I have noticed with my WW that because everything SHE says is a lie, she thinks everyone else is lying too.
And when I have asked why she felt the need to tell me untruths (for example she swore NC when she had a second cellphone) she said " I told you want you want to hear".

I explained that I was grateful she tried to spare me pain (!) but that the truth is the only thing we need to share now that the A is in the open. She still lies to everyone - her sisters, the OM GF, me, the kids....she has been truthful all her life yet now she is a total liar. She has PROUDLY told me how she and OM lied through their teeth to convince OM GF that they hadn't had sex, saying "we told her you were a crazy jealous husband. Two people say we didn't and only you say we did. We win".

* sigh *

Apart from the sexual and emotional betrayal this lying will be hard for me to forgive. Its all hard isn't it?

Ah well....go mow the grass, Bob ! The kids can play on it tomorrow then ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

I cannot take anything she says with any credence at all right now I'm afraid.

I would not call them an out and out liar.

I might want to say something like, "I know I've given you reason to lie in the path. I prefer to hear the truth, even if it hurts. I hope that what you said was the truth."

or I might just sigh and shake my head and be quiet.