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I've noticed cases here where the BS is reading and actively trying to save their M and understand why their S had an A and make changes in their M.
I've noticed cases where the WS is participating in making changes and cases where the BS seems to be the only one working to do anything about their M.
But my question now is this, Are there any WS's out there whose BS is clueless to do anything on their own to make changes? Whose BS only makes changes when told what to change? And can't read on their own to find answers?
Or is this just the way it should be? If I want change I have to know what to want changed and ask for it?
Trouble with that is that what I want is what gets me in trouble.
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Interesting question - are you saying your H doesn't want to change, or has no idea where to start? Are you then saying that if you were to guide him, it wouldn't have much effect anyways, because what you want (great name BTW!), is to be with OM?
I can only speak from my experience. My X never once said "I love you, we can work it out". I don't think he was ever truly interested in re-building, but the honest truth is, I think it was more his hurt and his pain that could never be overcome. Now this may sound hard, and I never justify my A, but my X was fairly abusive (physical and emotional) and lived overseas for 2 years prior to me having the A (I only want you to have a little background as to what may seem a very judgemental comment from a FWS).
I guess what I'm trying to say is, unless someone wants to change and improve themselves, whatever you do won't make any difference. Yes, you can say what you would like your H to do, or how you would like him to act, or meet your needs, but if he doesn't want to, or can't (for whatever reason), you're fighting a loosing battle.
Sorry, this is waffle mainly, but I found it a very interesting post...
Wishing you well from London.
Lisa <small>[ January 05, 2004, 08:13 AM: Message edited by: Lisa in London ]</small>
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Lisa, thanks for the name compliment. Our MC asked me about it and it doesn't mean I'm a chocolate addict, but rather I just like chocolate and have also come to the realization that I have addictive tendencies. (that's putting it lightly! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> )
Quick question, you used the word waffle. Is that sort of what I would mean if I used the word babble? I don't think (or didn't know) I've ever talked to anyone from London, and I am a little awestruck. (Kind of like talking to some fictional character from the movie Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory; I want to ask wow, what's it like there?)
All right I'm getting way off track. Sorry.
Re-reading your reply, to answer your question, I guess I'm just feeling like a hopeless case, and am thinking I'm tired of, well, thinking.....
It seems like my A's DDay went from devastation, to revelation, to flood gates opening within me of stuff bottled up for so long, (which was all seeming to go real good for a while there), to now things seem just back to normal. Back to the way I and the M was before the A even happened. I'm still depressed 93% of the time. I still have nothing to talk about. I still am bored with my life, my self, everything. I feel like you couldn't expect a leopard to change it's spots into stripes just by changing the way it thinks so why am I wasting my time trying to change myself. Plus I'm just tired.
I don't know if that makes my post any clearer or probably more confusing. Maybe I'll try tomorrow.
Thanks just for listening and trying to help though.
CA
ps, I don't know why I feel the need to say this, but I have to leave for a while to go to a dentist appt. <small>[ January 05, 2004, 08:31 AM: Message edited by: chocolate....addict ]</small>
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Hello CA - this message will be waiting when you get back from the Dentist!!
Yes, waffle is babble. I'm sorry, I have so many American friends, they all know me by now and the English/Lisa-isms I use!! It is funny you say about not knowing anyone in London and what it is like. Last night I was talking to my friend's daughter who lives in Boston and is 5 years old. My friend told me she has become obsessed with England and all the time says things like "What are the people in England doing now?" "If we're eating breakfast now, what are the people in England doing?" When she came on the phone to chat she said "What are you doing now?" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
Anyway, more waffle!!! I believe that addictive personalities can often go hand-in-hand with the WS. I always refer to myself as an "All or nothing" sort of character - why eat one cookie if you can finish the pack? Why smoke one cigarette, you may as well have 40...... You know what I mean?
Back to you..... I think I hear what you are saying. It's just not going to be easy. That's the bottom line. Depression is a hugely difficult thing to deal with. I never really wanted to take the route of anti-d's but finally sucummbed. I only used them for 2 weeks, but it was enough to get me through and back on track. Perhaps this is something you should consider. I know for me the first 6 months after d-day were hell. It only started to calm down after X moved out. I felt incapable of doing anything at all - I wanted to lie in bed and not move. Being self-employed it was a possibility too...
So, the age old question, what are you doing for you? Do you like exercise? I am a real supporter of exercise, because I *know* how much better I feel if I exercise regularly. What about treating yourself, getting your hair done, nails painted. If you don't have too much spare cash, can you get to the library take out some interesting books, get creative, paint, draw? Whatever it is, find something for you, that you can enjoy and focus on as a way to lift your depression.
Your depression will of course make it incredibly difficult to be loving and caring and fully committed to your M. If you don't care about yourself, it's nigh on impossible to care for someone else.
You're not wasting your time trying to change yourself. Answer me this question, do you honestly like the CA who had the A? I know I really don't like the Lisa who had the A - she was selfish, self centred, egotistical and all out for herself. I don't want that Lisa to ever come back again. I know she has helped to make me who I am today, but she wasn't particularly nice.
It also seems that you have a lot of issues that you need to work on yourself, issues from your past. Until you find some peace within yourself, I think it is inevitable, that you will find your life rather boring and that you are thinking too much - analysis is paralysis as my friend would say.
It's hard. No-one said it would be easy. I'm going to say something not very MB here too, but not all Ms work out. Sometimes, recovery is personal rather than marital (that's how it was for me). But if you don't give it your very best shot (in terms of yourself too), wouldn't you regret it?
Start making a plan of things that you can change or would like to change - new hobbies, goals, hopes - make some small changes, even if it is something like "I'm going to exercise twice a week".
And CA, most importantly, keep talking with your H. How's he doing in all this? Are you having MC?
Hope the dentist didn't hurt too much.
Wishing you well from London
Lisa
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As one addict to another the depression became so bad for me that I had to take something to get through it. It took some work to find the right one but it was worth it.
In order for us to recover I think it requires the work of two people both H and W.
As a WS it seemed easier to have an A and not have to explain what was going on inside of me. It is like having to tell someone it's your birthday so that they'll remember to send you a card. But there were many more issues working on me that I didn't see at the time...maybe there is some help here....I do like waffels <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
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