Sometimes one must bring ones own prybar. I think if you can't bring your own, God will send reinforcements. *snaps gloves, readies for cranial-rectal inversion*

You know all this, though. That's what saddens me about you, hold. That you know what you do that is wrong, and you choose to do it anyway. That you choose it BECAUSE you know it is wrong, and you do it out of punishment.

I'm all about consequences.

I can't back punishments, not when doled out by laymen.

I can DO them, errantly, but support them intellectually or spiritually? No.

Marriage is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. Second marriage is the triumph of hope over experience.
(Oscar Wilde)