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I need some solid advice! My wife and I both been having an A. The last year I had 3 one night stand, where she been having a long 4 year A with her trainer.

I love my W dearly and she wants us back together. I moved out when I discover her A and she is still living in our apartment and going to the same gym of her lover.

In order to save our M, I suggested her to leave her job, cancel her gym membership and for us to move far away from her lover. She has told me that she has no interest in being with the OM and she don't want to leave her family and friend. SO can we really work on our M, by staying close to our temptation? Or would this just be another decision I would resent later down the line?

Please help me!

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IMHO, a four year affair is not going to be that easy to break off, so you better strap yourself tight for a ride here. You WW will tell you what you want to hear out of panic at this time, that is typical. Right now, you have to understand - you can not control her. You have choices and so does your WW. If you want this M and from what I have read I believe you do. You should do plan-A, read up as much material as you can and truly examine and make the neccessary changes. Make sure you do not lovebust,get help,see an ic and take care of yourself.

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You could move away and it could end up being another OM. Wouldn't it be better to resolve the issue from the root? Then you don't have to live on the run.

Get both of you into counseling ASAP. See if Redhat, Just Learning, NSR, Spacecase, 2Long, WAT, JR, Indy, Nick123, JDMAC and a few other guys can post here to you. There is a whole lot of guys out there that can lend a helping hand.

Steve Harley or Jennifer C can setup phone counseling sessions. You can do it in the comfort of your own home. You have to do a bit of homework first but well worth it.

PI has been wondering how you are doing.

JMHO,
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Thanks for the input. I am still not sure if I should move back home. She is promising the world, but I still think its a bad idea to move back. I am afriad being tormented on wondering where she is every second of the day. Especially when she works right next to his gym. I know if I move back, we will go back to the same routine and nothing will change. It will just get worst. But she claims that I am not proving myself on working on the marriage if I dont make an effort to get back. Starting on moving back in. I think she is trying to control the situation and not really admitting what she did was wrong. When I spoke to her today, all she can say that I need to just let it go and not think about it. She convince that she did not commit infidelity, so before we can move forward, she needs to fess up to it and kiss my [censored] untill I can feel safe again. And I believe moving far away from him is not a bad idea. Or am I totally off base here?

She been seeing a counselor for the last couple years, but i dont think she helps. In fact I found out that she is D. Anyway, she wants me to talk to someone, but really I cant afford Steve. I need a better solution. Do you really think if I got my W and Steve on a three way over the phone, can he convince her that its nessesary for her to drop everything and take off with me?

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Here is a sample of what happens in a session with Steve. Understand that your first session will consist on setting ground rules and him hearing things out. We were given homework, which I did but the WS did not. Yet Steve's conversation with my H did make an impact. WS had unwarranted anger towards Steve. Steve knew how to difuse it. The quote below comes from Spacecase's thread. His W is the WS. She is having/had an A with a prisoner.

This is not their first session but worth reading. Let us know what you think.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Spacecase:
<strong>Steve just called me.

He just had a few minutes, but wanted to get me up to date on what's going on.
My W told him she had NOT spoken to me as she'd promised him she'd do. Why? No real reason, the ususl run-around, not ready, too soon, not sure....

So he hit her hard. Treated her like a "hostile witness" (his words). Told her in no uncertain terms, that unless she acts, "this is not going to work". That she cannot wait for the "feeling" to come before she acts, it will be too late. That just like when you exercise, you have to exercise to receive the benefits; energy, weight loss, stength. Likewise with this process of falling in love again. You must take the ateps FIRST, the feelings will come from taking the steps, doing the work. If she waits for the feelings, it will be too late.

So I asked him; "Is this real? I mean is she going to do this because she is starting to get it, or because you are pressuring her, or because she's afraid of losing me, or what?" and he answered; "Oh, it's real. See, I'm the only one asking her, demanding that she answer the tough questions. Forcing her to take a look at herself in ways she hasn't dared to before." so I insisted "Steve, but is it real? do you feel that she is getting it or is she promising to do this because she's scared, because I left, because of fear? Is it real in the sense that she really wants this, or is it another stall tactic, is it just to buy more time?" I mean I don't want a false recovery, a temporary salve to the wound. I would rather go to Plan B, wait, whatever, but I don't want a fake recovery to bring me home only to have to reach the stage I had to reach before so I can leave again! That would be devastating!

So he went on; "SC, we have a window of opportunity here. She has lost contact with the OM, that has hurt, that has made her evaluate, look at her life, question some long-held beliefs, 'truths'. This is our opportunity to get her to open up, to start working on your love...even if later on she again has the opportunity to visit the OM, by then it'll be too late for that. She'll be in love with you again. This is all still to a great extent related to her privacy/individuality thing, but she is starting to see the damage that has done to her life, to your marriage. I have made her look at herself in ways she has not looked before, to face the harsh reality. Granted we're not fully there yet, but it has started. It IS real."

Then he asked me; "SC, your Plan B letter is ready, right?" "Right" I said. "OK, so here's what we're going to do. She has promised to do this by Thursday night. That's the deadline I gave her. Can you make it till Friday?" and I said yes. "OK, so make an appointment to speak with me on Friday. If she goes through with it, we'll see what she said, and go from there. If she doesn't go through with it, if she backs out again, then we press on with a full Plan B. She knows this is one of her last chances. I told her that. And she's seeing it now."

So there we are. She is starting to see the light? Maybe. But at least I know she is not going with what her Psychologist has been saying, she's following what Steve is asking. She knows she's not been honest with her IC, and she knows Steve knows the truth. She may be reaching the point where she knows she can no longer run from herself. I hope so.

What has caused this? Who knows? the loss of contact with the OM, Steve's hard questions, my leaving, time, my apparent "ready to move on" act, remorse, who knows? And really, who cares? the point is it looks like something is working. Perhaps one day we'll know what it was that caused it, perhaps not.

I do know that my father called her last night. I don't what he said, but I know he loves her and cares for her very much. And if anything, he's even kinder and more understanding than I am. To the point that even if we divorced, he'd probably still help her. As he has continued to fully support my mother even though he's remarried and they divorced in 1979. Maybe he said something key...?

I have my doubts. Somehow I still believe that full Plan B has it's "educational" purposes and value, that perhaps Plan B is a good thing in terms of a lifelong lesson worth learning. But will I want to do it even if we don't need it? probably not.

So the waiting game continues, this time with a hard deadline...last chance...your thoughts?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The link to that thread is:
Spacecase's thread

There are no guarantees in any meeting just have to decide how to utilize the tools you have the best way you can. Maybe your medical ins may pay for part of Steve's sessions. Ask your local MCs if they are familar with MB info.

L.

<small>[ August 21, 2002, 01:13 AM: Message edited by: Orchid ]</small>

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This is another MBer's rendition of their session with Steve:

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by going_crazy:
<strong>thanks layli, sometimes I think I started Plan A a little late. For the whole first year after D-Day, before I found MB, I could say I was doing a partial Plan A, I avoided the LBs that I knew of (angry outbursts), but not the all of them. I was always asking when are you coming home, contacted him all the time, always wanted to talk about relationship, etc.

when I "discovered" MB a few months ago, counseled with Steve, I really thought he was going to tell me to go to Plan B, but he told me to Plan A my heart out, which is difficult for me, because WH was living with OW. I decreased on my LB's but me always wanting to initate relationship conversations never stopped. I then came to the realization about a month ago that Plan A is not pleading your case to the WH. Its about stepping back, taking a true look at yourself, and improve. I realized that my WH was not budging in changing, so I was going to change me. Make myself stronger, no nagging, no pleading, no iniating Relationship conversations, etc. But when he started iniating all the contact, I started acting like a "friend", just being there, didn't tell him what to do, what he should do, etc.

Maybe thats a better Plan A, at least in my position where he's not living here. I feel like I am in prePlanB though mostly.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Here is the link to the thread: GoingCrazy's thread

Hope this gives you a sense of what Steve objectives are in his sessions and his techiques.

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My name got called again by Orchid ... My take on this is ... get Steve asap. The road to recovery is very dangerous, specially you are xWS. Just the lawyer's retainer fee is way much expensive than my whole conseling w/ SH ... about 15+ sessions. However I learn a lot and be able to move on w/ or w/o my WW ... w/o guilt knowing I did my best and get the pro to review my case.

Orchid already point out some recent conseling session's post by other MBer ... hope it helps you. If you still want to find a local conselor ... I sugest you to ask them if they know MB and if they use it ...

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