Welcome to the
Marriage Builders® Discussion Forum

This is a community where people come in search of marriage related support, answers, or encouragement. Also, information about the Marriage Builders principles can be found in the books available for sale in the Marriage Builders® Bookstore.
If you would like to join our guidance forum, please read the Announcement Forum for instructions, rules, & guidelines.
The members of this community are peers and not professionals. Professional coaching is available by clicking on the link titled Coaching Center at the top of this page.
We trust that you will find the Marriage Builders® Discussion Forum to be a helpful resource for you. We look forward to your participation.
Once you have reviewed all the FAQ, tech support and announcement information, if you still have problems that are not addressed, please e-mail the administrators at mbrestored@gmail.com
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 1,398
S
Member
OP Offline
Member
S
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 1,398
........to reconcile a marriage?.....what is the limit?

Joined: May 2003
Posts: 151
P
Member
Offline
Member
P
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 151
I think that depends on each individual. What I can forgive someone else may not. I'm sure my x and I could've gotten back together and things could've worked. I think any couple can work things out but of course it would take lots of work and commitment.

My friend had an A and so did her H at the same time, they decided to work on their marriage. Well the other night he went out with a guy that is a total partier and didn't come home till 2:30 am, didn't even ask my friend if she minded if he went out. In fact he knew she didn't want him going out to the bars because they were supposed to be working on thier M. Needless to say when talking to her H, he said he's been giving 100 %. HUH? going out till 2:30am is giving a 100%? Then says that when she said he could'nt go out to the bars again that it made him want to go even more.

I just gave her a funny look and shook my head. My friend is now consulting a lawyer, she's done trying. So I guess that is her limit, she's been with him for 6 yrs and can't take anymore lies, and not putting his family first.

I tried to tell her that there might be bumps in the road on the way to recovery but not to give up so quickly. She said she just can't do it anymore, she's not giving up so quickly it's been going on for years and if he really wanted to work on the M he would TRY to handle things differently. In her eyes her H doesn't have the commitment to work on their M and doesn't want to get hurt any longer.

Joined: May 2002
Posts: 219
N
Member
Offline
Member
N
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 219
Many times my says that too much damage has been done and that it would be easier to start over w/someone else. His main problem is how he is viewed by family and friends after carrying on an EA/PA for 1 1/2 yrs.

He claims I have done the damage by telling my family and friends what's been going on. Harley says to expose the A. H says there is no A so I'm just making him look bad. My venting to a good friend is viewed as badmouthing him, but his talking to OW about our marriage is just counseling w/a friend.

Other damage: he left me for 4 months during which he saw OW. He's taped (yes, illegally) my phones conversations for months. He's threatened to not pay child support. He's lied about practically anything and everything. And most recently--he has booked a vacation somewhere. Won't tell me when or where he's going, but I'm suppose to accept this <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> He claims he is going alone and contact has ended w/OW. Yeah right!

I gave him a list of MC and mediators (to divide up marital assets and prepare sep. agreement) and told him to choose. I will make the appointment. I doubt he will choose an MC. What good would a MC do at this point?

Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 309
M
Member
Offline
Member
M
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 309
Hi,

Yes I think there is a point where the line in the sand turns out to be a line in rock. Some people go on for years and finally give up while others only allow a short period and then end the relationship. But everyone hits a point where they refuse to live their life like that. This is not just true for a marriage it can be related to any area of our lives.

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 138
F
Member
Offline
Member
F
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 138
my boiling point was finding out about the 1st A (the only one I believed, umm humm a one night stand) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> being crushed, working on everything & anything...MB DR. Harvey's principles...prayers...blaming myself...all the emotional rollercoaster feelings up and down, highs and lows...
and then realizing I had been cheated since day one of our M. I think that was the intial thing that hardened my heart for wanting to make my M work.
All the work I put into feeling secure in my M & now I'll never trust that I'm good enough.
That, is just way tooooo much for me. I have hopes for seeing him a decent man someday but for right now, I see it as a blessing he isn't trying to woo me into getting back together.
Trust one thing...there would be no woo'ing! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

what's done has been done & I strongly believe everything good or bad, happens for a reason.

Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 205
P
Member
Offline
Member
P
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 205
For me, it was.....

We had talked early in our marriage about how we would handle it if one of us had an A. He said he thought he could get past it, but I always said that that would be it for me.

Dday, he called me from his cell phone parked a few blocks from the house because he thought he wouldn't be coming home. I told him to get home so we could get things figured out, and that we could get past it.

Then a month of continually finding out things were worse than he had admitted - every time, me telling him to tell me everything, because every time I found out he had lied again, it made it worse. That to me, the lying was worse than the affair.

Then Christmas, where he tried to stay home and send me alone to visit my family for a week, saying he thought that was the best way for him to work on "us." <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> When I refused, he eventually went with, telling me while we were gone that he had planned to leave me while I was gone. We ended the trip with him promising to go to counseling and end the A.

For a month, we went to a minister at our church who is also MC, while he moped around, refused to do any of the stuff we were supposed to do, and generally made us both miserable. And then he moved out to be with her.

Two days later, he wanted to come home. I said no, but said I was STILL willing to work on the marriage, but that he had to go NC, and go to MC. I even made arrangements for places for him to live.

Over the next couple of months I found out (on my own - he didn't tell me) that a)he didn't meet her at work like he'd told me, he met her through personals, and that he'd been doing the personals for at least a year or two before he met her, and that she likely wasn't the first, and b)that he had NEVER quit living with her, and had been lying to both me and our MC for months, saying he was really working on things, and that he wasn't in contact with her.

Oh, and somewhere in there, I also found out that he had not intended to tell me, the only reason he told me is because she was going to, and he was beating her to it. I honestly believe that his goal was to get things back to what they were before - him living with me, and with me PAYING for everything and indulging his love of gadgets and toys (which I had been doing for years) while he used the money he made (not quite as much as I made, but not significantly less either) to run around with other women behind my back.

In all this, he tried to act very sorry at times, but I think his only real remorse was that he got caught. Not too long ago, he was putting personals out again - so he's already working on cheating on her.

I decided that I could be like a lot of women I've known who tolerate this behavior for years, insisting every time that he's changed, and live through this pain continually for perhaps the rest of my life, or I could cut my losses now.

And believe me, I'm someone who never, ever thought she would get divorced. I just didn't believe in it - we used to joke all the time that we were "stuck" with each other, because marriage was a one-time thing. But someone who could use me so callously, and lie about so many things (frequently even things that really didn't matter,) and who could write me a love poem which he put on a handmade card for Valentine's Day, talking about how sorry he was for the hurt he caused me, and how he wished he could take it all away, while he was still living with her..... and who could be so careless about MY life (he didn't use protection, and was with me after being with her).... this is not someone I will EVER be able to trust again.

Being alone would be better than that.

Wow, that turned into more of a vent than I'd intended. Those little rants are getting fewer and further between all the time, but they still pop out from time to time.

At any rate, I still hope he can change his life and come back to God. I am a Christian, very active in my church, and so was he..... (though can you believe, he brought her to church twice before DDay; once when I was there, and once when I was out of town. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> ) I have taken to praying for him.... both of them actually.... whenever I start having angry or vengeful thoughts about him. So he's been receiving a whole lot of prayers that start out "God, You know I won't mean these things eventually, and I'm working on it, so please ignore these thoughts while I work on getting my anger under control...." I do want him to get his life back on the right track, I sincerely hope he does. But even if he does, it can't be with me.

Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 185
C
Member
Offline
Member
C
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 185
StartinOver-

Reading suggestion: "Boundaries" by Dr. Cloud's and Townsend, for starters.

Through the establishment of boundaries in any area of our lives, marriages being the case here, and sharing them with those we have obligation and committment too, both parties know the limits and choose either to honor or dishonor them.

It's then left to us, who have established the boundaries, to inform what's been crossed and the consequences of the transgressor's actions.

As we not only talk the talk but walk the walk of our boundaries a sensitivity develops toward those same people who have their own set of boundaries.

What boundaries have you established and to what degree and frequency have they been crossed? No need to answer this here, just food for thought <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />


Link Copied to Clipboard
Forum Search
Who's Online Now
1 members (1 invisible), 731 guests, and 57 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
Bibbyryan860, Ian T, SadNewYorker, Jay Handlooms, GrenHeil
71,838 Registered Users
Building Marriages That Last A Lifetime
Copyright © 1995-2019, Marriage Builders®. All Rights Reserved.
Site Navigation
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5