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This is some wisdom that I've gathered from different posters and added my thoughts to. Was hoping that might be helpful to those of you struggling with Plan A and love busting.
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Have you read BrambleRose’s post on Plan A… it’s a must read. How to be a doormat in Plan A. It may surprise many BS as to what this means… Being a doormat in Plan A does not mean that the BS has no boundaries and allows the WS to walk all over them.

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PLAN A

The major mistakes I see in Plan A are:

1) The BS doing nothing to interfere or attempt to break up the affair in acceptable ways.

2) Plan A’ing for too long, to the point that it becomes a lifestyle with great payoff for the WS and little for the BS.

3) Tip toeing around the WS by not telling them how the affair is hurting the BS. Basically acting as though the BS is afraid to upset the WS in any matter. This can lead to great emotional abuse of the BS.

4) The BS does not do Plan A for the WS or for themselves. It is done to break up the affair and begin marital recovery.

5) Totally misunderstanding what is and what is not a love buster and thereby never setting proper boundaries.

While becoming a better, more patient, more loving spouse can be a side affect of plan A, that is not it’s purpose. Plan A is a strategy to separate the spouse from the lover. (Or perhaps to pull a spouse out of deep withdrawal, but that's not your issue right now.) Nothing more, nothing less. Plan A will not save or restore your marriage. It is simply a tool to show your spouse that you recognize the contribution you've made to the deterioration of your M, and that you are willing, able, and determined to change those things.

Plan A is also about meeting needs as much as you feel you can. If you can make love with your H and not go away angry and resentful... go for it!! But if not, then Be pleasant, courteous, thoughtful, respectful. No demands, no disrespect, no losing your temper, no dishonesty, and no doing things that annoy or offend your spouse. (annoying behavior does have a qualifier when there is an A, and we will talk about that too.) Plan A is not about being perfect, being a doormat, or being a perfect doormat!

Plan A can be done in a letter if that is all you can muster. Plan A should have a deadline, as it's not an indefinite lifestyle choice. Most women cannot do Plan A as long as men. Some cannot even do it for a day, the pain of knowing their H is with OW is too great. Most women plan A for about 2-3 weeks, most men for about 6 months. Plan A is not a life style.

When it is said that the BS should do nothing to break up the affair, it’s a bit of a misleading statement. Plan A and Plan B are attempts to break up the affair. Acceptable and unacceptable ways to break up an affair.

It is unacceptable to try breaking up the affair using tactics such as threatening or using violence, stalking either the WS or the OP.

Acceptable ways to put pressure on the affair in Plan A/B:

1) Plan A and then if necessary Plan B.
2) Tell everyone: your parents, his parents, your religious leader, your other loved ones and close friends. Ask for their support in ending the A and saving your marriage.

3) Tell the WS that they are hurting you (the BS) every time there is contact. Do not give the WS the impression that you can get by.

4) Tell the WS that they are offending you grievously, that you are hurt beyond belief and that you are in pain. All of this helps break the shroud of secrecy and protection around the affair. It puts pressure on the affair.

5) Confront the OP. Tell OP that you love your WS and that you want your marriage to survive. Tell OP that he/she is contributing to the destruction of your home and your family. Beyond this do not contact the OP. Do not set up a relationship with them. They are incidental to the problems in your marriage. Given time the affair will almost always end whether or not you and you WS remain together. Affairs are based on fantasy. Tell the OP’s spouse.

6) Tell your children. Yes... tell them. They already know, so give them the gift of honesty.

7) Now, in the interim, there are things you can do. Confront the OW.

8) If your spouse is in the military talk to the Chaplin, their commander, family support and anyone else you can to get support. Their commander can put a lot of pressure on them, change their assignment to interfere with the affair, and so forth. Criminal charges can be filed. And so forth.

This will make the WS angry. The Policy of Joint Agreement does not apply. The marriage has already been breached. Telling is a way of stopping the bleeding so to speak. A way to end the A, to pick of the pieces of the destruction he is wreaking.

Affairs do not survive in the light of day. Doing everything you can to end it is encouraged. Once again, this is against every instinct we have, but it works.

Affairs do not last long when the OP is meeting limited needs and the WS is just having a wonderful time having their cake and eating it too. All the while the BS is.

Plan B is risky. At first it will certainly push the WS into the arms of the lover. But almost all affairs die a natural death. And that is hastened by being exposed to the light of day. Affairs exist and thrive only in secret and in fantasy. Once the harsh realities of life... kids, schedules, finances, laundry (!!) intrude, they lose their appeal.

Soon the arguments set in, withdrawals to the LBnk are made and the A comes to an end.

The time to go to Plan B is when: You are LBing more? Not sleeping well? Poor appetite? Losing your ability to concentrate? These are things that you need to take into account. Plan A is not sustainable indefinitely, and the more your love bank drains, the harder it will be to continue.

The 2 biggest mistakes with Plan B are not going to Plan B in time, and not insisting on the conditions for recovery. NO ONE wants to do Plan B. It goes against every instinct we have. But MB is about going against instincts. Harley says it over and over again on every topic he covers. Doing what our instincts tell us to do only gets us into trouble.

A Plan B letter should be short and to the point. It must include these

1. I love you

2. I married you for life. I want to stay married to you.

3. This thing you are doing is too painful for me to bear; it is destroying the love I have for you.

4. As long as you have contact with this person, I cannot see or speak to you.

5. When this affair ends, I would love to discuss reconciliation and recovery with you.

6. Until then I ask that you not contact me. All issues relating to children/finances/etc should go through____ who is acting as intermediary.

There is so much emphasis on ending the A and plan A, that people lose sight of the fact that ending the A is just one of two equally important parts in rebuilding the M. The second, and probably toughest part, is recovery. If the BS has very little love left for the WS, the recovery part may already be doomed because the BS will not put the sufficient effort to work his/her part and may use the WS's equally lukewarm response as enough proof to jettison the M and head straight to divorce. This is why plan B is an important component to the goal of rebuilding the M.

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COMMON MISCONCEPTION ABOUT LOVE BUSTERS

Many BS believe that insisting on no contact would be viewed as a love buster by their WS. Technically, it's not. A lot of posters talk about a LBer as anything that the WS finds unpleasant. That's not the case. If it were, then honesty, especially radical honesty, would become impossible.

A Love Buster falls into one of these categories:

1. Demands. Insisting that your spouse do something for you regardless of how it would make him or her feel to do it. Refusing to accept "No," to your request, graciously. Either overtly or insinuating some threat if your wish is not complied with.

There's a whole layer of subtleties around Demands. And it is defined by the one being asked to do whatever. I tend to be VERY sensitive to demands. My H saying something like, we need to change the oil this weekend, or I need you to come and look at (whatever his current project might be) will almost always fall into the demand category for me.

Also, we cannot insist that our spouse NOT do something. Although technically this is not a Demand but a notification that they are in violation of POJA, unless you are both on the same page about that policy, it will be a love buster.

The way to avoid making demands is to state what it is you would like, and then to ASK, "How would you feel about doing______?" This statement forces you to take your spouse's feelings into account, and to accept,"No," courteously.

2. Disrespect. This is anything that imposes your value judgment on your spouse. It can be as small as rolling your eyes at something he/she says, or as large as name calling, put-downs. One that is common for BS's is to question the WS's morals, standards, ethics, care of children.

While we may all agree with those assessments, to state them to your spouse is disrespectful. You can THINK whatever you want, but you need to monitor what comes out of your mouth.

3. Angry Outburst. Losing ones' temper and having a screeching tantrum is easy to recognize.

But an AO can be quiet and just as cutting. It's an action that is punishing in some way. (This does not include removing oneself from abuse or pain or neglect.... unless you hurl a rolling pin at his head on your way out the door.)

Threats are included in this category. So if you are planning to go to Plan B, then you need to make the plan and do it. Threatening would be an AO.

4. Annoying Habits. Things like slurping coffee, snoring, leaving your shoes all over the house, and collecting junk. All these are annoying habits. Things you do that make your spouse insane with irritation.

5. Independent Behavior. Monday night football, affairs, shopping with the girls, hunting, your religious practices. Lifestyle choices that are planned and executed without the enthusiastic agreement of both parties. Business travel falls into this category.

6. Dishonesty. Leaving your spouse in the dark on any of these subjects: 1. Past history 2. Present activities 3. Daily plans and schedule 4. Future plans, hopes, dreams, 5. Feelings and reactions... particularly to your spouse's behavior 6. Anything else you know to be true about yourself

Now, no contact in order to protect yourself from further pain does not fall into one of those categories. Will the WS be unhappy with that? Duh!!! Of course he/she will. But his/her unhappiness will be the direct consequence of his/her betrayal of you and his/her vows.

You are not hurting the WS. He/she has chosen to hurt themself by hurting you. No one, and least of all Harley, believes that you should be in pain in order to save your marriage. If you ever get a chance to hear him, he speaks about this all the time. That his concern is with YOU, the BS. He does not want you to suffer any more than you already are.

If your spouse is unhappy with n/c, then it's up to him/her to do the things HE/SHE needs to do in order to have you in his life.

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Dear Zorweb, I am amazed at the number of 'coincidental' things I've come across lately. When I need them the most, something turns up and its just what I needed to read or hear. Your words have done that for me today and the link to BR's post, well, I needed that too and even though I've read it before, today I understand.

From reading this I believe I am in a 'real' plan A. Its taken 9 months to get here, but I've finally 'got it'. Sure it needs a little more work, but is it ever really finished? Plan A for life I say.

I think the issue of lovebusters is really important. We cannot tip-toe around WS and be afraid to say something they may not like - you can suggest that WS end their affair, you can tell them that they are being hurtful to you - these things are fact, they are the truth, the art is learning to do these things in a way that does not take away the rights of your spouse and is not disrespectful.

Thank you Zorweb, this has been very much appreciated today! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

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Seahorse,

I’m glad you found the post useful.

From reading this I believe I am in a 'real' plan A. Its taken 9 months to get here, but I've finally 'got it'. Sure it needs a little more work, but is it ever really finished? Plan A for life I say.

This is a very good point. One that has been bantered around a lot here on MB. Here’s my take on it. Plan A is a way to negotiate the end of the affair. It is the first step to marital recovery if recovery is ever going to happen. For that reason I don’t like to use the term “Plan A’ing for life”. Instead I use “MB’ing for life”. For me this explains how my H and I now live our marriage.

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Zorweb, thanks for taking the time to do this. Fantastic advice here. I agree with your reply to Seahorse about Plan A - in recovery, I am not plan A'ing my husband, we are living by the MB rules of marriage.

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Zorweb (and anyone else): Would you read my post in General Questions II called "Advice Appreciated"? I am struggling right now emotionally (all in my posts) and so when I read your comment on how 'no contact' can be done to avoid pain, that is how I feel right now. I need to get some stuff sorted out because I can't handle more pain. But..I'm not ready for Plan B, but I don't think my Plan A is right for me anymore.

It will be hard to do no contact re our kids, but I just want advice on whether or not asking my H to follow through on the legal separation stuff he wants, and also to remove his belongings is the right decision. I know logically it is, but in my heart I'm in turmoil. You seem to have a good handle on Plan A and I'd appreciate any advice. Thank you!

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I agree that in Recovery, Plan A gives way to the The MB 4 Rules of Successful Marriage

Time
Honesty
Care
Protection

Because recovery isn't one sided, like Plan A, it requires joint effort.

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Hi Zorweb I don't know where you are or if you still post. But I'd like to thank you for the detail and insight on becoming a doormat.

My WF and I are in Plan A. I was having some confusion about how to proceed in Plan A and how I should act. I appreciate the clarity. thank you.

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great post!

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This is such a good post, I would like to see it on more of the forums. It really gives a great description of the MB plan. Thanks.

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believer...in one respect, it is posted all over the place...Johnh39 responds to many (most?) new posters and includes the link in his basic info...and others too may have it in their signature links.

But I often wonder if people don't read these links? (Some of the subsequent actions/advice would indicate NO). If so, that's a crying shame because there's lots of good info both here and in other recommended links...I re-read this one again today (which is why I am responding here now) in order to refer to the material in one of my posts.

Thanks again John...I know you were one of the first to throw a lifeline to many of us when we first arrived here at MB...awed

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I think that people have a lot of misconceptions as it pertains to the principles of Plan A and Plan B. WHen posters expound on the principles they sometimes cover material not stated in the Q&A, and articles. Also, at the onset of finding out about an A, emotions run wild and clear thinking heads out the door. So maybe things become murky as people + try to apply principles read.

I feel like I'm a student of MB University. I am also grateful for the side effects of becoming a more rounded person after following these principles. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

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Ark -

While in Plan A, how does one handle obvious lies from the WS, such as where they were, what time coming home, what time going to call?

Are you just supposed to say "well you said you would be home 5 1/2 hours ago, but that's okay honey"

If he says he wasn't with OP, but you know he was, do you just say okay to this too?

If you tell him he is lying, than would that be a love buster?

They say you will feel like a dormat but not to be one, especially if your spouse is endangering you. To me lies are very destructive to the person being lied to, dangerous to their sense of self, perception of reality, etc.

So how does a plan A'r handle lies.

To say "you are a liar" is not a disrectful judgement when they are lying, it is the truth, right?

Thanks Ark - just something that has been puzzling about Plan A.

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Ark,

I see you are here this a.m., so wanted to see if you could give me advice on this.

I am no longer in my relationship, but while I was trying to plan A, I was never able to handle the lies in a non LB'ing manner.

Going foward, and if I am going to try and be supportive of others in this dilemma (sp), I think I need to learn a few things, such as this.

Thank you again,

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weaver....

I guess what I think people should do is think before talking or speaking to the WS...even in the face of lies...
that taking those few seconds is the one of the best tools to manage...and even making sure that they are really listening to what the WS is saying...

commonly we all begin to formulate our answers in our heads and we don't listen to the others...

a great example of this is when you are in a group and people are going around saying there names and maybe what they do for a living...or how many kids or some tidbit..
the majority of people are so busy planning in their heads what they are going to say...we rarely listen to others...and can rarely remember others names just told to us..cause inside we were practicing our own response....

lots of different ways to respond to lies....

lbing..not the best route...BUT probably the most expected...and the one that plays in to WS lies also...

see you don't trust
see i can't tell you the truth
see how you control me....

so the approach can be different...

I suggest...always remaining calm...
sometimes when we lower our voices it get a lot more attention when we raise them
also dead on eye contact....stare em down...not with a glare but just dead in the eyes...

and say things like...

I know that sometimes all of us can get stuck in a path of misleading and lying....and I know that people who probably dont' want to lie, have a difficult time seeing other paths....but I believe that you WS somewhere do and always have placed some sort of value on the truth..
and i want you know that you do have other choices....

or you can say...
I think that deep down you want to be an honest person
and that you want to tell the truth.
I am hopeful that you believe that in yourself as well.

or you can say..
when you say you will be home and then come hours later I feel __________________________ and it's an awful way to feel....

and leave it back on them....

you can't make them tell the truth..
it is either something they value or not....
but you can show them that you believe in their ability to value the truth....

someone here told their spouse that they beleived that they were an honest man and there for it would be wrong of them to expect anything but honesty from you...

change YOUR wording
change YOUR response...
that's all you can control
plant seeds of hope
plant seeds of value
plant seeds of what can be...

it's hard weaver...
really hard..

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You are right, it all boils down to how we choose to react, lovingly or with anger.

Also remembering to emphasize the good deep down that we know is there, somewhere.

It's funny I am trained at work to do this with employees, but it is so hard to remember this in a romantic relationship.

Of course even at work there is always one who never rises to the occasion, and we have to let them go. We can't say firing anymore, we say permanent separation. And we tell them that we are really just setting them free to find a career path that will bring out their best (because we still know that it is there, somewhere, lol).

Thank you Ark,

Weaver

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