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#1097417 11/06/03 02:14 PM
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Some of you may remember me from way way back when i was a BS cause my H had an EA with a coworkers wife in 2000. and i can say that since then things had gotten better. We moved on.. we did the steps... we recovered. However for the past 3 months or so I have no incentive to keep this marriage together... My h constantly yells at me ... over just about anything. Dinner aint done right.. the kids are bothering him... hecannot find something... It matters not what it is along as he feels he has reason. I am at the point where i cannot stand him. He recently got laid off from work for the winter so he is home al lthe time now. Everything our 3 and 2 year olds do pisses him off. and apparently me too. He is so lackinng in respect and morals and his lack of priorities is at the age level of a 10 year old.
OK so lets be totally honest here. Me and H both smoke pot.. It also seems to be the only time we can get along. .. ITs to the popint where i want to smoke al lthe time ju7st so HE will stop *****ing.
I am by no means claiming to be perfect. I have faults.. YEt i do not believe that ideserve to tread upon like a carpet. HE does not help me with the kids. he has absolutely no patients for them. yet he is expecting me to work the winter while he stays home collects and watches the kids.
I told him flat out that there was no way i was leaving the kids with him. He sits in front of his computer 24/7 with his little gaming buddies and will not play with the kids just yells when they do something wrong. His lack of consideration for this family is crushing me.
I have mentioned this to him howver anything i say only changes things for a day or so then its right back to where we were.
I dont think i want to be in this marraige anymore. I have a husband who is more like a kid who will take our last 50 bucks and go buy a computer game rather than put it on one of the MANY bills we have. I have shutoff notices on every utility i have and he will blow money like crazy. on ANYTHING if thats what he wants. I am at my wits end i am so unhappy and miserable that i just want out. OUr apartment is in his name and i also take care of my 79 year old grandmother. leaving isnt an option for me right now... not to mention that i dont have a drivers license... I just keep thinking to myself that this is not how i want to spend my life chained to a man who either wont hold a job or who works just long enough to collect. .... Any helpful advice or suggestions are welcome.

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I had to leave my H in order to regain any respect for myself. Sometimes it takes many times to leave, before it happens for good. The counsellors who I worked with at abused women's shelters called them "practice leaves".

My H was (and no doubt still is) like yours, where he is very selfish. He was addicted to his precious computer, and wouldn't leave it to spend time with the kids and I (my boys are now 4, and almost 3 times two). Our bills, which had all been in MY name (something I did during my plan A, when he and I were separated for 4 months) were piling up. But of course, he always had cd's to burn on, and smokes, and coffee money. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> You know the story, right? Of course you do... you just shared it with us.

I am SO SORRY that you're going through what you are. It makes it harder when there are little ones in the picture. Ideally, you want a M that is solid and loving, for you, your H, and those great kids. But you don't have that. If you've done your best, and he hasn't, then really, there isn't much more you can do. Either you stay in the M, and try to move on with your life, or you get out of the situation, and do it for real. Both situations will teach your children major lessons. What do you want them to learn?

I understand that "now" is not a good time for you to leave. But please understand, that is just an excuse. There is NEVER a good time to leave a M. Just like there's never a good time to lose a loved one to death, or to find out about an A, etc.

I'm coming up on the one year anniversary since I left my H (November 24, 2002). In my case, I went to an abused women's shelter with my boys. We lived there for almost 1 1/2 months... and that was over xmas too... and we're doing just great now. Heck... we were doing so much better the very moment I made the decision to leave him (I had been planning for over a month).

Some of the things I did, to allow for leaving on the spur of the moment should it be necessary (and it was) were:

- got all of the important documents together, and put them in a safe place (my dad's house, next door). I made sure I had mine and all the boys' birth certificates, health cards, etc. Insurance policy copies, copies of my stbxH's info too... such as his SIN number (we're in Ontario), driver's licence #, paystub copies, etc.
- I gathered items that I wanted to keep, no matter what (such as the photo albums, and the boys' baby books). Again, I put them at my dad's house.
- I packed a suitcase with 2 days worth of clothes for myself and each of the boys. Again, since my dad lived next door, I left it at his place.
- I made my H put all of the utilities in HIS name only. I know his track record... if I were to leave, he wouldn't pay them (not that he did anyways), and why should I be left with HIS debt?
- For my birthday last year (I turned 30), I asked my family for money, so I could start getting my driver's licence. I still don't have it... just a learner's permit (called G1 here)... but it's a start.
- Most importantly, I used the resources in my community to help me to get out. I called some local abused women's help lines, arranged for counselling, etc. They were my lifesavers. They gave me the information and support I needed, to remove myself from my M.

The day I left with the boys, I was just fed up with the constant unsafe feelings. H hit OS hard on his leg... and that was it. We were outta there! My H knew we were leaving ahead of time, but we were waiting on my geared to income housing to come through. But enough was enough.

The hardest part is the actual leaving. You can help yourself do it by planning as much as possible. But it's still the actual physical leaving that is the most difficult. Once you do that.... things DO get easier. Trust me, I lived it.

If there's anything I can do, let me know. You can email me at topie25@hotmail.com too, if you'd like.

Take care,
Karen

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does your husband suffer from depression?

the loss of a job is a tough blow for a man -- it really cuts us to the bone and leaves us feeling helpless in a lot of cases. we cannot provide for our family and that's a very digfficult thing to deal with. the longer it goes, the easier it becomes to give up and we believe the wrong thinking that prevents us from finding work again.

this leads a lot of men to become quite depressed. men who are depressive have a tendency to act out with anger. women with depression get weepy. in both cases, the goal of the depressive is to shield their family from their pain. sadly, just 10 percent of men who have depression ever seek help (we don't like being weak and seeking help is a sign of weakness).

if your husband is depressed, you also run the risk of a depressive cycle (as do your children). ask your doctor for help in finding someone who can assist you in dealing with your husband properly.

i feel for you. my depression nearly ended my marriage. it really is a major influence on families.

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Topie ~~~thanks for the vote of confidence. I know there is never a RIGHT time to do what must be done however i do not that NOW is definately not it... i cannot pack up and move my 78 y/o grandmother nor do i have the means ... her lifespan is short according to her Doc. I will have to wait...
I dont think that shelters are an option to me as there is no physical abuse. but i will look and see what help there is for me.


Whippit~~~~ I do not believe that my H suffers from depresion or if he is he is hiding it well... H knoew Months ago that he would be layed off for the winter... most people do not want to install a swimming pool when it is cold.
And honestly from past experience he seems to look forward to being layed off. yet at the same time he doesnt plan for it.. ie: saves money and looks for a winter job.

H has refused therapy either one on one or marriage... ya know all shrinks are quacks that ride...
I need major changes and i need them fast im losing hope for my M.
All i can think is this is a crappy way to spend the rest of my life. I need so much more than he is willing to give me. and im fighting for my sanity.

<small>[ November 06, 2003, 04:03 PM: Message edited by: LoveOnTheRox ]</small>

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i'm not trying to push you, but depressives become very good at hiding it.

do four or more of these symptoms describe your husband?

persistent sadness or unhappiness
lethargy
loss of interest in previously enjoyable activities
irritability
sudden change in appetite
disruption of normal sleep pattern
physical discomfort
difficulty thinking or concentrating
thoughts of suicide or death

search the web if you think it might be helpful. if he's not depressivem then you've learned something. if he is, you'll know how to go forward.

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An abusive relationship does not mean it involves PHYSICAL acts of violence. I was like you, and thought that b/c my stbxH never hit me, nor did he call me outright derogatory names to my face (curse words, etc)... that that meant I wasn't in an abusive R. Boy was I wrong!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Here's a link to show you the different types of abuse. Physical is only one small portion. In my case, the aforementioned 2 things that my H did NOT do to me, are the ONLY TWO he didn't do on the ENTIRE WHEEL!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

http://www.opdv.state.ny.us/about_dv/pcwheel.html

I'm sorry about your grandmother. That is awfully good of you to be caring for her in her final days (months? longer?).

Whippit has some excellent points on the depression issue. There is no doubt in my mind that my stbxH was severely depressed as well. I know that in my case, my ex is like your H LotR: he wanted NOTHING to do with counselling, or meds, etc. And as most of us are now aware, a person cannot be helped unless they want to be helped first. My ex wasn't one of them.

Keep us posted.

Karen

p.s. do you know about the ladies board too? Bramblerose started it up for "gal chats" and stuff that can't as easily be posted on here. Let me know if you want the link to check it out. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />


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