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WHAT TIME AND WHAT CHANNEL???
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You can go to drphil.com and find out. I think that's the website.
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It was on 3PM cst on CBS.
It was a very good show! Post more later. He really should have Dr. Harley on as a guest.
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Welp, I watched Dr. Phil and he was WONDERFUL!!!!
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Hi. Will someone please sum up what he said? I didn't get a chance to watch it. Thanks, Can't Sleep
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Hi. Will someone please sum up what he said? I didn't get a chance to watch it. Thanks, Can't Sleep
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Hi. Will someone please sum up what he said? I didn't get a chance to watch it. Thanks, Can't Sleep
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Here's the Link, Can't Sleep. [b]Dr. Phil on Cheaters - Click Here[/b] <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> Love, Jo
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imvho...
He really should have Dr. Harley on as a guest.
I don't think that the Harley concepts would be well received on his show. Dr. Phil is so totally no-nonsense about infidelity that a Plan A being done by the BS would be just that..."Bull $^*#" to him. According to him the WS is the one that "ran it into the ditch" and they are the ones that "have to fix it". He specifically states that on his show and in his books.
Also, he stands firm on the position that the reason that people have affairs is because they CAN. And, he is directing that at the BS. As long as the BS sticks around and puts up with it, it's gonna continue. He condones "demanding" that it stop or you walk. He also is big on respect. He told a lady today...you tell him that he WILL treat you with respect or not treat you at all. Again, telling the BS to be the one to pull the plug on it.
He points out that this isn't a dress rehersal. This is the real thing and we only get this one shot at it. Life is too short to be miserable. Change it... remove yourself from the misery.
One thing that I did notice in another show was that he gets furious when a parent is doing something that puts the kids at risk. He firmly believes that it is up to the other parent to put a stop to it. If the kids future is at risk he will suggest "drop kicking their [censored] to the curb" before letting that happen. There is no place in a family for a mother that overspends to the point of having nothing for the future...or a father that is an alcoholic and continues to let the bottle be his life. Protect the kids at all costs...even if it costs the marriage.
I tend to agree with his concepts. He advocates to say what you mean and mean what you say. There is no margin for error there.
As Always, JMHO committed
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Yikes, sorry for the triple post. Thanks for the link! Can't Sleep
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Committedandlovingit,
You really hit on the main points of the show, way to go. I agree with you that Dr. Phil's no nonsense approach really wouldn't click with Dr. Harley's principles all that well.
Also, why would you invite your competition onto your show? I doubt he'd ever have another psychologist on his show, but I could be wrong.
As I did the last time Dr. Phil had a show on about infidelity, I took some notes. I found today's show quite informative and thought provoking. Here are some quotes I wrote down:
"I understand the gravity of what I did and I want to fix it." "I'm not gonna sweep it under the rug." "You work on it until you get it fixed." "You have the right to feel the way you feel." "You need to make a decision - you're going to work to get over this, or get out of it - don't live in limbo the rest of your life." "If there was nothing improper going on, why did you hide it?" "Would I have done this if he/she had been there watching?" "You can't fix what you don't acknowledge." "If you knew then what you knew now, would you have done this marriage?" "Don't invest more than you can afford to lose." "This relationship is doomed if you don't get honest and straightforward." "If you don't want in it, get out, but don't keep the other person in limbo." "The only thing worse than being with someone who doesn't want to be with you for however long (eg. 2 years), it's someone who doesn't want to be with you after 2 years and 1 day." "The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour." (He says this every show, doesn't he??) "You have to work one day at a time to rebuild trust and you need to decide whether you'll be willing for that to take place or not." "If you're never gonna trust him, he's dead in the water, tell him so and move on." "Let's stop now OR let's start over (don't stay in it if your heart's not in it)." "When someone has been betrayed, a necessary condiition is to know you've been heard, and that he gets what he did and is aware of the pain he's caused you." "You either talk about this, or the marriage is over." You have a right to say, "You're gonna treat me with dignity and respect or you're not gonna treat me at all." <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> "You gotta stand up for yourself, you gotta get some backbone." "You gotta WORK through this stuff." "If this is a life sentence, if you're the kind of person who'll never be able to forgive, then turn 'em loose, end it." <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> "You get one trip through this world, and I'll be damned if I'll spend it miserable." "Don't stuff it down and pretend it doesn't bother you, really work through it." "You get what you ask for in life. If you ask for nothing, you get nothing." <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> "You have to work on this TOGETHER."
And his finaly two statements were: 1) "If you're the one that runs it into the ditch, you're the one that must get it back up on the road." (But he also said you have to work on it together.....????) 2) People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.
The quotes with little "eek" icons are the ones that I think I need to carefully consider in my own relationship. I need my H to decide what he wants already and not leave me in limbo (but I know I should try to be patient, but after 6 months...shouldn't he have some clue what he wants?), and I need to demand that he treat me with respect and dignity, not like some dirty little secret girlfriend (as he's treating me right now).
Well, I hope my selective "transcript" was of use to some!
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Jen,
Thanks so much for the transcript. It certainly is something to think about. More of a Toughlove approach.
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The thing that I found most alarming about the show was the level of cluelessness and not "getting it" among the WS. Especially the guy who doesn't understand why his W doesn't like him to go drinking with his friends at the bar where the OW still works. Duh! Then he said 'Well she can come with me if she wants to." Yes, every betrayed wife would love an evening out drinking under the gaze of the OW and her friends.
The pregnant WW who called in was sickening too. She doesn't know who the baby belongs to, and doesn't want to tell her H about her affair. She calimed that she "desperately" wants to stay in her marriage, and then admitted that she'd still be with the OM if he hadn't dumped her. Aargh.
I do think Dr. Phil gave them some good advice and made some of them realize how ridiculous they sounded.
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Jen,
1) "If you're the one that runs it into the ditch, you're the one that must get it back up on the road." (But he also said you have to work on it together.....????)
I think this statement is the part where the BS has their work to do. If this is a life sentence, if you're the kind of person who'll never be able to forgive, then turn 'em loose, end it."
I believe that the BS has to work on forgiving the WS, if they want the marriage to work. That is their biggest contribution to doing it together. (imho) Working on trusting the person is another thing that I think he meant when he said "work on it together".
fairydust, I do think Dr. Phil gave them some good advice and made some of them realize how ridiculous they sounded. I am going to go out on a limb and say that I have read some posts from people on this site that sound just as ridiculous. It wouldn't be pretty if he got hold of them either. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> It is always easier for us as outsiders looking in, we see the lunacy.
As Always, JMHO committed
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Jen,
you said this and it really sturck me:
"I need my H to decide what he wants already and not leave me in limbo (but I know I should try to be patient, but after 6 months...shouldn't he have some clue what he wants?)"
What about what you want. This statement makes it sound like you've surrendered all of your power to your H. How about YOU decide what YOU want? How about Dr. Phil's idea that you teach people how to treat you. Seems like he's in limbo because he can be.
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Katie Scarlett,
Wow, you have pegged exactly what I've been debating about since yesterday.
I want, and have always wanted, to save our marriage and get back together, no matter how much hard work that may involve. I've made that VERY clear to my H.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">This statement makes it sound like you've surrendered all of your power to your H. How about YOU decide what YOU want? How about Dr. Phil's idea that you teach people how to treat you. Seems like he's in limbo because he can be. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I've been wondering if the next time we talk if I shouldn't demand to know whether my H wants to commit to working on and saving this marriage or not. I have repeated and repeated that phrase about how people treat us how we let them treat us over and over in my head.....
Right now, I am not allowed to contact him. He has not told anyone in his family that we are in contact again. Any time we spend together is anywhere but out in public. I guess he gets to keep treating me like crap, only calling me when he feels like it, only seeing me for limited amounts of time, and keeping me as a dirty little secret from his family so long as I allow it.
But if I don't "allow" this, I won't get to see him at all or be with him at all.
I know he is all about power, and darn it, I've let him have all the power here. Some people on MB say he deserves all the power as the BS.
I guess it's my desperation to be with my H and my fear of him telling me tough, NO, I don't want to be with you, that keeps me from demanding an answer.
It's easier to live not knowing (and hold onto an ounce of hope), than to force the issue. That and so many people keep on telling me to be patient and let him have time to decide.
My best friend asked me how long I'm going to wait to let him decide....I said until the 1 year separation is up I guess....but I don't want to wait that long...but if I demand to know now, I could get labelled as the one who dragged us into a divorce....I'd rather he had to do that...
I don't know what to do. I want more than this, I want better, as Dr. Phil said, "I deserve to be treated with dignity and respect." But if I demand it, he may just tell me I'm out of luck and he wants nothing to do with me.
It's such a difficult time of year too.....
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> Wow, KS, you really have me going here....got any more thoughts? I'm going to have to really think about this one. I am at a crossroads....and I'm sick of being here.
Jen <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
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Anyone have a video? If so please post, or email me at lisaannsmail@yahoo.com
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Jen, Let me first say that i'm probably the LAST person who should be giving advice on a MB forum. I think some of the MB concepts are bogus. Some are great.
I have logged far more hours as the wayward one than anything else. That said - here's how i've handled post d-day negotiations in the past.
I would suggest allowing your partner some time and space to deal with their own feelings about the betrayal. After a few weeks or months (depending) I have said something like "I love you. I want to be with you and I want to work this out. If you can't be with me right now I understand that and maybe it's better that we move towards a more permnant seperation."
My self esteem could never handle the long drawn out [censored]-kissing of the BS. I can feel for the betrayed person but unending punishment just felt abusive to me.
I have also said (after 6-8 months) "are we going to focus on punishing me or are we going to focus on making this better. I want to be a better person. I had hoped that I could do that in this relationship. Maybe not."
I don't know if my thinking is in line with MB thinking. It's just my opinion.
(i'm sure i'll get the hellfire of flames from some BS and I post this accepting that reality.)
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KS,
Thanks for sharing that. I may end up using some of those words with my H eventually. It has been 6 months since D-day now for us. I agree with your remark about a$$-kissing the BS being too hard on one's self-esteem.
You have every right to give your 2cents worth on this forum. It's a place for BSs and WSs alike. I know you and I as WSs are somewhat fewer in numbers, but we all learn from each other. I think this place would be a lot less useful if it only consisted of BSs.
BTW - in regards to your other thread, if your head says don't do it, don't!!
Take care,
Jen
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