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SC: "they will acquire their girl-relationship-management skills..." You mean, like you and I did? DOH!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
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Space,
I suppose that time will be highly entertaining and educational for me! You have a son and daughter right? You got to witness first hand for both sexes! CSue
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2long, Did you gain insight watching your son and daughter grow in to teenagers? I feel like I am watching a science project on gender relations! CSue
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CSue:
Actually, while my D was growing up, my W and I were to flabbergasted (and it takes a lot to gast our flabber!) at how much better she handled her Rs than we ever did. She's 23 now, and we're both very proud of her. My son is 15, and he's just starting to really get a bunch of friends at his high school. He's a very nice person, too. I have high hopes for him in the future.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Personal question ... has it affected your libido ... either increased or decreased? I started *vitimin P* a few months ago (post 9/11 blues and insomnia and other symptoms related to menopause). </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Not to get off topic...but what the heck, everyone else has. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> I could use a little boost in that area (libido). But, I thought it was just my age... since we are talking about AGE and libido. It is bad to be in recovery and have a low sex drive! Wish you could by it in vitamin form. Any other suggestions?
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Oh, it's been HIGHLY entertaining to see the twins grow up! Personally, I have a huge tolerance for teen-ager antics, which annoys my wife to no end, but I just have so much fun seeing my kids do the same things I did! Oh, and don't pay attention to 2L; he's just an uncivilized caveman! Me, I'm a civilized caveman!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> I believe that simply by the way we raise our kids these days (compared to the dark ages when 2L was raised) the communication skills are almost automatically better. At least in our family, there are NO hangups, and a VERY liberal environment for expression ("John!!, John!! get down here! Mom just Fa--ed!!!!!") so, I have faith that they are much better communicators that I was. See. I was talking to my W on the phone, and clicked before I'd finished. Anyway, I was going to say that it is interesting to me how we both (W & I) raised our kids this way, and communications between them and us are great, no secrets, no hangups, no censorship, and yet, between my W & I...serious problems. By the way, this very point has been one of the MAJOR issues my kids have with their mom right now; how she always taught them that "the truth is ALWAYS better, no matter what it is, with the truth we can find a soution. When you lie, THEN I have a problem, then you will be punished" so it has been shattering to them to see her lying...big issue with them! <small>[ August 16, 2002, 04:52 PM: Message edited by: Spacecase ]</small>
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"I believe that simply by the way we raise our kids these days (compared to the dark ages when 2L was raised) the communication skills are almost automatically better." Oh, gee thanks, SC. Rub it in!! That isn't a fair comparison... ...YOU had LANGUAGE! A neighbor of mine, back in those days, tried to get a patent on a round, flat stone with a hole in the center, that he had invented. The patent clerk exclaimed "My! You've invented the wheel!!!" To which my friend replied, "No, actually it's a Cassegrain mirror blank!" Figure that one out, SC! Call ME an uncivilized Caveman, will you! I lived in a mud hut!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 2long:
<strong>CSue:
Actually, while my D was growing up, my W and I were to flabbergasted (and it takes a lot to gast our flabber!) at how much better she handled her Rs than we ever did. She's 23 now, and we're both very proud of her. My son is 15, and he's just starting to really get a bunch of friends at his high school. He's a very nice person, too. I have high hopes for him in the future.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">2long,
It must be in the genes somewhere! Or they learned it in the environment that you and W provided. Back to the age old question nature vs nuture! I also wonder how much birth order plays in the equation.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">2L; A neighbor of mine, back in those days, tried to get a patent on a round, flat stone with a hole in the center, that he had invented. The patent clerk exclaimed "My! You've invented the wheel!!!" To which my friend replied, "No, actually it's a Cassegrain mirror blank!" Figure that one out, SC! Call ME an uncivilized Caveman, will you! I lived in a mud hut!! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You got me there, 2L...I don't have a clue! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />
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2long, that of course was "nurture". I can't spell today!
Susan,
I was on Wellbutrin at one point to counter act the side effect of Prozac - low libido. It seemed to help. But stopping Prozac was the best thing for me. I just had to get to a point where I could stop Prozac because being depressed also affects libido.
Wellbutrin is what smokers are given to help counter the effects of stopping smoking. I didn't notice any side effects of Wellbutrin. CSue
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YES ... I will email you my suggestions! I am in a home full of teenagers right now Susan.... later... when the coast is clear <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Spacecase: [QB]Oh, it's been HIGHLY entertaining to see the twins grow up! Personally, I have a huge tolerance for teen-ager antics, which annoys my wife to no end, but I just have so much fun seeing my kids do the same things I did!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I can see her point! Probably about the same way the girls in 9year old son's class feel when they see him sweat over sitting next to them! She sees regression in you...LOL! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Oh, and don't pay attention to 2L; he's just an uncivilized caveman! Me, I'm a civilized caveman!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> I believe that simply by the way we raise our kids these days (compared to the dark ages when 2L was raised) the communication skills are almost automatically better. At least in our family, there are NO hangups, and a VERY liberal environment for expression ("John!!, John!! get down here! Mom just Fa--ed!!!!!") so, I have faith that they are much better communicators that I was. See. I was talking to my W on the phone, and clicked before I'd finished.]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You were?????? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Anyway, I was going to say that it is interesting to me how we both (W & I) raised our kids this way, and communications between them and us are great, no secrets, no hangups, no censorship, and yet, between my W & I...serious problems. By the way, this very point has been one of the MAJOR issues my kids have with their mom right now; how she always taught them that "the truth is ALWAYS better, no matter what it is, with the truth we can find a soution. When you lie, THEN I have a problem, then you will be punished" so it has been shattering to them to see her lying...big issue with them!]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">What a difficult position your W must find herself in trying to rationalize dishonesty to your kids!!!! Glad that's not me! And it must be a significant part of the betrayal for you. The dishonesty part that is required in an A is a complete and totally separate issue for me that I am having to learn to deal with. It's the trust thing and how am I supposed to trust again? CSue
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CSue ... I know one of the usual side effects of Prozac is decreased libido ... which is why the increased libido is such a pleasant surprise. Just goes to show ya that we all respond differently to chemical enhancement. My son takes Wellbutrin for his ADHD ... and it works really well for him at this time. When he was younger, it did nothing for him. Susan .... I will email you some dirty stuff! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> Pepper <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />
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Pepper:
Well, I will say that I haven't noticed any DECREASE.
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Pepper that's the 1st time I've heard increased liido! How wonderful. I'm curious about wellbutrin for your son. How old was he when it started working for him?
Space is always so generous with his thread. He never seems to mind side discussions...right Space? CSue
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">SC: See. I was talking to my W on the phone, and clicked before I'd finished. CSue: You were?????? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yes, she's been calling to coordinate for her pc "fix" tomorrow...nothing major...I need to just keep cool. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">SC: By the way, this very point has been one of the MAJOR issues my kids have with their mom right now; how she always taught them that "the truth is ALWAYS better, no matter what it is, with the truth we can find a soution. When you lie, THEN I have a problem, then you will be punished" so it has been shattering to them to see her lying...big issue with them! CSue: What a difficult position your W must find herself in trying to rationalize dishonesty to your kids!!!! Glad that's not me! And it must be a significant part of the betrayal for you. The dishonesty part that is required in an A is a complete and totally separate issue for me that I am having to learn to deal with. It's the trust thing and how am I supposed to trust again? CS </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">VERY difficult position! That's probably why she's so hysterically accusing me of turning them against her. She somehow has rationalized that I (of ALL people) have to "protect" her reputation by not telling anyone about the A and the lies, and all the other C--p! I'm not even sure WHAT she's going to do to tell her family that I left home...I'm not going there! (Or WHAT she'll tell them!) But they will know soon enough...we ALL get together for dinner every Friday, and I will not be there tonight...
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Oh, I LOVE side discussions! (notice Bigsis comes HERE looking for 2L! LOL!!!) But, I'm generous to a point! </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Pep: Susan .... I will email you some dirty stuff! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I expect to get the "dirty" stuff too!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">My son takes Wellbutrin for his ADHD ... and it works really well for him at this time. When he was younger, it did nothing for him. Susan .... I will email you some dirty stuff! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Soooo...have you asked your son about his libido? Just kidding. I'm sure you don't need to worry. Teenage hormones! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> Along with the dirty stuff you email me, include a perscription that I can print out please. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
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Spacecase wrote: </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> 2L; 4 sisters!!! No Brothers!!! no wonder you're a mess!!!
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Geez....How did he get THAT lucky? What's worse than a mess? LOL Try 6 sisters and NO brothers.....One posts on here and keeps up with my sanity....I'll let her be anonymous, though.....On second thought, she probably doesn't want anyone to know I'M her bro... HCII
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Spacey said: "I expect to get the "dirty" stuff too !!! "........ dream on! These are the divine secrets of the sisterhood .... a club of which YOU are NOT a member! ........ ask 2L to send you some "dirty" stuff .... he's a mud-eater and a world famous dirt expert! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> Pep <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />
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