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How does one know if someone is an alcoholic?
Close family this past summer say he just drinks too much, yet they continue to drink with him even after knowing all the trouble it has caused our family. I have tried setting example and just graciously decline drinks when around his family. I guess they are in denial just as he is that he has a drinking problem.

I understand what you say CSue, when you say I did not cause his drinking problem, I cannot control it, and I cannot cure it. That he has to want to help himself.

How can I find a good Alanon program? I guess I could find a website for Alanon. I will try that.

Am I doing the right thing? Should I just try to take it and be quiet about his drinking? But I am human, at times I will get frustrated with it and say the wrong thing I am sure. I don't think we deserve to be around behavior like that when he has been drinking. I wish he could just be a happy-go-lucky type person when he drinks.

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Hi Amarylis! I can relate very well - my FWH is sober 67 days, today. First, the way I found Al-Anon meetings in my area was to type in Al-Anon and my city - that took me where I needed to be. Also, on-line meetings are held nightly at Miracles In Progress in the "Al-Anon Room" (you can get to there site by typing "Miracles In Progress" in the search line on Yahoo). Now, as far as should you "try and take it and be quiet about his drinking?" When I first went to Al-Anon, the advice I was given was to give it 6 months of active Al-Anon attendance before I did anything. I learned ALOT! My biggest buffer, so to speak, when my husband would become angry after drinking too much, was to say "I am not going to discuss this with you when you've been drinking, I will be happy to discuss it with you when you are sober." I must have said this 5-10 times a night. Also, the most important thing you need to understand is that your H has to come to the realization that he is an alcoholic on his own - no one can make him "hear it" unless he wants to hear it. Every alcoholic has their own "rock bottom" that they must hit before they come to the realization that they have a problem, so telling him he needs to go to AA may cause you more trouble than good if he is not ready to hear it. You have to be strong and start taking care of yourself.

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amarylis,

I also posted on JFO.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">How does one know if someone is an alcoholic? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Only the alcoholic can diagnose him or herself. It's the only disease that works that way. There is great information at AA meetings. If you find a good one, it should have brochures with questions to help decide if someone is an alcoholic or not.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> How can I find a good Alanon program? I guess I could find a website for Alanon. I will try that. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Start with a website to find a local group. You could also ask treatment centers which ones are good. Once you find an alanon group, pay attention to what they are saying. Are they solution oriented? Meaning do they talk about the problems and situations and then tell how the steps and alanon program have helped them overcome the situation. Keep looking and asking for a good meeting or group in your area.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Am I doing the right thing? Should I just try to take it and be quiet about his drinking? But I am human, at times I will get frustrated with it and say the wrong thing I am sure </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I believe that you are doing the right thing. Alanon will helpo a lot cuz there are people there who have been thru it. It is a safe place. Most people unless they have been affected by alcoholism, don't have any idea how to really help. They may have good intentions just don't know.

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http://www.al-anon.org/ is the main website. Al-Anon is a worldwide organization, and so it is broken down into regional areas that have their own meeting schedules and information. You can find your local information service thru the worldwide website, or you can look up Al-Anon in the phone book. Or call a local AA group and ask them for the local Al-Anon information service number - they'll know.

Some areas have great websites. The Pennyslvania Area has one (I know, I built it for them! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> ) that has a database of all Al-Anon meetings in PA.
Just in case anyoen reading this wants a meeting in PA - try http://www.pa-al-anon.org/

Online resources - http://www.steps2recovery.org/ is a relatively good mailing list.

Anyway, find a meeting and go. As someone else already suggested, don't make any life altering decisions for at least 6 months.

Lets get rid of some of your frustration for you! There is nothing you can do or should do to convince his family that he has a drinking problem. All you are going to do is cause resentment and disbelief amongst family members. It doesn't matter what they think or believe, it won't change your situation even ONE iota.

And sweetie, if you feel like having a drink, have one. Refusing alcholol around his family just makes you self-righteous. Your husband is going to drink, whether or not YOU are drinking. He isn't a child - you aren't required to set him a good example - his disease is NOT caused by other's examples or whether or not other people drink in front of him.

Now, if you have a tendency to fight with him after having a few drinks yourself - well then its a good reason to avoid it - because you need to keep a clear head. Impairing your own good judgement is not wise. But if you are simply turning away a glass of wine with dinner because HE is an alcoholic....well...do you see how silly that is? Because he'll notice, interprete your actions as self-righteous, as will his family, and then he'll probably drink an extra one just for you, just to prove he isn't an alcoholic! And then you get to feel like a self-righteous victim (*I* am not in denial, *I* didn't drink in front of him, and everyone hates me now!) Yes, its crazy, I know.

I live with an active alcoholic. Believe me, there is absolutely NOTHING you can do to change or control his disease. He has to chose help for himself and then actively choose it for himself.

The only thing you can do is get help for yourself, with Al-Anon. Alcoholism is cunning, baffling and powerful. It is much bigger than you are. That's why in the first Step of Al-Anon (usually at rock bottom for most of us): We admitted we were powerless over alcohol -- that our lives had become unmanageable.

Recognizing that we do NOT have power or control over other people, situations or diseases is a powerful thing.

But its not without hope because in the next step we: Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

Ahhah. You and I don't have power or control over anything but our own actions, behavior, and choices. But there is something else bigger than us who does have the power to straighten out the mess we have made of our own lives.

And what is that power? Well in step three, we: Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.

The God of YOUR understanding might be very different from mine. But that's ok. I only have to turn MY life over to MY higher power. You get to turn your life over to YOUR higher power <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Anyway, thats a very very brief cliff notes to the first three steps.

The promise of the 12 steps is that we WILL become happy, joyous and free - no matter if the alcoholic is drinking or not.

So welcome to the club! You are on the path to serenity <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

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BrambleRose,

Thank you so much for the post to the Penna alanon website!!! I had not found that before & will be up there at Christmas. Did you do the AA one as well? Is that what you do for a living or just very talented on the computer?

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Nope I didn't do the AA one. The PA area asked me to build theirs - I've done freelance webdevelopment for years out of my home. Couldn't find full time employment doing it though, so now my day job is a secretarial position - though I still do alot on the side. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />


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