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If I can borrow an example for church discipline that the bible offers...and I think the principal would work in other situations.

It says (paraphrased here) that if a brother sins against you, you go to them directly and confront them. If they won't here you on the matter, you take two or three others from the church and confront them. If they still refuse to listen, then you bring it before the whole church, before expelling him from the congregation. The lesson here is that there is a right way and a wrong way to deal with someones transgression.

I think that using this pattern, which I beleive is quite decent, is you would first confront the WS. Sometimes...this is all it takes. If they persist, then perhaps some close family memebers or trusted friends. And give that some time to see if it works. If still no luck, then maybe some employers or the OP's spouse.

Again, if I may, another biblical admonition reads that when you see someone overtaken in a fault, you should, with a spirit of meekness, try to restore this person, considering yourself lest you also fall into the same temptation.

And after all...isn't that what Plan A is kind of about?

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<<Exposure is recommended to stop the affair NOT FOR REVENGE. WS often do not want the affair exposed so they can continue the affair.>>

OK, so we&#8217;ve already stopped the affair. My H did NOT post it in the local newspaper and I&#8217;ve not continued or started a new one. But to even up the tab, the article with photos should still be posted &#8211; do I have that correct?

<<had I been your H I would have called OM W and told her first. Then I would have told everyone on both sides of the family that was willing to contact you to stop the affair. Further I would have told our pastor. If OM was an employee of the same company you worked for, I would have told HR and OM boss and your boss. I would not tolerate your continued contact with OM period. Had you continued after exposure I would have kicked you out of the house and cut off all financial support. Do you believe those actions would clear away the fog and stop the affair? You bet!!>>

Well, you certainly got my attention. Again, I&#8217;m glad my H isn&#8217;t you. I thought I had it bad but I couldn&#8217;t survive this -- but this is just me and I'm not the best person (obviously).

<<Of course, you would be upset and humiliated but the affair would have ended and and that is the point of exposure.>>

I agree with this!

<<You had no problem HUMILIATING your children and H. Your only concern was for YOURSELF which is what got you in trouble to begin with - SELFISHNESS. Selfishness is the root of all affairs. You justified in your mind that it was OK TO HAVE AN AFFAIR. Guess what - you are WRONG!! An affair is never justified.>>

I didn&#8217;t rub my children&#8217;s face in my A, nor did I have them take sides. They are unaware of what I did &#8211; putting an article in the paper would certainly get their attention and would humiliate them -- for me I&#8217;d rather this not happen. They love their father and I can never do anything to make that change. I agree, I am selfish (like to think that I WAS) in what I did. So now I want to make it better. You are correct Beau, an affair is NEVER justified.

So OK, let&#8217;s say you put your article in the paper. How or what should happen next to either fix the marriage &#8211; or maybe it would be best to dissolve it?

<<My comment about running an ad in the newspaper was intended to be a joke.>>

OH! Then never mind all that I just wrote.

<<Had you continued after exposure I would have kicked you out of the house and cut off all financial support. Do you believe those actions would clear away the fog and stop the affair? You bet!!>>

The affair has ended. What&#8217;s the purpose of this statement?

<<Best thing I ever did was expose the affair. We are now 17 months into a great recovery. We both talk about the affair in a matter of fact manner with friends and family if the subject comes up. We've both worked hard to understand the whys and hows, and believe me, it helps alot.>>

I&#8217;m happy for you. It was a bit disconcerting to read how angry you are. Your methods seem to have worked very nicely in your marriage &#8211; but it wouldn&#8217;t have worked very well in mine. But thank you for your insight and letting us know that you are in recovery.

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EVERY WS WOULD SAY NO AND NO EXPOSURE
If the WS considers limited exposure to end the affair is a big LB, then what about they hooking around from motel to motels and spme great WSs in their maritial bed itself ??? LOVE BUILDING ????

Until they are expsoed they act as if they are the mistress of the OM. They should have thought about all these before A and not after that.

Every BS should atleast tell their pastor.
Limited exposure is needed to end the affair.
Putting ads in the papers may be a joke but if the BS are pushed to that and the M has no more life , it wont be a bad idea. Atleast the WS most probably end up with no OM or BH . Life of lonliness wont be a bad idea for them

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FOLKS,

I think something is getting lost here. Publishing it in the paper is NOT what exposing the affair was meant to be. Although I suppose it could be done, what is often recommended at MB is sort along the lines of what B4 mentioned.

First the WS is confronted by the BS.

Then the BS utilizes Plan A, But recall the purpose of plan A is to offer a safe haven, but it is to end the A. It is here that disclosure is often recommended. But, what kind of disclosure? IF WS is sort of wavering, then perhaps NOT, IF WS is deeply in the A, then WS's spouse needs to be told (only common courtesy requires this), then family members that might be able to help the WS see the damage that is done. It is to enlist the HELP of the family or friends in ENDING the A.

Someone mentioned that often the WS will enlist friends and family against the BS making the BS the bad one. It is frequently seen here by the way, exposing the affair ends that nonsense immediately. IF people chose to side with WS they do it with full knowledge. Embaressment may be "part" of the reason, but actually the deeper reason is to solicit HELP for the BS and even the WS if they will listen to family and friends.

Further, all are forgetting that disclosing the A is often extremely embaressing to the BS. They have basically admitted that they have failed to keep their spouse happy and the spouse has sought someone else.

Please recall this is call MARRIAGEBUILDERS, NOT Punish the WS. The sole purpose of telling is to end the A. If the A has ended then the need to tell is gone at least within the context of this site. There may be other reasons to tell of the A, such as pregnancy, disease, etc.

Hope this helps,

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Just Learning,
Thanks for this statement:
"Please recall this is call MARRIAGEBUILDERS, NOT Punish the WS."

Most of the BS I that have posted have helped me...but I don't want to see one bad apple spoil the whole bunch so to speak.

Your comments make alot of sense, and are meant to help. That is the only reason I'm still here too....to offer hope because I have been through what other WS are going through and have been successful in rebuilding my marriage.

At the beginning of the thread, it was asked if WS would post what caused them to end the affair. Things got out of hand when one poster decided to get cute and bash all WS's. I hope that doesn't keep others away. We all WS and BS alike want to make our marriages better or we wouldn't stick around at a site that is so pro marriage.

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Please recall this is call MARRIAGEBUILDERS, NOT Punish the WS. The sole purpose of telling is to end the A. If the A has ended then the need to tell is gone at least within the context of this site. There may be other reasons to tell of the A, such as pregnancy, disease, etc.

Hope this helps,

JL </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Thanks for clarifying it so well, JL. I think it's important to emphasize, as you did, that the point is NOT punishment, but the end of the affair. It is not to be vindictive, but to help the marriage. If it doesn't serve that purpose, it shouldn't be done. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

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I obviously touched a very sensitive nerve when talking about exposure. You feel very threatened by any discussion of exposure and I can understand and sympathize with your feelings since you are a WS. Exposure, as others have repeatedly pointed out, is about ending the affair. Exposure is NOT about revenge EVER!

You posted that you continued an EA after the PA stopped. My response to you was to show how exposure would be used to stop your affair. Exposure becomes progressive until the affair ends. In the beginning exposing the affair to OM W is about telling her that her marriage is in trouble and to take the steps necessary to save the marriage.

Then if the affair continues other people would be told about the affair. Remember that I said that family, pastor, friends would be told and asked to contact WS and encourage them to end the affair. Then as a last resort if WS refused to end the affair that I would kick them out of the house and cut off all finances. Most people get the message much earlier and rarely is such dramatic action necessary. However, a few people are so in the “fog” that it takes a tremendous amount of pressure for them to begin to see how wrong, destructive and painful the affair is to their H and family. They are stuck in a selfish mode and the marriage cannot recover so long as they feel that way.

Quiet naturally most WS react negatively to exposure. It causes a lot of shame and embarrassment. But, sometimes it is necessary to stop the affair. The affair is the issue and as long as it continues, even and EA, reconciliation and recovery is not possible. Typically the anger expressed by WS dissipates quickly as they come to understand how wrong and hurtful their affair was and very quickly shift into a remorseful, supportive mode to save their marriage.

I don’t consider myself “a rotten apple.” I try to help people understand what they can do to save their marriage. If you will spend more time studying MB concepts and principles you will come to understand why exposure is sometimes necessary.

My initial comment about running an ad in the newspaper was intended for a particular person that posted to the question. She is someone that others and I have been trying to bring out of the “fog” for several months. My response was marginally serious but was intended as a reminder to her to be careful that she does not initiate contact with OM.

Things are frequently no the way they appear initially.


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"Exposure is NOT about revenge EVER!"

You and I agree on this one. So, that is why your attempt at humor was not very amusing.

Are you a BS...or the son of a WS?

Just wondering. I have not been able to tell from your posts. Diane

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I guess you could say that I am a betrayed son. My father was a serial cheater. I found out about age 10 and suffered through 5 - 6 affairs until my parents divorced when I was about 25. I've had several OW call me crying and telling about their love for my dad and how he promised to get a divorce. The affairs extracted a terrible price from my entire family. I've spent the last 40 years in healthcare helping sick people and have been involved in helping friends in the medical community deal with infidelity on both sides of an affair. People in the medical community are number two on the infidelity top ten professions list. I recently retired (not forever but to take a long break) and started posting on MB and other sites that deal with infidelity.
I know infidelity from both sides but tend to talk to WS more than BS. I guess I am still trying to fix my father through these people even though he has been dead for almost 20 years.

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Thanks Beau for giving me the back ground information. It sounds like you have a lot of information to offer concering infidelity.

But remember, it is not always easy to do exactly what the books say. People on this site are usually in emotional pain that is very fresh, and don't usually respond to things like: I would do this...and I would do that.

For me personally, I had to 'process' all the stuff I read here. My husband had to do the same with the information he learned. It takes time to come to a true understanding.

I'm not posting this to put you down or invalidate your help you have offered--I've read lots of your posts & believe you have offered sound advice most of the time--guess I'm just saying to be considerate of others on the site. We are here to heal. If we didn't want to, all of us WS would avoid this message board. Thanks for responding. Diane

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Beau – Sorry if I offend in any way with any of my posts. I too am trying to offer my opinion (as a former WS who is sorry for what they have done). At first I wasn’t sure if you were a man or a woman, but it appears you’re a man who’s a son of a wayward father and you’re trying to help those WS who are stuck in the fog. I too try to provide some insight and hopefully it won’t be taken too seriously by all posters. Sometimes I may also try to add a joke in there which hopefully won’t backfire.

I do believe that this is a marriage building site and not a anger release site. As you said, things frequently are not as they appear and may take several rounds of posts before your meaning becomes clear (or mine or anybody’s for that matter).

For me, it's a bit difficult to take a suggestion that is offered along with the statement that if I don't comply, you would kick me out and cut me off financially. That's like telling someone that they'd better love them otherwise this ax will come down on top of their head.

I also believe that MOST WS’s on a site like this are mostly out of the fog, otherwise they wouldn’t be posting here. The ones that aren’t going to end their affair probably won’t be interested in what’s written here so you may be aiming your comments and jokes at the wrong audience. Just my opinion of course and I hope it’s not taken wrong.

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You are wrong to say that only WS coming out of the fog post on MB. In fact just the opposite is true. The group of WS that I posted the newpaper hint to was talking about their on-going fantasy with OM. The fantasy is what keeps them from reconnecting with their H and family.

If you had read my post thoughly you would have seen that exposure is progressive. Rarely do BS have to restore to kicking their W out and cutting of financial support. But, occasionally that is the only way to shock them out of the "fog."

As a WS I fully understand your reluctance to accept that exposure is necessary. Exposure brings shame and embarresment. The problem is the AFFAIR not EXPOSING the affair. Betrayal is perhaps the most hurtful thing that one human can do to another. My job on MB is to help the BS end the affair. I really don't care how much it hurts WS because they have been so selfish and lied so much and hurt their H and family beyond comprehension that any shame and embarressment they feel is miniscule compared to the pain their H and family have experienced.

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© Penny R. Tupy

Infidelity is a thoughtless, selfish, and cruel act. It is perhaps one of the most painful things we can go through as adults. And yet it is an incredible tribute to the resiliency of the human spirit that many can and do recover their marriages, going on to create a relationship that is loving, joyous, and fulfilling. So then the question is: How do we get from here to there?

The first step must be to end the affair and to guarantee that there is no future contact with the affair partner. This step cannot be overstated, overlooked, or skipped. Without ending the affair and a promise of no future contact the marriage cannot fully recover. Attempting to restore the marriage without ending the affair is like attempting to do calculus without knowing how to add and subtract; it’s not possible.

Most affairs burn out and die. An affair is not a relationship based in reality or founded on lasting characteristics such as honesty, integrity, or commitment. They are usually based on passion and fantasy and exist in deceit and secret betrayal. Sometimes the guilt gets to be too much to bear and the affair ends. Sometimes reality and the disapproval of friends, family, and colleagues intrude into the fantasy and the affair ends.

Betrayed husbands and wives can do quite a bit to hasten that process. But to do so they must be able to follow my cardinal rules concerning infidelity:
First rule of what to know when your spouse is having an affair: Your emotions and your instincts will lead you the wrong way 99.9% of the time. Don’t trust them.
Second rule of what to do when your spouse is having an affair: Ignore almost all of what they say they want from you, how they feel about what you are doing to fix the marriage and any talk about it "being over, get over it."
You cannot base decisions about what to do on either of those things. Neither is objective and both are destined to fail. Instead we put together a two pronged strategy based on intellect that simultaneously addresses problems within the marriage and suggests actions to end the affair.
Addressing Preexisting Problems in the Marriage
Let’s start with addressing problems in the marriage. When a husband or wife comes to me with the information that their mate is involved with someone outside the marriage one of the things I do is to help them identify issues that might have led to their spouse’s emotional disconnect. We talk about things they may have done or are doing that are painful for their spouse. I especially dig for signs of anger, control, and disrespect since these things are so destructive in intimate relationships. They can cause one partner to put up emotional walls to protect themselves. Those walls also make it easy to create a relationship outside the marriage.
Next we talk about the things that would make the partner happy in marriage and which might have been neglected. Conversation, affection, recreational time as a couple, and sex, are among the top needs, but it could also be the financial picture or a health issue, or something else.
With that information we can put together a detailed strategy to make changes in the marriage. Now let me say loud and clear that conflicts or neglect in marriage are never an excuse for infidelity. Although there are many reasons why men and women have affairs, there are no excuses. It is an unethical way to escape problems in the marriage and to seek happiness for oneself at the expense of the spouse, the marriage, and the family. Ferreting out this information and making changes is in no way meant to cast blame on the faithful partner. It is simply a strategy to entice the straying partner to end the affair and to commit to recovering the marriage.
Most betrayed spouses do this part so well. I can’t think of any I’ve known or worked with who won’t bend over backwards to rectify their part in the deterioration of the marriage. They throw their heart and soul into making themselves and the marriage better.
Being Proactive about Ending the Affair
It’s the second part of the strategy for ending affairs that I have trouble convincing people to do. And that is taking action to end the affair. That’s where the emotions and the instincts get in the way. It’s where fear intrudes, and where the desire to do anything to make the unfaithful spouse happy at all costs creates an atmosphere that is enabling. Because most understand that affairs eventually burn out, they erroneously believe that they must sit back and wait for that to happen. Not so!! They can and should take proactive steps to expose and end the affair. The sooner it ends the better it will be for the marriage.
Confronting
How and when to confront a wayward spouse is a question that looms large in the minds of all betrayed partners. And then there is the whole question of how much do you disclose in your confrontation. Being somewhat confrontational by nature, and having strong beliefs about the necessity of rigorous honesty, I did a little research on what some of the big name experts have to say on the subject. Most did not have the need for honesty in the marriage at the forefront of their suggestions, and not all were advocates of saving the marriage.
Michele Weiner-Davis, author of Divorce Busting, The Divorce Remedy, and The Sex Starved Marriage, has a few things on the topic in her book The Divorce Remedy. (She also has some great comments about divorce attorneys, but that’s a topic for another day…) Davis addresses the issue within the context of internet infidelity, and there she recommends that you do these things if you suspect your mate is involved in an internet or real life affair:
· Be honest and straightforward, remain calm
· Don’t bother gathering an enormous amount of evidence before confronting your spouse about their behavior, if you are concerned, it warrants taking action
· Use I statements and avoid blame
· Be specific about what is troubling you and why
· Own your feelings
(From The Divorce Remedy by Michele Weiner-Davis © 2001 published by Fireside pp.221-222)
She goes on to discuss reactions that you may encounter, and how to address different scenarios. Davis’ goal is to do everything possible to save the marriage and to restore love and trust. This is very much in keeping with my views on confronting and on being a strong advocate for saving marriages.
Shirley Glass in her new and very highly acclaimed book, Not Just Friends, has this to say:
She starts of by stating that “confronting is not the same thing as attacking,” that confronting is a meeting for clarification and that attacking is a “hostile offensive that involves accusations, criticisms, and abuse.”
Glass’ guidelines for before you confront:
· Know what you want to gain and be open with your partner about that goal.
· Don’t set truth traps – discover the truth directly rather than through ensnarement. She gives the example “If your child leaves a trail of cookie crumbs you shouldn’t ask, ‘Did you have a cookie today?’ Start out by saying, ‘I saw the cookie crumbs, tell me the truth about how many cookies you ate before dinner.’”
· Give yourself time to cool down and become calm
· Consider writing your thoughts first in order to gain clarity
Glass’ guidelines for the confrontation:
· Choose a time and place where you are unhurried and free from distractions
· Do not confront on the telephone
· Stick to the facts as you know them: What you know. What you saw. What you’ve been told. The contradictions between what your partner has told you and what you’ve discovered.
· Say how these lies and discrepancies make you feel.
(From Not Just Friends by Shirley Glass, Ph.D. © 2003 published by Free Press pp. 77-79)
Putting all that together, here are my thoughts on confronting. I am so strong in my beliefs regarding the need to be honest in marriage that I believe only the fear of abuse should be reason to withhold information about how you feel, what you know, or in this case what you suspect. I think that honesty is so essential to the well-being of the marriage that fears of repercussions based on honest sharing are not grounds for withholding information -- with the exception stated above regarding the fear of abuse. So having said that, this is what I recommend.
As soon as you are uncomfortable with something your mate is doing, speak up! You don’t have to accuse your partner of anything, remember, honesty is about you. Say, “I’m uncomfortable (worried, afraid….) of the time you are spending at work or with such and such a person.” Speak up every time you feel uncomfortable or that information you have doesn’t match what you’re being told. Don’t let time (and an affair) drag on while you dig for hard evidence. It’s more important to do your best to stop a suspected affair by sharing what you know than it is to be able to prove you are right. You don’t even need to call it an affair, simply state that you are uncomfortable or offended by the relationship your spouse has with the other person. There’s no need to get caught up in arguing about what it’s called, the point is to express how you feel.
If your honest sharing of how you feel goes unaddressed, continue to dig for information and to share what you find and how you feel about it. Use the information elsewhere in this newsletter to address problems in the marriage and to work on enticing your partner to end the affair and to recommit to the marriage. Expose the affair as soon as you are reasonably certain your suspicions are correct.
Exposing
Affairs flourish in secrecy; if affair partners thought for a moment that their friends and family could see them or would find out, infidelity would be far less common! So one of the first things I suggest is that the faithful spouse tells. Tells who? Tells the spouse of the other party, tells their family members, tells their church leader, tells the boss if it is a workplace affair. Exposing an affair to the harsh light of day and to the scrutiny of friends and family will almost always hasten its demise. I encourage the faithful partner to contact the spouse of the lover. Not only is this a likely ally in working to end the affair, it is certain to cause repercussions for the betraying partners.
Exposing the affair creates conflict within the unfaithful relationship. The coupling that seemed to be so perfect, so wonderful, so special, suddenly takes on an air of sordidness. Dealing with the disapproval of friends and family can make the relationship seem less than the ideal fantasy it once appeared to be. Hurt feelings and arguments are likely to ensue within the affair relationship as each partner struggles with layers of conflict, guilt, embarrassment or even shame. Eventually the partners become less attractive to each other as the fantasy evaporates under the light of exposure.
In addition to telling, and perhaps more importantly, I encourage the faithful spouse to be honest with the mate about how s/he feels regarding the affair. It is essential that the straying partner hear loud and clear from their mate that the relationship they are having outside the marriage is painful in the extreme for their spouse. Honesty of this sort is difficult. I help men and women learn the skills to share their feelings honestly without being disrespectful or losing their temper in the process.
For men and women caught in the nightmare of a mate’s betrayal taking these steps to expose and to express how they feel can be, and almost always is, incredibly frightening. Husbands and wives doing all they can to persuade their erring partner to end the extra marital relationship and to commit to the marriage are terrified of doing anything that might upset the other person. It’s a natural fear, and one that must be overcome in order to do everything possible to end the affair. Remember, emotions and instincts will take you down the wrong path more often than not, when it comes to dealing with a spouse’s affair.
I tell husbands and wives to think of infidelity as an addiction, which indeed it is, and to keep that in mind when they are making choices about how to handle it. If their spouse was addicted to cocaine or heroin they would be willing to do whatever it takes to get them away from the source of the addiction and into recovery, regardless of how upset their addicted partner becomes. Ending an affair is much the same. The straying partner is addicted to the other person, and the only way to get to recovery is to end the relationship and ensure that contact never occurs in the future.
Yes, they will certainly become angry when necessary steps are taken to do just that. The waiting partner must look beyond the anger to see that it is triggered by the addiction and that the person they love and married is not able to think clearly or rationally. When the source of the addiction is removed and other steps for recovery are taken, eventually the fog will clear and the anger will dissipate over time.
Separating to Save the Marriage
Dealing with the infidelity of a spouse is emotionally draining and incredibly painful. The longer the affair continues the more wearing it is on the waiting spouse. Given enough time the betrayed partner will eventually lose all respect and all feelings of love for their mate. When that happens, the likelihood of reconciliation and of restoring the marriage is virtually nil.
To avoid getting to that place I recommend that the injured partner set a time limit for executing the above suggestions. If the affair has not ended and the spouse recommitted to the marriage in that time then I strongly encourage the faithful partner to separate from the marriage. I have a several reasons for doing so.
First is to safeguard whatever energy the faithful partner has for reconciling when the affair ends, and to maintain whatever feelings of love still remain. This is accomplished when there is no contact with the unfaithful spouse and the daily pain of witnessing the affair is no longer taking place.
Second, it sends a clear message to the wayward spouse that the affair is no longer going to be tolerated. Explicit in the way the separation is implemented is the message that the spouse wants the marriage to continue but only in a way that is beneficial for both of them. Separation under these terms returns a level of empowerment to the betrayed spouse who has probably been feeling very disempowered throughout this ordeal.
When the betrayed spouse sets this boundary affair couples are often thrown together even more than they were before. Although this may seem counter productive to ending the affair, with more time together it is likely the fantasy world of the affair will collapse and that reality will begin to set in. Issues that never came up in the past suddenly intrude. Things such as finances, child care, irritating habits, and even laundry can serve to destroy the illusion of the affair.
And finally the hope is that with the changes that the faithful partner has been making, eliminating hurtful behavior and learning skills to meet the partner’s needs, when the affair ends the spouse will be willing to consider returning to the marriage.
Separation is risky, and it is not to be undertaken lightly. But there comes a time when continuing to be available within the marriage and enduring the pain of the affair is counter productive. It becomes enabling. And it can become the final death knell of the marriage when the faithful partner experiences enough pain to completely destroy any willingness to reconcile after the affair.
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<<You are wrong to say that only WS coming out of the fog post on MB. In fact just the opposite is true. The group of WS that I posted the newpaper hint to was talking about their on-going fantasy with OM. The fantasy is what keeps them from reconnecting with their H and family.>>

Then you are making a generalization about all WS’s. In your quest to “help” those WS’s that want to continue their affair, you also directed your comments at those who don’t. Would it be ok for me to say “all BS’s are mean and brutal to their WS’s and thus giving them more reason to continue on with an affair” or all BS’s will seek revenge on their WS and thus should be labeled abusers.”

<<If you had read my post thoughly you would have seen that exposure is progressive. Rarely do BS have to restore to kicking their W out and cutting of financial support. But, occasionally that is the only way to shock them out of the "fog." >>

I did read that post thoroughly. You said that YOU would’ve kicked out the WS had she not done exactly as you demand. There’s no other way to understand what you wrote.

<<As a WS I fully understand your reluctance to accept that exposure is necessary. Exposure brings shame and embarresment. The problem is the AFFAIR not EXPOSING the affair. Betrayal is perhaps the most hurtful thing that one human can do to another. My job on MB is to help the BS end the affair. I really don't care how much it hurts WS because they have been so selfish and lied so much and hurt their H and family beyond comprehension that any shame and embarressment they feel is miniscule compared to the pain their H and family have experienced.>>

Apparently, you’re not a BS but a Son of a Wayward Father and I understand your anger at all WS’s. One thing that I have noticed though is that when you post on SI you don’t write such harsh words. I know that one of the moderators is a WS, one who strayed twice and had several emotional affairs as well. Have you posted this opinion there as well? I looked and didn’t see it. She may not take to this strategy to well, but I’d be interested to see you post this opinion there.

I’m so glad you have a job of helping the BS/WS end their affairs. It’s obvious you don’t care how much hurt you cause. I can see that this board is no better than the other boards that claim to want to help the marriage.

I may need counseling, but so do many like you.

I wish you luck SonofWF, I’ll still read your posts and point out to my husband just how unhelpful they really are. It just feels good to you to write them I do understand that part. You’re just as human and imperfect as the rest of us. Sorry if that’s harsh, but it’s true. I’m sorry if that opinion doesn’t sit well with you.

And again, you seem to have a totally different way of writing on MB than you do on SI.

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i seen wife with om today and when i want to talk to her the om man wanted to fight. wife told him no.this guy works with her sould i let the company know. iknow it will be a big lb. but as long as she is there see will be with om. i know if i tell her job she will get fired sould i do that.

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EEMD Have you read anything that people have been posting to you....
about your children...

any feed back...
all your posts are focused on just your wife and the OM....

what have you done for the children and to bring stability to them...
please stick with me on that thought....


ofcourse exposing your wifes affair at work will be PERCEIVED as lovebusting....but that is not what is the rational behind exposure...

please please please can we talk about your children...and figure out a way for you to be a stable influence in their chaotic world....

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she is doing very well with the kids and iam seeing them more now. but she is still with om. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">ofcourse exposing your wifes affair at work will be PERCEIVED as lovebusting....but that is not what is the rational behind exposure...
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">that would not be rational to let the work place know.

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Sorry eemd...I meant rationale...not rational... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Exposing to the light of day to assist in the demise of an affair...will always be PERCEIVED as a lovebuster...which is understandable...
and overexposure may be just that...

what you need to now is to get yourself in to a real strong A pattern..
I have a feeling you have given fuel to lots of your wife's fire to continue to blame and attack you for her own bad choices...

the most important thing you must do right now..to show change..since it appears to be the one you have done the most and will problably be very hard for you....

drop all talk, reference, and mention of the OM...
(except in setting boundaries about the children's exposure to him....

no going to place of work...
no relationship talk...
start all over....
start with being as polite to your wife right now as you would be to an aquaintance....

you need to really pull back to show you can and are changing...

become extremely stable in the lives of the children...
set boundaries on your rights to see them...
keep all visitation dates...
document and record any and all attempts at her blocking them..
do not power struggle with her over things like not letting you attend childs birthday party...make plans to do something special with your side of the family and you for his/her birthday...and make it so...

speak softly and calmly to wife...

read up on plan A,,,again and again...

eemd...I am sorry you are in so much pain...but if you take all this energy and wheel spinning you are feeling about your wife and the OM...and turn it back onto you and the children...I really believe you will begin to feel better,
to feel more in control of your life,
to feel more stronger about what you believe in...

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when iam nice she still mad. just keep being is that right. she makes it seems like all this is my fauult. yes i want my wife to stop seeing om and i would like to be with my family. but she is always mad. and chasing om. my kids are doing good. but as long as wife works with this guy will the affair end. om is buying wife gifts and tell her he is going to buy her a car. my 15d told me this. thanks ark.

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when iam nice she still mad. just keep being is that right.
Yes, that is correct.

i would like to be with my family.
You need to get the children to live with you.

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