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PLEASE, everyone, help me critique this letter to WH. I am doing this on Jennifer's advice and I think it's great advice, but I'm so afraid of getting it wrong. I have this awful gut feel that if this note doesn't do what it's supposed to do, I won't get another chance.

First of all, to explain the letter, I had my 2nd counseling session with Jennifer. Don't know why I waited so long.

In a nutshell, WH is back in the States on his month off, ignoring me, & possibly filing D. He returns to work & OW in 1 week. I meanwhile have been ignoring him. Sent 1 e-mail at beginning of his month off, got a frigid reply in return, responded nicely to him, and have heard nothing since. So I decided to return the favor. But I had this nagging feeling that I was doing something wrong - thus the appt with Jen. I was about ready to go to Plan B or maybe even Plan D.

Jen's advice - completely different than what i expected. She says to tell WH exactly how I feel. That I'm sad, missing our M. That I want our M to work, but we need a new kind of R. One based on MB principles. Then tell him what I've learned from MB and how I think this is a plan that can save our M. Tell him why I love him, and what I think our future holds.

Exactly the kinds of things I've been avoiding saying to him!!!! Wow - this is different.

Jennifer suggested doing this over the next week, in small installments. She said be sure to avoid LB's - try to limit MB talk about how I learned from it, instead of making it sound like I'm trying to educate him. And make sure he understands how I'm feeling.

Her reasoning? She thinks we're probably on verge of D anyway so what do I have to lose. Or maybe that's a little harsh - maybe not quite being on the verge, but more like making a lemming-style dash to the edge.

So I put together a note to WH. I would really really really appreciate input on what I've written. Is there anything in here that he could take wrong? Is it too long? Should I break it up into smaller notes & send them out in installments over several days?

Please help me on this one - I feel like this is my last shot. I think WH is lost once he goes back to OW. He's either going to give up, or I will.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Dear Husband -

I'm feeling awfully sad right now. It looks like it's over, and I keep hoping it's not. I want so badly for us to stay together. I see what we once had and what is still between us. And I want to cry for what we're about to throw away.

Today was another counseling session. Surprisingly, we talked about nothing but us. By the end of the session, my counselor was in tears.

You see, I have been quietly depressed for the past week or so. Not overtly so, with the crying and not eating or sleeping. But a quiet depression, where nothing seems fun any more and all the emotions are numb. That worried my counselor. So I think she was wanting to convince me to move on. She started off asking me why I would want to stay with you. What does he bring you, SH? she asked me. What do you have together?

I told her how you always know exactly what to say to me when I have problems or when I'm sad or angry. When 9-11 came this year, you called me because you knew how hard I would take it. When I had to quit the ERT, you understood why it pained me to leave my fellow firefighters - you understood the camaraderie & spirit between us. You're one of the few people who sees the soft side of me and accepts it and loves me more for it. You understand me like no one ever has. And I think I understand you in the same way.

I told her we connected. That we ended each other's sentences and spoke each other's thoughts. That we grew up in the same type of family, surrounded by the same beliefs and values. That we shared a common history and culture that went beyond being simply "American". That our core beliefs were so similar - love of family, love of country, strong work ethic, belief in something bigger than both of us.

I told her how we shared the same interests. In politics, in finances, in engineering. Travel and diving and backpacking. Love of the outdoors. Discussing interesting and stimulating topics, challenging each other intellectually, always wanting to learn more.

And I told her about how you'd flip my flipperdopper out of my eyes. Or call me a gink. And I'd melt inside because what you were really saying was, "I love you." I told her how you are the sexiest man I have ever met, that I get weak just thinking about you, that I have never had such unimaginably good sex in my life. And that once upon a time I heard fireworks and bells and felt electricity crackling through me every time you looked at me or touched me. I have never in my life swooned until I met you. But when you held me and kissed me, I would feel faint from the feelings you brought about in me.

When I finished she was in tears. She said, "do you realize how rare and precious a thing you two have? I have counseled so many couples, and it is extremely rare to find something so special between 2 people. You must hold onto this. This is true love."

I told her I knew that. That's why I'm fighting so hard. And that's also why I know we can succeed if we both work at it.

No, I don't want to go back to our old marriage. Neither one of us was happy. We did so many things to hurt each other and drain our love for each other. But I'm looking at a new kind of relationship. That's what I'm fighting for.

We can do it, Baby - I really believe it. I've talked to people who have been through hell like we have and have followed this plan to restore their marriages and have turned their lives into something remarkable. That's what I want. Not what we had for the past 5 years, but something better.

Even after everything we've done to each other. Even though we sometimes think we don't like or even love each other any more. Because I've finally come to realize that having a good marriage isn't something that just happens. It's not about following our instincts and letting love happen "naturally". Love, real long-lasting love, doesn't work that way. You have to care for it and nurture it over the years.

I look back at our life together and realize that we didn't take care of our love. We had such a powerful and stunning "in love" period that we thought we would never lose it. But that wasn't real love - that was only the first stage, the infatuation, before we started to see the warts and scars. The real love started to build over the years, as we committed to each other and learned about each other and made memories together.

We thought our love would last forever. But we didn't keep doing the things we should to make it last. Remember how we spent all our time together in the beginning, enjoying each other's company and doing things we both liked to do? Remember how we talked and talked for hours and never got bored? Then we started doing things separately - a little at a time, but eventually it became a lot. And I started travelling and working long hours, and we rarely saw each other or talked. And when we did talk, we would get impatient with each other if the subject wasn't what we wanted to talk about right then. If we didn't agree about something, I would usually get my way because I yelled louder or was more vocal. And you would get angry because I didn't realize it wasn't what you wanted or you didn't want to fight about it. Finally, we both started looking for something else, something outside our marriage. And we abandoned each other, left each other's needs completely unmet. Is it any wonder we fell out of love?

The amazing part is that I've re-discovered my love. Even after months and years of feeling like I was completely dead inside. And that realization makes me wonder if there could be something still left inside of you, too. When I talk to other people, I hear almost exactly the same stories from all of them. How they "fell out of love" with their spouses. How they "loved them but weren't in love with them". How they swore they would never feel the same again. Yet they did. And I have. And I believe we both can together.

So what I want to offer us is a new life. One that's based on a commitment to a new type of marriage. A marriage that's based on thoughtful actions, caring for each other's needs, protecting each other, working through our life choices together.

Oh, Baby, I see such a grand world out there waiting for us. I see us standing in the Bighorns, watching the sun rise. I see us diving in the Maldives. I see us curled up in bed together every night and waking up each morning together. And working together as a team, you on your computer, me at the books - talking and laughing and trying to make our business succeed. I want to explore the world together with you. I miss my friend and my lover and my husband.

I know you're afraid. You're afraid that it won't work. That I won't change, you won't change, it will be the same thing as before. But if we both commit to following this plan, and never forget what is at stake, I believe we can succeed.
I think you also fear that I can never forgive you. But that's part of the plan, isn't it? That what is in the past must remain in the past. Oh, Baby, how can I condemn you for things when I've made so many mistakes of my own? We can't bring up what you've done or what I've done. We need to follow the plan. And it has to be mutual.

So that's what I've been thinking about for the past few weeks. I've been grieving over the loss of our future. I want that so much. And I just wanted to let you know what I was thinking and to hear what you had to say about it.

I love you so much.

Love, SH </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">

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Wow- what a wonderful letter... just make sure it is handwritten and get it to him right away.

Hugs, honey <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

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What a wonderful testimony of real love. Wish I could say the same about my WH and our M. That is so beautiful. Go for it....wish you the best of luck.

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Jennifer warned me not to expect anything in response to my note. And in truth I don't think I was. But they say hope springs eternal..... You can see WH's reply at bottom - telling me he has "no choice" but the file for divorce.
What a fool I was. And am.

I sure would appreciate some advice about how to respond to my WH. So far I just sent a quick note asking for his lawyer's name, address, & Phone #. With a "Love, SH" afterwards. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

I guess I'm still trying to draw some hope even at this point. Why is he still bothering to write me? Is it just guilt? Or simply because he cares about not hurting my feelings? But why would he still keep addressing my points about where our marriage went wrong & trying to address them? If he really wanted out, would he care enough to even write this?

Thanks so much for taking time read it.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Hi Baby,

I've been taking some time to think about your letter and all I can say is that it makes me so sad. If only we'd come to this years ago, maybe it would have been recoverable, but now I think it's too late. I thought about what you said about being more depressed. The quiet depression where nothing seems fun any more and all the emotions are numb. It made me realize that that's exactly how I've been functioning for years now. It's like all the motivation has been drained out.

Getting a letter like that from you should make me cry and want to come running back. But in truth, I just feel dull. It's frustrating, a little maddening, but mostly just sad. Because I agree that we've thrown away a lot.

It would probably be the easy way out for me, at least in the short run to come back. But I don't think that would be fair to you because my heart's just not in it. I believe you when you say that you can start up a new kind of marriage. I have a lot more confidence that you can do that than me. The problem is, I've lost it. I just don't even feel the desire to try anymore. And I'm sorry for that.

One of the things you said put me off. You were trying to recount how our marriage had gone from the beginning and said, "Remember how we talked and talked for hours and never got bored? Then we started doing things separately - a little at a time, but eventurally it became a lot." You seem to identify that as the moment when things started to go downhill. The problem is, doing those things separately, a little at a time, is what I identify as something that should have saved us, not destroyed us. All along, I thought having some separate interests as well as common interests would have made us both happier. But it didn't seem to work out that way. You never seemed to pursue any interests of your own outside of work and volleyball, and made me feel I was wrong to try anything myself. That's the rub. As I write this, it almost sounds trivial and silly. But it was important. I don't blame you for that. I should have done a better job sticking up for myself years ago.

Anyway, I went ahead and retained an attorney and he will submit a petition to the court for divorce this week. I told him that it would be uncontested and already paid him the fee of $744. There may or may not be additional fees depending on how we finally work this out. You're going to get a copy of the petition in the mail and a waiver to sign and have notarized. The
waiver only says that you have gotten the petition, and substitutes for being physically served. We have to work out a property settlement between us. You can take all the time you need and that includes consulting with your own attorney if you wish.

I've been really reluctant to do this but I don't think at this point I have any other choice. I'm really sorry.

Love, xxx
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I will take a look at this letter later on tonight after H goes to bed (he has to get very early for work!!). I wrote a letter to him about 6 weeks ago, maybe along the same lines that Jennifer wants you to

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You are NOT stupid for pouring your heart out to your H in that beautiful letter. His response is what's made you feel that way. He sounds a lot like my H (WS) only your H words things a whole lot nicer. Basically, they don't want to do the work necessary to recover the M. Unfortunately it's not something you can do by yourself. He's feeling SELFISH right now and wants to do his own thing. He sounds like he doesn't want to be COMMITTED to anyone right now. He can't come back to you now - after years of marriage - and just do what he pleases. That is all I hear in what he writes. The paragraph about doing things seperately rings a bell. Your H only wants you to have "hobbies" or "interests" other than his so he doesn't have to feel guilty about indulging in his interests so much away from you. To me my relationship with my H (significant other) is THE MOST IMPORTANT relationship in my life. It is the CENTER of my attention/world. For some people it just isn't. Perhaps you and your H don't have the same values like you thought - perhaps he was raised with an emotionally/physically absent father. It's taken time for me to realize that my H (WS) and my upbringing are so very different (and we do live by example) that I've had to make adjustments in the way I see him and what I expect of him. Otherwise I would have been asking more of him than he could give. Anyway, don't beat yourself up. I'm sure you're experiencing enough pain without adding to it. At least your H is being civil and kind in telling you he needs to move on. I know that doesn't make it any easier for you and I feel your pain. Keep your chin up.

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SH94, I am so sorry to for the sadness and hurt you are feeling. I read you letter and thought it was absolutly incredible and it touched my heart. It is very difficult to write about our memories. I have also read your H's response. I agree with the others who have posted above me. But, there is one thing that caught my eye that I wanted to comment on. I know this is not advice or anything but it is something that has bothered me with my own WW. IN his response he said coming back would be the easy thing to do. That is just a bunch of crap. My WW kept telling everyone that OM gave her the "strength" to finally see what was wrong in her marriage. That sometimes she felt weak and would come back. I firmly beleive that it is the weakness that let her have the affair and it is the weankness that keeps her from coming back. Running away is not a sign of strength, it is a sign of weakness. The hardest thing to do would be to come back and work their tails off to try and save the marriage. Please remember this, when our WS's run away from the marriage they are running from themselves, unless there is some kind of abuse in the relationship. But I believe whenthey have A's and leave the love and safety of the marriage they are just running from themselves. That is weakness, not strength. That is the easy way out, because they don't have to look at themselves.
Sorry if I was rambling but that just always gets to me.

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Amen to Happiness Within.

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Thank you so much for all your responses. I woke in the middle of the night (as usual!) after sleeping only an hour. And seeing your support and outrage against WH gave me some measure of calm and support. I actually got back to sleep for the rest of the night. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

letstalk: Wow, I couldn't believe that you've been thinking exactly what i have! About how maybe WH and I are not the soulmates I once thought we were. Maybe he wouldn't come back to me and try to share our lives as partners & friends like I keep fantasizing. Maybe he does just want a live-in maid.

happinesswithin: So you saw that piece of crap too, did you? About divorcing being the hard road. I wanted to gag when I read that. Only we who have been through this and have honestly contemplated recovery can appreciate what it will take to actually go down that path.

going_crazy: I sure hope to see your comments. I've been seeing some of your advice and it's always been wonderful.

I am holding off on writing a reply just yet. I'm still too torn up and angry just yet.

Thanks again for the support. We will survive this. I just wish there was a happier ending. <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />

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Im in the middle of this story sorry but I like the letter. Did you get that letter to him? Any response yet?

Praying for you
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I have spent the past 3 days wondering how to respond to WH's note saying he's filed. I've always known he would but to hear he's actually done it hit me harder than I expected. I have had so many thoughts & feelings, I can't sort out what I really want to do.

Then last nite I received a friendly note from WH - partly business and partly just news from home. I got so angry by his latest request. He wants to set up the 2nd phone line at our home in his name only, under an on-line account, so he can call his work location overseas (or rather, call OW) when he is on his off-duty time. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> I then just happened to get the latest phone bill last night, and it showed he'd made a call to his work location. So I've now got a phone number & considering what I want to do about it. Maybe it was a legit call to one of his work friends. Then again, maybe to OW? Uh-oh, all kinds of evil thoughts going thru my head! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> Rest of his note was weird. Again the "Hi Baby" and "Love XXX", and then also saying "I'm not planning to come back in December to the apartment" (where I live). What the heck is that? Why would I expect him to? And then this pukey maundering last bit about "I think it would be a good idea for you to get out of town for Xmas. Go stay with your family for the holidays. Just don't be alone." <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> What does this guy think I'm doing - sitting around moping???? Sure I'm sad - but he knows I've been out backpacking & partying & going to Comedy Clubs & having dinner with friends.

Anyway, he did say that while home he talked to our best friends about this & found it to be helpful. So I called our friends to find out why they'd convinced him to file. Their think that he is severely depressed, confused, and possibly suicidal. I think the last may be an overreaction but then I haven't seen him lately. But they said their main points to him was that he hasn't thought clearly about any of this and hadn't given us a chance.

But they did say WH insisted he has made his decision and he wants a Dv. He said I just don't get it about his concerns about our M. And that my one statement in that R letter I sent him where I said, "Remember how we talked and talked for hours and never got bored? Then we started doing things separately - a little at a time, but eventually it became a lot" upset him & made him realize it was over. Because in his mind it showed that I didn't understand his need for separate pursuits and an individual life.

But my friends also said it didn't seem that he was having a good time or in love with this OW or even happy about moving on.

So today I finally responded to his "I've filed" letter by saying that I was sad it was over but I knew I couldn't stop him from getting a Dv and I was ready to let go if that's what he wanted. I tried to do some reverse babbling by agreeing with him that coming back to me would be the hard thing to do and that he couldn't be blamed for taking the easy way out. I also had to address his constant harping on having separate lives, and I did tell him that if he really felt that way then perhaps we shouldn't be married because I'd never be happy with a H like that. I told him that I was so grateful to him for helping me find my true self thru this experience & that I had such hopes for my future life. And I wished him all the best and hoped he would find whatever it was he wanted if it wasn't me.

I think I left the door open a bit if he decides to come back. But the truth is, I really am ready to move on without him if he never does. Every once in a while I start crying about that. <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" /> But I should expect that, shouldn't I?

I made an appt with Jennifer for next week, earliest time I could. I had wanted to talk to her before sending my last reply but decided I couldn't wait. Besides, I don't think my note reverses anything - I don't cut off contact, I still talk about R issues & how to build a better life together, I hold out hope for us.

Till then I will be consulting with my attorney, deciding how to protect myself financially, make sure that he doesn't bring that filth into my home. And keep any contact between us strictly business, polite but distant.

Any comments out there about what you think I should do at this point?
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