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I hear a lot about WS being in a fog. Can anyone explain the fog theory including the following:
1. Symptoms felt by WS 2. Actions taken by WS (both toward OP and BS) 3. Average time it takes for fog to be lifted 4. Feelings felt by WS for OP and BS 5. In touch with reality vs. fantasy and illusion 6. Anything the BS can do to help lift the fog 7. How the WS can tell if they are in the fog 8. How WS and BS go about things once the fog does lift
I would appreciate any feedback as I am grappling with the pain and loss of a WS.
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I'm sorry you are going through this. I'm new to this also. I'm learning little by little. I'm not gonna give you a whole lot of advice, I'll let the more experienced people do that. I would suggest reading Surviving an Affair by W. Harley. It may help answer some questions. I know how you feel. I'm in the same boat. Hang in there! I know you want more answers and quickly, but if you are patient, others will post with good info...
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Hi always...as a FWW, I'll try to answer your questions to the best of my ability. I'm not an expert, but I have personally experienced the infamous Fog in a major way.
1. Symptoms felt by WS--Symptoms...hmmm. Well, for me the "fog" was the belief that I was in love with the OM, that he was my soulmate, and that I needed to leave my husband and end my marriage so I could marry the OM. The "fog" was the belief that what the OM and I had was something special, something unique...when in fact it was both a sin and a cliche. It was a big, fat illusion.
I was still in the fog on D-Day and afterwards, even though I immediately recognized that the EA was over and I had to start working on repairing and restoring my marriage. I was going through the motions of doing this because I was still fogbound and thinking I would love the OM forever. As I've recounted elsewhere here, going through the motions was actually a good thing, because eventually it became real.
So, symptoms of fog? Sadness. Crying. Depression. Grieving the loss of the OP. Acting distracted. My H and my sisters tell me they would often catch me with a far-off look on my face. Most of the time I tried to hide these symptoms from my H, and act like everything was fine...but it was as if he could read my mind.
2. Actions taken by WS (both toward OP and BS)--Part of my fog, early on, was to secretly try to reinitiate contact with the OM. I had actually re-initiated it and my H discovered it, and as I've retold earlier, all hell broke loose. He made it clear that any further breaking of NC would mean the end of our marriage. I took that seriously, and have not violated NC since then (about two weeks post-D-Day).
Toward the BS...early on, the fog made me blame my H for the EA. I dredged up every mean and uncaring thing he'd ever done to me, to justify my actions. I actually told him if he had been there for me emotionally, the EA would not have happened. I may have even said, "This is all your fault." <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />
I also did not want to talk about the EA. I didn't want to give him the details he wanted. I was insensitive, at times, to his pain. I wanted him to just "get over it."
I was trying hard to meet his EN's, even though I hadn't heard of MB yet. But I did not have a clear understanding of the extent of his pain until I came to the MB site.
It was reading the material on this site, and reading posts written by BS's, that really made me understand the pain I had caused...and it was straight talk from BS's here that helped lift the fog.
3. Average time it takes for fog to be lifted--I don't know if there is such a thing as an average time. Also, I believe there's a slight difference between "fog" and "withdrawal." I still suffered withdrawal for months after the fog was lifted. I was no longer in the dark about my actions or my H's pain, and I no longer believed the fairy tale that the OM and I had spun together...but I still had times of missing the OM. He had been my friend for two years.
4. Feelings felt by WS for OP and BS--During the fog, I still strongly believed I was in love with the OM. I also loved my H, but I believed I didn't love him as much, or the same, as I loved the OM.
During the fog, there were also times of resenting my H. I sometimes saw him as the meanie who was keeping me away from the person I thought was my soulmate.
Oh yeah...the "soulmate" thing is a big part of the fog. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
At other times, even during the fog, I would feel great tenderness toward my H, and I certainly was sorry for the pain I was causing him. Sex was always great, even during the EA, believe it or not. I was somehow able to separate sex with my H from feelings for the OM. Hard to understand, but true. During the fog, sex with my H never suffered.
5. In touch with reality vs. fantasy and illusion--During the fog, as I said earlier, I was still believing the fantasy...the fairy tale. And I was mourning its loss.
6. Anything the BS can do to help lift the fog--I don't know if my H really did anything that helped to lift the fog. In my case, I credit this site as being the number one thing that lifted my fog. STRAIGHT TALK about infidelity, its consequences, the pain it causes the BS. Even somewhat harsh posts from BS's that told me I needed to stop thinking about myself and start thinking about my H. Those were the things that helped me most of all. Reading books and articles that were factual and realistic about A's.
One of the big fog-lifters is when you realize that what you and the OP had was NOT something special and wonderful...it was a sin, a damaging and destructive illusion, and it is not unique, it happens to people all the time. And it's sad, and tragic, and catastrophic, not beautiful. And if God had really wanted the OM to be my soulmate, He would have put me with him to begin with.
It also helps when you take a good, hard look at the OP (mentally, not in reality.) Ask yourself some questions. Why did the OP pursue me? Why did the OP break his/her own marriage vows and risk hurting his/her S and destroying his/her own marriage? What kind of character does this person have? Is he/she inherently weak? Maybe even a really bad person...a person who habitually uses or preys on vulnerable people?
I had to examine the OM mentally, stripping away all the romantic notions I had built around him. When all of that was out of the way, I saw a weak man with a basic lack of character...a man with deep-seated problems in several areas. He did not begin to measure up to my own H.
7. How the WS can tell if they are in the fog--Quite frankly, I didn't realize I was in a fog until I read about the fog on this site. No doubt about it...it IS real!
8. How WS and BS go about things once the fog does lift--Once the fog lifts, real recovery can begin in a major way. As I said, I had already started going through the motions. Once the fog lifted, I could go forward with recovery whole-heartedly and enthusiastically.
I have a little theory that I need to mention, though. At almost a year to the day past D-Day, I believe that it's possible for little wisps of fog to slip back in at times. I've found that when I'm already down about things, or hormonal, or my H is being a jerk, (as all spouses can be at times!) I will be blindsided by fond or sad thoughts about the OM. When that happens, I make a conscious choice to do several things that help me not wallow in it.
I believe a WS should have a mantra: It's all about my spouse. Focusing on my H, actively doing things for my H, showing him love, meeting his needs, depositing units in his love bank...these are the best ways to insure that wisps of fog don't sneak up on me.
When I was in the throes of the fog, I didn't see my H clearly. I look at him now and think how handsome he is, how sexy he is. I didn't think about that in the fog. All I could think about was the OM.
I hope this was helpful to you in some way. Feel free to ask me any questions.
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Pepperband just made a very good post on this subject in "I need encouragement real bad" thread.
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Sincere 1,
I want to thank you so much for defining the FOG for me. After reading your response, there is no doubt left in my mind that my WS is definitely in the thickest fog of this dreadful storm we're in.
I hope WS realizes that this is a very real concept before it is too late for us. I was so happy to have read someone's success story of recovery for a change. I have read so many downer stories of members who are still in Plan B or other beginning stages.
I have even printed a copy of your response as well as pepperbands and others so I can read them multiple times and even show them to WS who seems to still be a bit openminded to having light shed upon them. Time will only tell.
I would definitely appreciate any further info. from you as to how you reached the point of starting recovery, any bumps you or your H hit in the process and what your relationship is like to this day. Mutual I hope. Thank you again. I will keep you informed of my progress.
ABF
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It was said so well by Sincere 1, but without carefully reading that response I'll reply. I bet you'll see my answers aren't that different. The WS fog thing is not very original for any of us.
I ended the EA/PA 13 months ago.
Here goes: Symptoms felt by WS- We were soulmates! This was so special. We're going to be together forever. In fact, we were flying in the air! (I'm talking about right at first) 2. Actions taken by WS (both toward OP and BS)- I made extraordinary efforts during the A to call OM at the time he told me to call! I felt imprisoned by the affair as far as orchestrating the phone calls at certain times (was mostly long distance A).
My actions towards my BS were mostly of withdrawal from him. I did feel much guilt and confusion. I felt very mentally unbalanced at times. It was hard to lead a double life. 3. Average time it takes for fog to be lifted The fog lifted here and there from the beginning. It fully lifted after OM moved locally, but it took MONTHS for me to have the courage to end it. All together from start of the EA until ending it--4 years. (most of that time was long distance, it wouldn't have lasted very long had he been close by the whole time) 4. Feelings felt by WS for OP and BS- For OP- I felt great passion at times. At other times I felt angry at him, for what had happened. I couldn't quit comparing him to my exH, who was far superior and better for me in every way. I truly hated the out of control emotions I experienced. For BS- I felt deep grief for what I'd done, and that I'd lost him. I still loved him, and thought of him often throughout the A. We both discussed our spouses, but especially exOM. He talked of her so much it was obvious he still loved her. 5. In touch with reality vs. fantasy and illusion There wasn't much reality. It was all illusion.
6. Anything the BS can do to help lift the fog I think that by withdrawing and showing the WS they are okay without the WS that can snap the WS back into reality quicker. Perhaps I'm wrong, but that's how I see it. The WS needs to see what they're losing. 7. How the WS can tell if they are in the fog Thinking junk like "soulmate', 'meant to be'..silly romantic stuff that is immature and not based on real love. 8. How WS and BS go about things once the fog does lift That depends on whether they're both interested in recovery or not.
When I finally ended the A, I felt as if I was back in time four years to when it started. I felt as if my exH should walk in the door, and none of it would have happened . That's truly fantasy, isn't it? I remember saying, "That's over. Phew."
Still waiting for recovery/forgiveness/restoration here!
Hope my info. helps. Not much originality, right? It's so universal, really.
Take care, Hopeful
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by alwaysbeenfaithful: <strong>
I would definitely appreciate any further info. from you as to how you reached the point of starting recovery, any bumps you or your H hit in the process and what your relationship is like to this day. Mutual I hope. Thank you again. I will keep you informed of my progress.
ABF</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Hi ABF...I'm glad my experiences were of help to you.
As far as recovery goes...part of me realized, even on D-Day and even while in the fog, that I needed to recover and restore my marriage, and I mechanically started doing it. As I told you, it eventually became real.
In retrospect, I'm so glad my H wanted me to stay. There was never any question of that, except for that instance when I broke NC. At that point, he made it abundantly and unmistakably clear that no further violations would be tolerated. I would be out the door. I think it's important that he made that clear to me...it gave me the motivation to stay completely away from contact with the OM.
The first few months after D-Day were nightmarish in a lot of ways, as I was still so fogbound and trying to keep it from my H. But there were also great moments of love and tenderness with my H.
I guess the main thing you need to know is that your WS will probably be very confused right now...a real basket case.
I was a stranger even to myself during that time. I didn't understand the things I was feeling, couldn't get any perspective on anything...my usual thought patterns and the way I've dealt with things all my life, were completely jumbled and warped during that time.
Above everything, I think time and patience are the key words. It WILL get better, especially if NC is strictly enforced. NC is very painful for the WS, but it allows the WS to get that distance and eventual perspective that is so needed.
Today is the anniversary of my D-Day, and my life is so different now! I would never want to relive the EA or the ghastly weeks and months following D-Day...but I thank God for the way things are today!
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Hopeful_person,
Hi, thank you for the response. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> It was similar to Sincere1 but also very good. Thanks for the encouragement. You're right that my WS may have a difficult time orchestrating the phone calls since they have to be made at around 11pm. which is very late for WS. Also, I sense that my WS feels that they will be able to just walk in our front door and I would carry on as if it didn't happen as long as they returned. At this point I don't know what or how I will feel when that time comes.
Sincere1,
It's interesting that you say the key words are time and patience because my WS feels that those are the answers they have been receiving from God whenever they pray for help.
I will be in touch. My WS is aware of this site so that is why I am case sensitive about mentioning he's or she's, and also about giving my profile. Maybe in a week or two depending on what evolves from his knowledge about the site, then maybe I will post my profile.
Thanks again. ABF
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