Hey Spacecase! Well I guess my take on this ( & as you well know tis only my view so take it as you wish) is that maybe its best if your W decides on the appointment with Steve to just sit back & let Steve handle things (maybe you could get to talk to steve for 5mins b4 hand & ask him if you would be better off just sitting in on the session & speaking when prompted by Steve?? I guess what I am getting at here is if W is used to or feeling & expecting that she doesnt get her chance to get her feelings & thoughts heard & if she usually goes off like a rocket saying well he didnt do that etc etc & is used to you coming right back with an answer (see i used to do this to try & be right cause i thought i was, but my H sounds very similar to your W in that he always felt that his views etc were not important he kept saying to me you are so good with words you are always right aren't you etc etc & in the end he just never said how he felt & we started down that slippery slope...)
Sorry got a bit sidetracked there but anyway if your W is used to you coming back with an answer she will be expecting this, when you counsel with Steve maybe you could try saying nothing don't reply as she would expect do the opposite to what she will be expecting you to do (providing of course it's not LB). i might just b rambling a heap of nonsense here but i am soooooooo pleased to see someone with some hope at the moment I have a H with a full on A right under my nose...we are seperated I believe you know the story & I try & convince myself every day that this is gonna get better but sometimes you feel wow how long can i do this for, today on my way to work H drove out of OW drive & I was in someone elses drive dropping a parcel off so i ended up following H for about 10mins when I then passed him, I waved when i got passed but I NEVER get A SINGLE RESPONSE FROM h he drives past where i work & never looks in & seems to act like i dont exist!

I hope I can hang on in there. And by the way I am in New Zealand so yip a wee way from Texas! so i can't say i'll meet all you folk for a coffee one day...BUT HEY WHAT ABOUT A CYBER COFFEE Now we could do that eh only trouble is i guess that for me it would be some weird hour in the morning........
ANYWAY GOOD LUCK YOU DESERVE IT MAN!

By the way just in case ya think i was following my H intentionally I wasn't there is only one road here to go N or S & we were both on it going the same way!! I have fially come to realise this last week that I just have to sit back & wait for the A to die as steve says just didnt want to give the impression that i was stalking H!!! hee hee....

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 2long:
<strong>FogSucker 1 has to be in low Earth orbit for the Shuttle to be able to retrieve it. Even then, it's probably not cost-effective to fix it. And why bother? When they've got US out here, more than willing to deal with the fog on a case by case basis!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

"They can put a man on the moon, but fix a fogsucking satellite?"</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Too bad, but with all the budget cuts, we understand! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Speaking of man on the moon; I was reading somewhere (probably some geeky project management magazine) that if NASA were to try to re-create the Apollo moon-landing program, they would not be able to because detailed records of the project were not kept...tell me it ain't so!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

Hi, PD!

I imagine Steve will moderate this somewhat like that. He's very, very good at that, and making sure my W doesn't feel like we're ganging up on her. Besides, Step 1, which is what he wants her to start doing again, is really only my W talking; no response from me necessary, or very little.

NZ! Cool! I've always wanted to visit NZ...one of those childhood things that stays with you...started when an uncle of mine was going to go live there and my brother and I started reading about it, finding the maps, and all that. (He ended up in Capetown!)

Cyber-Coffee sounds good to me! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

SC,
Just wanted to lwt you know I am thinking about you and I hope things go well with Steve. Let us know and thanks for your post on my thread.
Hugs to you friend,
Layli

Spent a wonderful day with my son, getting him settled into his apartment in Austin...although it DID hit 100 degress and we were moving furniture, etc. Killer!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

Very nice day! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

And so, thus ends the day that marks 1 year since DDay...fortunately I was busy and having fun, so I didn't ponder that much.

And tomorrow...Steve. We'll see what he's got up his sleeve! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Hey SC!

Good to see you logged in. I just got back from a dinner with the host of our workshop here. When I got back to the Steve Grogan room after the workshop, it STANK in here. Smelled like raw sewage down the whole hall! I opened the door to my room and it stank in THERE, too! Turned off that damned AC and opened the sliding glass door on the balcony. That helped. When I got back, I tried to turn it back on, but it smelled again, so I turned it off and I'm going to "go ambient" with the door open. Heckfire, it's only about 90 right now outside! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Why do people live in places like this? It's uninhabitable!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

SC! hi there well good luck for ya appointment with Steve maybe we can have that cyber coffee after ya appointment while we mull over the outcome & Steves take on this. Good luck once again am eagerly awaiting your reply I just so wish my H had even agreed to have one appointment with Steve but ya see at the time of our seperation we had decided against counseling (dumb eh) because i had taken a cheaper option of email counselling with an outfit in the UK & they slammed H all the way through!@@# unfortunately H saw this & it destroyed any chance of any further counselling for him...If only I had spent the extra money on Steve then but I was trying to work thru all the stuff on here & not really understanding it until it now seems too late but hey never say never!!! I love the guy to bits but he can't see that & I can't tell him that stuff right now as Steve said he wont want to hear that sort of stuff while in the middle of an A I guess because he's in love with OW right now & I have to sit back & wait for the fairy dust to dissolve i bloody well hope it doesn't take forever. Am getting a bit fed up feeling so lonely all the time I have lunch each day at the river on my own & read my SH books its whats keeping me going at the moment OH & of course you guys on here!! Catchya later grasshopper! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> CHIN UP!!! Better days r just around the corner man!

Thoughts your way today.

I just wanted to stick a quick note to you, good luck today!!

Thanks SO much, PD, Sing, GC!
I'll post an update later...

SC:

"Speaking of man on the moon; I was reading somewhere (probably some geeky project management magazine) that if NASA were to try to re-create the Apollo moon-landing program, they would not be able to because detailed records of the project were not kept...tell me it ain't so!!! "

I wish I could! Nothing pains me more when I go to Houston than to see that Saturn V laying on the lawn in front of JSC with pidgeons sitting on it! I have a friend that used to work at Rocketdyne. He said years ago that they couldn't make a Saturn V today if they had to. It's actually more complex than that, but the upshot is that it would be cheaper to design something from scratch than to revive the Saturn V production line. Think about it: Most of those guys that worked on Apollo are either retired or gone now... <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />

Sorry for the digression, but you did ask! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

I'll be thinking about you today, SC!!

SC,

Check your email.

Regarding your meeting today, I'm preparing for the worst, hoping for the best and hanging onto my hat! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

(Where have I heard that before????) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Praying hard for you buddy,
E_C

Just adding my voice of solidarity for someone else who's "made it" to the 1 year mark... Mine is Sept. 3 - next Tuesday. Huh, by coincidence I've got an appointment with IC/MC! How fortuitous! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

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