Sad Eyes thank for your response to the message posted on Prayers section. The quote you left me to read from a minister you speak with came to be very helpful. I showed this to my WH and he was appaled and we soon realized how little fiath and encouragement humans have and we realized the types of Ministers we want not to become, such as the one you spoke to. My prayers are with this minister. His lack of faith in God is clearly shown. Wherever anything seems to be dead, God raises it from the grips of death and brings life into it. It could be a garden or a person's soul. Thanxs to your message God has proved to us that we are better to now Him and that regardless of what a "simple minister" believes God is wiser and stronger and for God nothing is impossible. His discouraging quote only brought me closer to God and made my husband become closer to God's power and not man's. I would like to thank you and I do forgive youa nd this minister for the wrongness that was said and implied. May God bless you and keep you, always.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> Well I think you need to have your post here so people know EXACTLY what you said.

this is your post I referred to and I will also post the response from prayer request where you left it..I still feel you are not equipped to be ministers of the gospel of Christ till you get your life staightened out..stop living in sin.
and repent.
the blind cannot lead the blind..

now here is your post..
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posted June 28, 2003 05:01 PM
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I have been married for 5 years to a handsome, educated man. Our marriage has been rockie from the beginning. Through the years my H mood swings has escalated and his fits of rage have left holes in our walls. He degrades women in every possible way. When he gets angry he explodes. He was adopted from birth. He had a father who was cold and would degrade him all the time. My H has a sex addiction. He is in a 12 step program for this. He has been in therapy for the past three years but it doesn't seem to be helping too much. He is suffereing from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and taking medication for it. Thisis due to the fact that we found out he was molested as a child. He is not living with me for the past 3 months. He does come around to visit our son. Many times we have gotten into arguments and have even become physical. I have had to defend myself from him when he has blocked my path or cornered me. He has mentally, verbally and emotionally abused me since I have known him. It seems that he is getting worse. I childhood friend invited me to a wedding and my H found out and he exploded in rage. He started to yell and threaten to take our son away from me. He even said that if I went he would take a shotgun and blow me away and anyone else around because he has nothing more to loose since he already has lost everything. He has scared me to death by his threats, his actions and I have had to defend myself many times. The problem is that every day I am at home afraid to leave the house. I am afraid to get close to anyone. I still love him but I am confused and I don't even recognize him or me anymore. When I speak with him he is cold and callous. He speaks to me like I don't matter but then he will apologize and say he loves me. He has asked for another woman's phone number a couple of weeks ago. He is dramatically changing right before my eyes. I can't keep up. The worse part of it all is that we are both studying to be ministers and right when we are reaching a goal of wanting to better our spirituality with God all this is happening. I don't know what else to do. I pray and I pray and I feel my spirits running low right now. I know satan is working overtime to destroy us. I am still faithful, though! I am homebound with my son and scared of trusting anyone. So I ask if you can please pray for us. Thank you!
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the thing is...if you repent and get right with God fine then by all means then preach the Gospel but if you continue in sin there is no help for you till you come to the cross yourself..you said..it was hopeless it was not working for your husband..prayer will work but you need to do the work..repent and stop practice sinning.before you can help others.
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my response and other ministers..
I did continue to pray..but he felt you were sold out to satan..I guess with what you said.
unless you repented..did you repent?? the word says that in the end times people will be turned over to a depraved mind to do those things....and it looks to me by reading this you were living as a reprobate...I hope for your sakes you turned around and asked God to forgive you your sins and walk in the light and stop doing those deeds of the darkness..other wise you serve satan..not God..
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posted June 30, 2003 02:58 PM
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I want you to know I am praying about your situation, matter of fact I asked another minister to pray and to respond to you through me..and this is what he said....and I also feel the same way he does..it is why I prayed alot before responding, because I had nothing to say.
so I will let him speak for both of us and I pray you will HEAR HIM..(I approached him as I do for others to see if he would be willing to councel with you and husband..this was his reply and he knows what he talks about..he has worked with some hard cases..please heed this..I told him I am going to put his response to me..because I was saddened that he felt you are almost beyond help..prove satan wrong..turn your life around now..separate from husband..now..get yourself help forget about a ministry..you need to walk with God before you can talk the talk and walk the talk...in His love..I pray that God will meet you at the foot of the cross..where you can repent...and be washed in his blood..and be forgiven..and be a child and learn of Him..you cannot teach..you have nothing to teach..you need to learn first..eat of the Bread of Life..and pray.Keep on Keeping on!!!
ok read his words to you..now (he is not telling you to shoot your husband..although I see what he means.in self defense..you might end up doing that IF you do not get away from the man..you do not need him...he is sick..he is depraved..)

(I believe God is greater then he that is in the world...and nothing is impossible with God..)
HERE IS THE REST YOU TALKED ABOUT FROM HIM..hopefully you have proved him wrong, maybe thats what he thought you would do..grin.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
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I don't think I can help you on this one. I could write a response, but you would not like it, nor would this pathetic woman. I do not believe any of her story. If any of it is trues then obviously both these people need to get saved or grow up or learn something.

Ministry? WHAT ministry? Pastors? She is NOT qualified and obviously he is not either.

The problem here is that HE is focused on himself and SHE is focused on herself and NEITHER of them are focused on Jesus!

They want to be ministers?

lol How will they counsel others,
when they cannot counsel themselves with the ultra basic idea of FOCUSING ON JESUS!

Pray for them she says!
HUH? Pray for what?
That she grows up and wises up enough to divorce this bozo and forget about the "ministry" and go work at McDonalds?

And that she get a gun and shoot this joker if he comes around again?

OK! I could pray for that!

And virtually every pastor I know would advise the same thing!

No it is not satan trying to destroy them.

He is laughing because he does not have to.

They have destroyed themselves!

Sorry about this.

But no way I can help on this one.

This is TOUGH LOVE Counseling!"

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<small>[ July 15, 2003, 11:55 AM: Message edited by: SadEyes ]</small>

Thank you for your response. I wasn't sure if I would hear from you or not. Well, I must tell you since the time you posted your message there have been dramatic changes and our faith in God has developed into something that can't be easily shaken down. my husband and I have found our paths, even though it is hard to maintain a secure relationship with each other, as individuals we need to become what God designated us to become, FIRST, then we can suceed in the other facets of life. As individuals we are on our way to trying to unify our lives with Christ. We remain sinnful and we will always be sinful until X comes. God works in mysterious ways. Within strife we have found ourselves and God's hand has been ever so present. Even though our relationship has fallen apart completely God has been able to lift me up from the rubble and I am now able to confront what it is that I need to confront in my own private life. i do not appreciate you saying we are living in sin. You should be saying WE all are living in sin for we will not be perfect until Christ comes. We all have faults and we all will fall but it states, "if the LORD delights in a man's way he makes his steps firm; though he stumble, he will not fall, for the LORD upholds him with his hand" Psalm 37:23, 24 1 Peter 1:6,7 Psalm 71:20, 21. You have commited a sin be judging and stating that we alone are living in sin and not with Christ. Only God knows the struggles I deal with and God is in my life. This minister has called God a lier and for God nothing is completely dead or broken otherwise ther would be no use for our faith in Him. Like I said your message inspired me to stand firm and beleive that God is greater than our mere human knowledge. The mission of us should be uplifting to one another and NOT damming in spirit. I appreciate you from not be so quick to condem becuase you are not a judge and only God knows our hearts. Thank you and I will keep you in my prayer list.

1john 1;9
If we confess our sins HE is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

We ALL have sinned and come short of the Glory of God.

yes we are all sinners..that is why God sent Jesus to die for us..

it says to confess our FAULTS one to another..
and if you want to get so technical..
you need to read and stop trying to be so argumentive..admit you are a sinner..as I have I sin yes but I have a saviour who I can go to and He will cleanse me..

what you said in your post was that you BOTH were living in sin..you were not living a godly life or one that would glorify God.

I answered to what you needed..if you didn't need
prayer or want to get right with God..then so be it..I do not understand what your problem was.

I figured you were in need of some guidence sounded like your husband is a very dangerous person. not one who would qualify to minister to another person..what would he offer if he didn't have Jesus..???

Jesus is the way..and you know that..why do you want to argue...as far as people judging..we have the right to judge another christian and pull them out of the fire..and I am sure you know that..but be careful that we aren't pulled into the same sin..tempted..too..but to pull them out...well I will pray for you..if I offended you I am sorry..I was trying to get you on track to be right with God..if anything you ought to be thankful..I guess probably it is embarassing to feel that you were not living in the light.but if you look at your post read it and see what would you do? what would you say..lets hear you respond? to yourself..pretend your a christian seeing it..

I saw a women in trouble living with someone who was depraved..you need to get out and protect yourself..even ministers some of them beat their wives..there are ministers who do not live what they preach..I know I had one minister where I went to church that did beat his wife..he had to leave the ministry..

people everyone can backslide and you can die in your sin..but God is faithful and just and HE wants all to be saved..

God bless you and may you walk humbly before our God..and Saviour..Jesus Christ..and may you be one of the overcomers..
EarthAngel <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

FYIO I am going to be gone so there won't be any more responses from me.
God bless and I hope things go well for you and hubby that you continue to find your strength in the Lord.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

I don't see how people who have children can be at the puter so much..I have no one here and I don't even find lots of time to just sit at the computer for endless hours.

my kids use to keep me very busy. but that was a different time..now I guess they take care of themselves..hrmmmm..poor babys..

I also think if people spent less time on the computers maybe they would be able to get their life together..this is not the place to get emotional help..a therapist would be much better..
most people here need help themself.

I hope your getting some professional councelling.
take care and go talk to a REAL MINISTER....
take care of you..

I sorta am just tired of being online with all the phonys not knowing who is real and who is not.
it is a big waste of time..good advice is to get a real life..

I thank you for your words but it seems to me that judging still seems to overpower your ideas and beliefs in Christ. It is a shame when someone pretends to know God 100% this is blasphemous and extrememly dangerous to one's spirituality. I am glad that you are going to stop your flowing fountain of misunderstood knowledge. There is a reason why people speak what they speak and not always there is an opportunity to speak the truth that really counts and it is beneficial. I am sorry but your interpretation of scripture is too literal and you missed the greater significance of what it means to 'CONFESS'. If you would like to further know the real meaning of the messages in scripture first one must be filled with the divine spirit and then seek knowledge and then you will be able to understand the real significance of the texts you give. when you go back to the original language you will be able to understand the meaning of this verse and others, with greater appreciation. Knowing what the bible is saying is key to further understanding God's message and God's purpose for each and evry one of us. I will pray that you will give fufilling inspiration and not misguided hot headedness empty words. I must say that there are many that throw out messages of incouragement but are filled with deception. Do remember that Satan also uses one's knowings of the bible and God to spiritually down many and manipulate others. I feel for you and those that are yet not aware of what their words do to one another. There are many that do use their knowledge of Truth to judge. You are not Christ and you will never be Christ so don't pretend to be Him and do His job. My heart goes out to you and I hope you find fufillment in your spritual life. If you want to help people I would advice you to consider taking some scholarly biblical courses and expand your horizons not just by one person or one perspective but through several perspectives. Only when we seek for knowlwedge can we learn to see and believe the greatness of God. God opens us up to His knowledge and it shall never end. The bible is filled with many complexities and throwing out verses simply because it sounds credible enough, to the given situation is very misleading. As a person who is in her master's program in thoelogical thought and in pastoral education I must say that you need further assistance with the Holy Spirit and then one will be able to see richness that scripture holds. This is only how you will be able to expand your mind and stand firmer in your own individual convictions and eventually learn how to REALLY love your bretheren, how christ does(and pretending to be Christ is also wrong so be aware that you not walk in the path of fools and unrighteousness by doing this)! If you stop ignorance and seek to understand the word of christ through the Spirit of God, you will then be able to know how not to mislead people. Best of luck!!!