bit together and talked a little bit at dinner. It was still a little awkward but it was much better than the bowling nite. It was so funny but today I was having one of those impatient days and I got this in my e-mail. God is so good with his timing.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">IS YOUR MARRIAGE HOPELESS?

Do you feel your marriage is "hopeless?" There are many people hoping
that their marriage will be restored, but are not willing to rebuild
their marriage on the solid rock of Jesus Christ. Many of you are
standing for your marriage, but do you really believe that God will
bring your spouse home! You need to hear from the Lord and then stand
forever waiting on God's promises!

Have you asked God to show you His will and plan for your marriage?
You need to go to the Lord. Seek the Lord with all your heart. Put
praise music on and worship your Lord, read the Word and wait for the
Lord's answers. Ask the Lord to show you answers that only He knows
and ask God's to show you strongly His direction for your marriage
restoration. Pray for God to show you a sign, give you a dream, or a
"rhema" Word as an additional confirmation. If you are His child, our
Heavenly Father loves you unconditionally and will talk to you about
all your circumstances and concerns! He has a plan and a purpose for
you and your marriage.

"Find rest, O my soul, in God alone; my hope comes from him."
Psalm 62:5

"For I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord. "Plans
to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a
future. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and
I will listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you seek
me with all your heart." Jeremiah 29:11-13

God's timing is not always pleasing to us. We are very impatient
people. We live in an instant society, full of microwaves and
drive-thru fast foods restaurants. I have learned since my standing
and growing in the Lord, God's timing is perfect and not one minute
early!! We Christians do not like this. In fact, we often grumble,
complain, mutter, and even give up on waiting for God's perfect gift
or promise because we are too impatient! God's timing is strategic
often to receive the fulfillment of God's promises. It never comes
early or late!

"But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a
woman, born under law." Galatians 4:4

"Then the Lord replied: ‘Write down the revelation and make it
plain on tablets so that a herald may run with it. For the
revelation awaits an appointed time; it speaks of the end and
will not prove false. Though it linger, wait for it; it will
certainly come and will not delay." Habakkuk 2:2-3

"And let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper
time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up." Galatians 6:9

Who are you listening to? The Lord or the enemy? The enemy is now
attacking you! Yes, the enemy is attacking your mind! The enemy is
trying to convince you that your marriage and all the circumstances
are hopeless! The enemy wants you give up on your marriage, to give
up on your spouse. STOP! What is God asking and telling you to do?
That is the most important secret to understanding what the Lord's
will is in your life. God does speak to us so many times, but often
we do not seek or hear His voice of directions! Start thinking about
how you found us or what songs do you keep hearing on the radio? What
is that small inner voice saying to you? Are you afraid to believe
that it is God's voice, not just your thoughts?

"I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order
that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches
of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably
great power for us who believe." Ephesians 1:18-19

All of us are afraid to trust and believe our Lord God for miracles.
We do not feel worthy. The enemy is always telling you how unworthy
you are and reminds you daily of all your past and present sins. We
need to remember that God is the General in charge of your entire
life. He is the head and you need to surrender everything to Him.
Join God's army and realize that it is not your reputation that is in
the balance, but God's reputation.

Nothing is hopeless with God. We need to believe in His mighty power!
Do you believe that the devil is stronger and can win by destroying
your marriage and your family? You need to believe and know that your
God can rebuild, restore and reconcile your marriage. Put all your
hope into your Lord Jesus Christ.

"Being confident of this that he who began a good work in you
will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus."
Philippians 1:6

"You are God my Savior, and my hope is in you all day long."
Psalm 25:5

"Those who hope in the Lord will inherit the land." Psalm 37:9

"I have put my hope in your word." Psalm 119:74

"For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope
at all. Who hopes for what he already has? But if we hope for
what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently." Romans 8:24-25

I pray that any and all your hopelessness is leaving you right now,
in the name of Jesus. When you start reading and studying the Word of
God, it will strengthen you body, soul and spirit.

"For everything that was written in the past was written to teach
us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the
Scriptures we might have hope." Romans 15:4

Is your marriage hopeless? No, not when you have your Lord God on your
team! Believe in His mighty divine power and His love for your family!

"Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what
we do not see." Hebrews 11:1

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">We just have to remember that Gods timing is never as swift as ours but it is always right.

Yes, I feel 2003 is going to be a much better year for my family.
Love in Christ
cajunky

<small>[ January 13, 2003, 10:26 PM: Message edited by: cajunky ]</small>

Cajunky,

I get the same emails but printed this out for my prayer and meditation time this evening. When i first got the email, I read a little of it, then deleted it. You see I am disgusted, hurt, angry and just plain sick of living like we have been living. I don't even want to be around him (which is not very often at this point) While I don't feel that our M is hopeless, it is in it's present state. Please pray for guidance and wisdom for me to know what God is saying to me when he says "Let Go"
Let go of my grip?
Let go of my expectations?
Let go of my M?
Let go of my trying to control the situation under the guise of "protecting me and the kids"?
Let go of my WH and his problems? (Which also affect me ant the kids)

Thanks,

D.

This just came via email ............

Subject: Necklace

The cheerful little girl with bouncy golden curls was almost five. Waiting with her mother at the checkout stand, she saw them, a circle of glistening white pearls in a pink foil box.

Oh mommy please, Mommy. Can I have them? Please, Mommy, please?"

Quickly the mother checked the back of the little foil box and then looked back into the pleading blue eyes of her little girl's upturned face.

"A dollar ninety-five. That's almost $2.00. If you really want them, I'll think of some extra chores for you and in no time you can save enough money to buy them for yourself. Your birthday's only a week away and you might get another crisp dollar bill from Grandma."

As soon as Jenny got home, she emptied her penny bank and counted out
17 pennies. After dinner, she did more than her share of chores and she went to the neighbor and asked Mrs. McJames if she could pick dandelions for ten cents. On her birthday, Grandma did give her another new dollar bill and at last she had enough money to buy the necklace.

Jenny loved her pearls. They made her feel dressed up and grown up. She wore them everywhere, Sunday school, kindergarten, even to bed. The only time she took them off was when she went swimming or had a bubble bath. Mother said if they got wet, they might turn her neck green.

Jenny had a very loving daddy and every night when she was ready for bed, he would stop whatever he was doing and come upstairs to read her a story. One night as he finished the story, he asked Jenny, "Do you love me?"

"Oh yes, daddy. You know that I love you."

"Then give me your pearls."

"Oh, daddy, not my pearls. But you can have Princess, the white horse from my collection, the one with the pink tail. Remember, daddy? The one you gave me. She's my very favorite."

"That's okay, Honey, daddy loves you. Good night." And he brushed her cheek with a kiss.

About a week later, after the story time, Jenny's daddy asked again, "Do you love me?"

"Daddy, you know I love you."

"Then give me your pearls."

"Oh Daddy, not my pearls. But you can have my baby doll. The brand new one I got for my birthday. She is beautiful and you can have the yellow blanket that matches her sleeper."

"That's okay. Sleep well. God bless you, little one. Daddy loves you." And as always, he brushed her cheek with a gentle kiss.

A few nights later when her daddy came in, Jenny was sitting on her bed with her legs crossed Indian-style.

As he came close, he noticed her chin was trembling and one silent tear rolled down her cheek.

"What is it, Jenny? What's the matter?"

Jenny didn't say anything but lifted her little hand up to her daddy. And when she opened it, there was her little pearl necklace. With a little quiver, she finally said, "Here, daddy, this is for you."

With tears gathering in his own eyes, Jenny's daddy reached out with one hand to take the dime-store necklace, and with the other hand he reached into his pocket and pulled out a blue velvet case with a strand of genuine pearls and gave them to Jenny.

He had them all the time. He was just waiting for her to give up the dime-store stuff so he could give her the genuine treasure.

So it is, with our Heavenly Father. He is waiting for us to give up the cheap things in our lives so that he can give us beautiful treasures.

Isn't God good? Are you holding onto things that God wants you to let go of? Are you holding on to harmful or unnecessary partners, relationships, habits and activities that you have come so attached to that it seems impossible to let go? Sometimes it is so hard to see

what is in the other hand but do believe this one thing ....

God will never take away something without giving you something better in its place.

I think D the situation calls us to have faith. Kinda like blind faith right now. Place your whole life, including kids and marriage and you, in God's hands. Give it to him. And don't tell God one day you're His and then only take back that control the next day. That's what I did. It is confusing. An airplane has only one pilot and one copilot.

So give it to God. The whole. The entire life and situations surrounding your life. You CAN pray for your WH. I pray for mine although now I am madder than heck at him. I understand he is lost. I don't hate him. I hate what he has become. Not who he is now. I know that there can be no contact between he or I as long as he is doing this in his life. So I am forging a new path ahead. And so far God has been good. Although stbx hasn't paid me and we are having to probably go to court within 2 weeks to enforce the temporary spousal and child support agreement that is already in place. You can always pray. But in the meanwhile, do what God would want us to do. Live well. Be close to Him. Make responsible decisions with our brains, not our emotions when it c omes to being unequally yoked with someone who doesn't want any yoking at all with anyone (no yoke intended, lol) and find the joy in the little stuff of life. That is keeping us in the middle lane of life. That way we are neutral and can move into either the right or left lane or make a quick turn should God let us know or give us the direction. That is what I am doing. And it is not flying blind. I don't know what God has in store for me, but it will be good. I know that in my heart and in my soul.

I appreciate the posts that both of you had here.
WGTT and Peachy you are both so strong, you help me more often then you will ever know.

WGTT, I printed and put this sentence on my fridge:

GOD WILL NEVER TAKE SOMETHING AWAY WITHOUT GIVING US SOMETHING BETTER IN IT'S PLACE.

Peachy, thank you for reminding me that I have given this over to God, and not to try to keep taking it back.

Thinking of and praying for both of you today.
God Bless.

patti

patti,

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> GOD WILL NEVER TAKE SOMETHING AWAY WITHOUT GIVING US SOMETHING BETTER IN IT'S PLACE.

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">In the coaching mentor program that I just started, the same thing was presented. The good life isn't just about doing good things, it's about making room for the good. Sometimes God wants us to have something good, but are so filled with stuff" that there is no room. It's like a law of nature - there is no vacume.

That being said, we have to continually examine what we do have to see is better isn't getting in the way of the best!
God Bless,

D.

Peachy,

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> think D the situation calls us to have faith. Kinda like blind faith right now. Place your whole life, including kids and marriage and you, in God's hands. Give it to him. And don't tell God one day you're His and then only take back that control the next day. That's what I did. It is confusing. An airplane has only one pilot and one copilot.

So give it to God. The whole. The entire life and situations surrounding your life. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Thank you for gently nudging me, I do realize that I have done the same thing. I gave it to God, but I take it back, or become impatient, or don't like what He is seemingly telling me. The pilot has to be God, yet so many times I want to tell him how to fly the plane and say "come on, this isn't going fast enough, or no, I don't want to go here ..."

There have been times throughout all of this that I have had a hard time praying. Early on, some good prayer warriors told me not to worry about it, that they would pray for me, for my WH and our family. What a relief!

Next weekend, our prayer group is having a conference and I had debated whether or not to go. Today, I booked a 2 BR condo so the kids could go too. I really need to be immersed in the power of God. At this point I have no idea how it will be paid for, but I am trusting God will find a way.

God Bless,

D.

Today, WH to me about having someone else take over the operation he is overseeing so he can go back into sales. He talked about getting "out of this place" and working the area in Florida where OS lives and goes to school.

He sounded different tonight, like he may be hitting a bottom. (Too early to tell) Earlier this week, he said that his name is crap in the town where he grew up (that's where he is now) OS told me that too when we were all up there for the holidays. He said he used to feel good being a (last name) but now he's doesn't even want to tell people. WH is getting a lot of pressure from people he owes money to up there.

WH "borrowed" our personal money this month and said it would be returned in a day or two. It's now about 10 days. This I can't live with. If it was strictly a business thing, and WH was a loving devoted husband, I would go to the ends of the earth for him. But he's not, and I'm not willing to live like this any more.

With all that is going on, I wonder if something happened with OW2. I have no idea. All I know is that I don't believe anything he says and it's just much easier to come from that perspective.

God keeps telling me to let go. I must continue to ask what He really means by that. Today I called a very close friend and prayer buddy to ray for wisdom (there's that word again) and guidance for me. My friend has never experience any thing close to what I am goin thru, but she is still a comfort. She told me that I sounded better, that I didnt sound so desparate, that I didn't regret any thing that I have done, that I have a direction even if I don't have the destination yet.

One thing I don't want WH to think he can just waltz back into our lives. This marriage is in shambles skattered all over the place. All the damage isn't even on the surface. There is so much damage to our hearts, yet God is a mighty God. He could do it, and here it is again, WOULD he do it?

I need refilling! A spiritual charge of sorts. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> God Bless,

D.

WGTT-

Ok, since I'm struggling just like you, I would like once again to throw in my two cents.

Does it help to say that things are not always so black and white, so cut and dry?

No. I didn't think so.

However, I have learned that sometimes God wants us exactly where we are at the present moment - confusion and all.

Why?

Well, I've heard a multitude of reasons, but I think that the bottom line for us is that the desire to do God's will and be obedient is what is what is important to God.

And if we are making an honest effort in this regard, but praying, listening and keeping ourselves open to His plan, then I believe that He will guide us.

And how do we know that He is guiding us.

Well, I've heard this from many others and it seems to ring true.

When you feel a peace with your decision - whatever it is. When you feel POSITIVE feelings - because those come from God. The negative ones - well, you know where those come from.

I know that we want the answer to the big picture - like does God want me to stay in the marriage or not, but I'm beginning to think that we may not always get those answers from God - but that we get more of the answers to the minute by minute questions - like should I see the attorney today, what should I say to my WH, how do I help my kids with their problems today.

Because of free will of our spouses or ex spouses, we may not really know what the answer to the big questions are because maybe they will turn around, but only if we had say - for example - filed for divorce and that is what woke them up - or in my case - actually go to court over custody of the kids.

We just don't know, because sometimes, decisions that on the surface may seem "wrong" to us, may actually be "right."

Another example. I keep trying to give my ExH the benefit of the doubt and try to be nice to him, but I find that he keeps on doing really stupid and hurtful things. After 1 1/2 years, I'm thinking that maybe God is trying to tell me something and that maybe I am just not listening as I should. I know that we have to go to court, but I'm afraid too, but instead of trusting God that things will turn out ok - because I know that court is the right decision - I keep trying to find another way, and it just isn't happening. I also try to deal with exH the way he wants me too, but there again, also get hurt, frustrated and taken advantage of time and again, and obviously exH's way is NOT God's way, so I keep getting the same message from God there too, but since this listening to God thing is not an exact science and since I must be hard headed, maybe it is taking me more time than most to get the picture. I've also been told that because of my personality - the tenaciousness when it comes to marriage, that perhaps God is letting ex behave so badly because it's the only way I would have let the marriage and ex go - because I am finding out that we really did not have a marriage - at least not the kind God envisioned and that ex was NOT good for me or the kids.

Ok, now that I have you totally frustrated and confused, just let me end with this.

Trust your instincts - sometimes that's how God is speaking to you. Listen to wise counsel of others - another way God is speaking to you. Listen in prayer and try to find the decision that gives you peace.

And remember, above all, that God loves you so much. So much more than you can ever imagine and that because of this, He wants the best for you and your family and will guide you in the right path as you are faithful to him. Just continue to ask Him for all the graces and blessings that He has for you and your family and for lots of strength and help and guidance - and whether He has to hit you over the head with a brick - He'll get the message that He wants to you. You just have to trust that He will.

Hope that some of this makes sense to someone because I'm still such a work in progress and am learning that there are no quick and easy answers. I hate that! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> But that luckily, God is in control and not me! K

Just wanted to add this...

I read Jan 15ths reading in The Language of Letting Go by Melody Beattie - if you have the book you may want to read the excerpt and see what you think, it seemed to apply.

K

Hi K,

I was thinking about you last night! It's funny but it seems like a lot of the readings apply lately. I'm going to read that one again in the Language of letting go. (that is a good book!)

God Bless,

d

K,
Jan 15 th in the Language of Letting go had already been underlined! Some things became clearer this morning and feel at peace keeping the appointment with the attorney on the 31st. There were some ah hahs this morning & I wrote them in my journal.

I am really tired
& not sure that i am making any sense right now <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

D.

Good Morning!

This was posted to me on another thread & I wanted to share this ... </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> If you can see it, you can believe it, thats the first step when you see God perform a miracle for somebody crippled in a wheelchair and able to standup and walk out of a wheelchair for the first time, they saw themselves walking oneday. Our WS's crippled us, we come to MB's and we push each other around in our wheelchairs because we were knocked off our feet by d-day, but in time you gotta see yourself walking healthy again oneday, and on your day, you have to "RISE UP AND BE HEALED!!". God will walk you from the place you're at to a new place in life by your Faith! Your Faith can affect your environment and cause doors to open and things to grow and prosper around you. Just as Adam and Eve's Sin even caused the very ground around them to die by there Sin, So can your Faith in God give life to you and things around you. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">by Everlasting Compassion
It's beautiful!!!

This morning in Hope for Today, the subject was "letting go". I asked God what it meant so He is showing me in many ways including daily readings!

God Bless everyone today,

D.

In the Language of letting go - Dec 29th "Moving on" That reading hit home to me when I read it at the time. Today I reread it & got something different from it - "I will know. I will know."

I know sadly that it is time to move on. Because of recent events I need to protect me and the kids. Putting everything in God's hands. I hate this.

D.

I've been looking at the title to this thread since you began it and I've been wanting to say something. But I haven't worked up the courage yet. And I haven't read the whole thread, so, here I come and I may be repeating something said earlier. I don't know. But here goes....

God can restore your marriage, BUT He won't do it unless both parties give him the room to work.

He has given us the gift of free choice. He has given us the freedom to choose. So, if either party chooses to look the other way and to not make God-centered choices, the freedom to follow that path is available. If one person chooses not to follow the road to healing, God will allow them to do so. But God will provide strength for the road back if they choose to follow that route.

Do you follow me?

I think God meant for us to stay with the partners we first married. My x has told me all along that he thought he was on good terms with God but he left me and the children. Right now, he still thinks - though he is married to another woman - that he is in good shape with God. I would like for it to have been otherwise but I could not make him change his mind. Neither could the church leaders who talked with him before he left.

But we do have free choice. Given by God. And that means that, sometimes, God doesn't get His way, either.

Cinderella..... You hit a great point. I have been trying to let my wife see your exact point. God will work miracles in the healing of a marriage if both people give it to him to do it and put him in the middle.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> God can restore your marriage, BUT He won't do it unless both parties give him the room to work.

He has given us the gift of free choice. He has given us the freedom to choose. So, if either party chooses to look the other way and to not make God-centered choices, the freedom to follow that path is available. If one person chooses not to follow the road to healing, God will allow them to do so. But God will provide strength for the road back if they choose to follow that route.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yes, God has given us the freedom to choose and he won't interfere with our choices but he will put his voice in our heads to try and guide us.

I have written before that I can take you to the exact spot where God was telling me to turn back and go home when I was going to have my last affair but I didn't listen and paid a dear price for it.

We just need to learn to listen when God is talking to us and we can save our marriages.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by cinderella:
<strong>...sometimes, God doesn't get His way, either.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">EXCUUUUUUUUUUUSE ME?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Sorry, Cinderella, I don't buy that. I DO believe we can (and often do) thwart God's will for awhile by our poor choices....

But to believe that PUNY man (or woman) could UNDO God's perfect plan for all of humanity just by "not wanting to do" something, thereby completely negating God's ability to work?

Nah. Can't buy into that thinking. God is omniscient. He is all Powerful. Yes, we may be able to run from God, try to do things OUR OWN WAY. For awhile. But I DOUBT we can hold back His perfect Will for very long. Eventually every child of God's must be brought back to Him, to His Plan for their lives. Otherwise, why would they want to enter His kingdom and fellowship with Him in all of etermity? And if they do not, then maybe they were never headed there in the first place....

Sorry, just don't buy this argument that our free will stops the ALL POWERFUL CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE in His tracks.