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OK its been about three weeks since I've learned of my wife's affairs... And I know I dont want to love without her But I just cant stop thinking about things.
I still don't trust her when she tells me they never slept in our bed, and I worry when I go to work or she goes out. I dont understand how she could be intimate with another man for over a year without feeling somthing for me when she says she so much wants to fix things now.<p>I'm angry for the fact she let it start. I'm angry that she was never guilty when they had sex. I'm afraid that my entire 7 year marraige was a lie since the first time was on the night I proposed to her, then for a month four years later, then for the last year and a half. That she just wants me because she doesn't have an income to support herself.<p>I know that I do love her, and I want to go on, but I dont know how I can get the trust back, and let us go on with life.<p>Whats the secret?

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I think you answered your own question. You have a wife who has had constant affairs and does not feel guilty about having sex with other men. She cheated on you on the night you proposed to her?
Clearly your wife does not have a moral compass and you believe she is holding on to you for financial reasons. She is a cakewoman who enjoys being with other men but also likes the status and security of being married to you.
I would suggest that you seek counseling to understand why you are willing to accept so little in your life in having a wife who constantly puts your health at risk by having affairs with other men while being married to you. I feel sorry for you and truly hope you get into counseling to understand why you are willing to accept such behavior. This is her pattern of behavior so it is doubtful if she will change.

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dear pete-please be strong.i know exactly how you feel. i have been through the same. i wish i could give you a magic answer, but unfortunately there is none. please read all you can here and get the book surviving an affair-SAA. it may save you. ask all the questions you want-vent here-come up with a plan here,and the most important-get support here. i do believe you and she need counseling-together and separate. if you can the harleys are the way to go. good luck to you-hang in the boards are slow on the weekends.

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Hi Pete ~<p>Your pain is coming through loud and clear. Most of us have been there - we are all at different stages in this process.<p>You don't need to worry about forgiving OR forgetting right now. You are three weeks past d-day, and your life has just been completely turned upside down and inside out.<p>No matter the outcome in your marriage, you will never ever be the same again.<p>You need some time to adjust to your new reality. There is absolutely nothing wrong with seeking out a doctor for a prescription for antidepressants right now. And find yourself a therapist, or minister, or some trusted confidant to talk to about your pain and anguish. Janis Abrhams, in her book called "After the Affair" says that the betrayed spouse frequently suffers from post traumatic stress disorder. So treat yourself gently during this time, its OK to hurt.<p>You will never forget. Forgive perhaps, healing will take place and you will even trust again, but forget won't happen.<p>Right now, forgiveness, isn't possible, unless your wife is completely remorseful, asked for your forgiveness and is taking steps to hold herself accountable. If she isn't, well, then why would you forgive her? Does this mean you should be treating her badly, or trying to get revenge? Not at all. But until her actions are right - you won't be able to forgive her and recover your marriage.<p>If you can, please call the Harleys - set up an appointment thru the Counsel link at the top of the page. Steve or Jennifer will help give you a plan to follow to survive this. If your wife is willing, get her to participate also - Steve and Jennifer will give her a plan too, one that will result in an environment where forgiveness and healing and trust can start to form.<p>At the very least, give yourself at least 6 months before making any life altering decisions. Get your own head on straight first, don't do anything too rashly!

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Whether she had sex in your bed or not is irrelevant especially if she still did it in or outside your home. Her actions still dishonoured you and her marriage. If you have children you may want to order a paternity test to determine whether the children are yours. You may have wasted 7 years with this woman but the question you need to ask yourself is if you want to waste the next 20 years.

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Hi PeteT,<p>Welcome to MB! Sorry that you are going through so much pain right now. I can relate to what you're feeling... Here's my "story" web page<p>Only you can decide whether you want to continue your marriage or not. Right now (3 weeks after D-Day) is not the time to decide about a life changing event such as divorce.<p>Is your wife willing to go to a marriage counselor? If you are both willing to work on your marriage, then I'd make marriage counseling (together and individually) THE top priority right now. <p>Read the articles on the MB web site and try to get a copy of Torn Asunder by Dave Carder.... <p>I'm sorry to say, but there isn't any "secret"... just lots of pain, frustration, patience, and hard work. Whether you decide to stay in your marriage, or to divorce, you still need to "work through" the issues of the affair....<p>Take care of yourself and let us know how you're doing.<p>RIF90

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Here's some reading that might help:<p> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> Forgiveness
From “After the Affair” – Janis Abrahms Spring, PhD
Learning to forgive p. 238 (Excerpts)<p>If your goal is reconciliation, forgiveness requires restitution. Forgiveness is a two-person process; you can’t forgive those who refuse to acknowledge and redress the harm they’ve caused you-you certainly can’t have a vital, intimate relationship with them.<p>“True forgiveness cannot be granted until the perpetrator has sought and earned it through confession, repentance, and restitution.” - Judith Lewis Herman<p>A partner who wants to be physically and psychologically connected to you must work to win forgiveness through specific concrete behaviors. Unearned forgiveness, like unrequited love, reinforces the assumption that it’s your job alone to stay attached, that your partner doesn’t need to share the burden of recovery. If you have even a shred of self-esteem, you’re likely to find this a dysfunctional notion.<p>“While reconciliation may be a desirable outcome, psychologically, forgiveness has to be earned. To forgive people who do not acknowledge the injury, or even worse, rationalize their injurious behavior as having been deserved (or justified), is to sustain the injury all over again.” Robert Lovinger (Clinical Psychologist) in “Religion and Counseling”<p>The truth is, however, that you, the hurt partner, won’t ever forget how you’ve been deceived, whether you forgive or not. Years later, you’ll still be able to recall the exact moment of the revelation, and all the gory details of the affair. You, the unfaithful one, are likely to want your partner to forgive and forget so that you can move on to a peaceful reconciliation, but you can’t rush the process. If you don’t attend to the damage you’ve caused, your partner probably will. <p>When you forgive, you don’t forget how you’ve been wronged, but you do allow yourself to stop dwelling on it. Your hurtful memories are likely to stay alive, but relegated to a corner of your mind. You continue to see the damage, but only as part of a picture that includes the loving times as well-the ones that remind you why you’ve chosen to stay together. The past may continue to sting, but it’s also likely to teach come important lessons and inspire you to do better.<p>Forgiving, in short, entails conscious forgetting, which Jungian analyst Clarissa Pinkola Estes describes as “refusing to summon up the fiery material…willfully dropping the practice of obsessing…, thereby living in a new landscape, creating anew life and new experiences to think about instead of the old ones.”<p>Unearned forgiveness is pseudo forgiveness. It’s something you grant, not because your partner deserves it, but because you feel pressured to, either by others or by romantic moralistic assumptions about what forgiveness means. Given rashly or prematurely, it buries the pain alive, and robs you and your partner of the chance to confront the lessons of the affair and properly redress each other’s wounds.<p>It is commonly assumed that forgiveness is not just a gift to your partner, but a gift to yourself, in service of your best self, and that it imbues you, the forgiver, with a sense of well-being, of psychological and physical health. By forgiving “you set a prisoner free, but you discover the real prisoner was yourself”.<p>The idea that forgiveness is categorically good for you is popular both with the general public and with professionals, but it hasn’t held up under study. In fact, it has been shown in some cases to be anti-therapeutic, spawning feelings of low self-worth in the person who forgives.
“A too ready tendency to forgive may be a sign that one lacks self-respect, and conveys-emotionally-either that we do not think we have rights or that we do not take our rights very seriously,” writes Jeffrie Murphy in “Forgiveness and resentment”. Murphy goes on to point out that a willingness to be a doormat for others reveals not love or friendship, but what psychiatrist Karen Horney calls “morbid dependency.” My own clinical experience confirms that unearned forgiveness is no cure for intimate wounds; that it merely hides them under a shroud of smiles and pleasantries, and allows them to fester.
You may have been taught by family or religious leaders that forgiveness is a redemptive act-a form of self-sacrifice that good people make to their enemies. By forgiving, you demonstrate your compassion and innocence, and preserve, or create, an image of yourself as a martyr or saint.
Forgiveness by itself, however, is not admirable-unless, of course, you believe that silencing yourself and denying yourself a just solution is admirable. What you consider magnanimity may in fact be nothing but a way of asserting your moral superiority over your partner and freeing yourself from your own contributions to the affair. What you see as self-sacrifice may serve the larger purpose of putting your partner under your control, under a debt of gratitude that can never be fully repaid.<p>The problem with expedient forgiveness-forgiveness granted without any attitudinal or emotional change towards the offender-is that it’s likely over time to exacerbate feelings of depression and grief, and feed an underlying aggression toward your partner. Those who forgive too quickly tend to interact with false or patronizing sweetness, punctuated by sarcasm or overt hostility. The result is a relationship ruled by resentment, petty squabbles, numbness, surface calm, and self-denial- a relationship lacking both in vitality and authenticity.<p>A patient named Pat modeled expedient forgiveness when she put her husband’s affair behind her long before the two of them had examined its meaning and put it to rest. “I know Henry never stopped loving me,” she told me. “I don’t need him to beg for my pardon.” Eight years later, however, though Henry never strayed again, they were still stumbling over trust and intimacy issues.<p>As I’ve said, “making nice” settles nothing. If you want to pave the way for genuine forgiveness, you can’t sweep what happened under the table. You need your partner to understand your pain, feel remorse, apologize, and demonstrate a commitment to rebuilding the relationship. To heal, you need to forgive, but your partner must apply salve to your wounds, first.<p>(Note: I believe the above is exactly what may have happened after Dalia’s first affair, when we did not address the issues, did not fully understand what had happened and what needed to change, and the mere end of the relationship brought “forgiveness”.)<p>Self-Forgiveness
In addition to forgiving your partner for wronging you, you should consider forgiving yourself for the wrongs you’ve inflicted on your partner, your family, and yourself.
For you, the hurt partner, these wrongs might include:<p>• Being overly naïve, trusting too blindly, ignoring your suspicions about your partner’s infidelity;
• Blaming yourself too harshly for your partner’s betrayal;
• Tolerating or making excuses for your partner’s unacceptable behavior to preserve your relationship;
• Having such poorly developed concepts of self and love that you felt un-entitled to more;
• Hurting and degrading yourself for making unfair comparisons between yourself and the lover;
• Feeling so desperate to win your partner back that you acted in ways that humiliated you-in front of the lover, your family, your friends;
• Losing your sense of self; losing sight of what you value in yourself;
• Putting your kids in the middle by needing them to support you, love you, and take your side against the other parent;
• Being so upset by the affair that you weren’t there for your children;
• Isolating yourself unnecessarily; trying so hard to protect the feelings of your children and parents that you cut yourself off from their support;
• Contributing to your partner’s dissatisfaction at home (for example, by failing to take your partner’s grievances seriously; getting buried in your career or in the needs of your children; being too critical, unavailable, or needy).<p>You, the unfaithful partner, should consider forgiving yourself for:<p>• Feeling so needy, so entitled to get your needs met, that you violated your partner;
• Exposing your partner-the person you love, the parent of your children-to a life-threatening disease.
• Blaming your partner for your dissatisfaction, without realizing how your own misperceptions, misbehavior, and unrealistic expectations compromised your relationship;
• Developing attitudes that justified your deception and minimized the significance of your actions;
• Failing to confront your partner with your essential needs; acting in ways that blocked your partner from satisfying them;
• Having unrealistic ideas about mature love that rendered you incapable of tolerating disenchantments in your relationship;
• Having such poorly developed concepts of self and love that you didn’t know how to create and sustain intimacy, or feel satisfied in a committed relationship;
• Inflicting chaos on your children, family, and friends.<p>No matter how your partner may have contributed to your unhappiness at home, you, the unfaithful partner, are solely responsible for your deception, and need to forgive yourself for the harm you’ve cause by violating your covenant of trust. You may also want to forgive yourself for the hurt you’ve caused your children. This may be an easier task if you can teach them through your own example that two people who love each other can make mistakes, take responsibility for them, and work together to renew their lives together.
It may help you and your partner to forgive yourselves if you learn to accept yourselves as fallible, erring human beings-conditioned, confused, struggling to make the most of a life you neither fully understand nor control. Self-forgiveness doesn’t relieve you of responsibility for your words or actions, but it may release you from self-contempt and from a “crippling sense of badness” that makes you believe “I can’t do better.” With self-forgiveness, you bring a gentle compassion to your understanding of who you are and why you acted the way you did, and reclaim what you most value in yourself.<p>
To “forgive and forget” is just a popular saying. Forgiving and forgetting are two completely different notions, and rarely go together in the real world.
<hr></blockquote><p>and<p> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> Forgiveness is a Gift You Give Yourself
Michelle Weiner-Davis<p>Are you someone who walks around feeling angry with your spouse or loved one much of the time? Do you have a little inner voice that constantly reminds you of all of his or her wrongdoings? Have you become expert at remembering all the minute details of past injustices just so that you can keep score? If this describes you at all, you better read what I’m about to say and take it to heart. <p>Lack of forgiveness imprisons you. It takes its toll on your physical and emotional health. It keeps you stuck in the deepest of relationship ruts. No matter how justified you feel about your point of view regarding your partner’s insensitive behavior, you still are miserable.
When you wake up each morning, a gray tint shadows your life. You walk around with a low-grade depression. You can’t feel joy because you’re too busy being angry or feeling disappointed. <p>In the face of these fairly obvious disadvantages, you hang on to your belief that, since you feel let down, you must not “give in.” To you, giving in means forgiving, letting go, making peace. To do so, would be tantamount to giving up your soul. So, you keep your distance. You interact in perfunctory ways, never allowing your partner to step over the emotional line you’ve drawn. And though the distance often feels intolerable, forgiveness is not on your short list of solutions to your dilemma. <p>I have worked with so many couples who say they want to heal their relationships. And yet, when they’re offered the tools, they can’t seem to move forward. These are the couples who, instead of finding effective ways to get beyond blame, continue to repeat their mantra, “Our problems are your fault and you must pay.” As long as they maintain this mindset, they are doomed to failure. How very sad. Even sadder are their children who, on a day-by-day observe their parents being “right” but “miserable.” What lessons are they learning about love? <p>If any of this strikes a chord with you (and you wouldn’t be reading this if it didn’t), you need to internalize that forgiveness is a gift you give yourself. Letting go of resentment can set you free. It can bring more love and happiness into your life. It opens the door to intimacy and connection. It makes you feel whole. <p>Forgiving others takes strength, particularly when you feel wronged, but the fortitude required to forgive pales in comparison to the energy necessary to maintain a sizable grudge. The person most hurt by holding out or blaming is YOU, no matter what the circumstances.
“All this sounds good,” you tell yourself, “but how can I ever forget what my partner did to me?” Good question. You don’t! Forgiveness is not the same as forgetting. You will probably always remember the particular injustice(s) that drove you into your corner. But what will happen, is that when you forgive, the intense emotions associated with the event(s) begin to fade. You will feel happier, lighter, more loving. And these renewed positive feelings won’t go unnoticed. Others will be drawn to you. <p>Just keep in mind that forgiveness isn’t a feeling. It is a decision. You decide that you are going start tomorrow with a clean slate. Even if it isn’t easy, you make the determination that the alternative is even harder, and that you are going to do what you must to begin creating a more positive future. <p>So promise yourself, that no matter what the reason, you will not go another day blaming your partner and feeling lonely. Make peace. Make up. Make love. I promise you that the benefits of deciding to forgive go far beyond anything you can picture in your mind’s eye at the moment. Your decision to forgive will create a ripple effect of exponential changes in your life. <p> <hr></blockquote>


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