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My story is on the "just found out" board under "wish I knew what is ahead for me....".
Basically, I have been in Plan A for about 3 months with an on-going A. My WH is on the fence about whether to stay in the M or leave for OW.

I finally went to IC today. His advice was that I need to be loving but firm and not tolerate the A any longer. He believes that I should tell WH that it is time to make a choice - either end A or leave.

I am undecided about what to do. I have done a pretty good Plan A. I am extremely hopeful that my M will survive. I love my WH. I have two small children.

Any thoughts about this advice?

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Your counselor has it all wrong....IMO.

You CANNOT make your WH make a choice. Ultimatums usually backfire. Gives the WS an excuse to say that you are controlling....which is what it looks like.

The choice is yours.

You either go on like you are.....or you ask him to leave....or you leave.

The WS is not the only person with choices to make.

As a BS we either decide to hang on and ride it out until the A ends or the M ends up in D.....or we make the decision to leave or ask the WS to leave so that we don't have to deal with the whole "in your face" situation every single minute of the day.

This would actually be called Plan B....and if you've implemented a good Plan A then it's totally warranted......but you CANNOT make your H do anything. You have control over no one other than yourself. Your counselor should know that.

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Here's your link to your thread: wish I knew what was ahead for me

willingtowait,
First let me tell you I did an 18 month Plan A throught the first 6 separations, so 3 months doesn't seem long to me, though I recall it feels like an eternity. And, with 14 out of 21 months separated, my H's long A with a co-worker, we reconciled in 5/00.

If you give the ultimatum your counselor advises, be prepared financially, emotionally for the separation, at this point of an on-going affair, he may not choose you. And, with the OW being a co-worker, even if he chooses your marriage, he still has contact with her, and unless he is VERY determined, despite his intentions, with that contact, the A is likely to continue or resume.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" /> Sorry, I know that isn't encouraging, but the co-worker thing, or any ongoing contact, is a very difficult situation.

From my experience, separation, though not necessarily leading to a divorce, is one step closer. When the household is not the same, communication becomes more sporadic, less reliable. And, the WS inevitably spends more time with the OP.

I did find 2 positives in separation.
1) the household tension was less. I questioned less. I didn't know when he was out that he was with her.

2) I found Plan A easier (which wouldn't be a benefit for you since you'd be going to Plan B). I lovebusted a lot less when I only spoke to him on the phone or for a couple hours if he was over seeing the kids. After work through evening through morning was much more difficult to not lovebust.

Your counselor's advice is like a lot of counselor's advice, also goes along with Dobson's LOVE MUST BE TOUGH. If your H chooses the OW, then he's out there, facing the reality of his affair, facing the reality of the OW, facing the consequences to his kids, losing the family life, learning about visitation, child support.

The main problem I see with demanding his choice, is if he chooses you, you have forced him to give his "love" up, you'll be dealing with his withdrawal and/or continued contact, his "what if". If he was willing to give her up easily, he would have done so upon discovery. So, then, if the A continues, you have the next ultimatum or follow through with him leaving.

He may choose to end the A, or leave you, on his own. Then at least, it is his own decision and there is far less he can blame you for.

But...that choice between you and the affair does have to come sometime. You really are the only one to determine if that time is now and if you are the one that should force the decision.

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Thanks for the thoughts.

Lor, I have seen various posts from you as I have been browsing GQII lately. I seem to identify with your situation and am curious to know how you successfully got to recovery. Can you elaborate on your story for me - or direct me to your thread.

Thanks, WTW

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Willing,
There's a lot to my long story. I really am an oldtimer, since 12/98, lost my first 500 or so posts in the crash of 4/99.

At the top of the forum page, there is a search option and you can search by member number, however it only shows the first 300 matches, usually the most recent, so that won't get you back as far in my story as the last reconciliation. I haven't initiated a thread in a long time.

I tried to make a link to a search page, but it didn't work...so, click on search, you'll have some fields to choose from, stay in GQII, pick any date, for search word, put in Update, subject title only, my member number 545. It should give you about 7 threads, which you can click on and read.

The cool thing about it, is you can read the other old-timers (well, my peer group & supporters/advisors/friends at the time) advice. Very few of them post anymore.

Feb 12, 2000 is in our 7th separation, and I'm pretty angry.

May 5, 2000 is about 10 days before my H moved back home.

July 16, 2000 is right before we went to Mexico to re-exchange rings (and have some fun <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> ).

My H's member # is 4410. His first post as a remorseful WS "I betrayed my wife" is very eye-opening.

<small>[ September 05, 2002, 05:09 PM: Message edited by: Lor (Lor) ]</small>


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