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#1107371 01/15/04 12:43 PM
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In Sept. I found out that my H was having an A.
He was shocked I did not make him leave.
Truth is so was I. Things have not been great between us. He says it has been for years. We are married for 14. And have three children 11,6 and 4. A lot has happened between us but we have always managed to work things out. He has been all over with who is at fault etc.. I know that it was both or us. To be honest until it came to this I thought I wanted out. I was tired of him doing his thing and me having all the responsibility in life. We sort of did our own thing. His drinking has always been a problem and I know it is what helped him into this A. He is involved with someone at work. SOmeone that I have known from the started wanted him. You could tell she would do anything for him.So at a time when we where at our lowest, He thought I didn't love him,had no respect for him. She showered him with it all and he fell for her.
At first I was told it was only going on for a few months.I now know it has been two years. He said he ended it with her but I have found out that he has been with her again.
Again he broke things off. just before the Holidays I confronted him with some on going communication between the two of them. He told me he planned on talking to me after the holidays. He loves me and always will but he is in love with her. He told me I have lost him to her. My SIL had a talk with him about how he hated his mother for doing this to their family. He doesn't seem to remember things being so bad. he felt it was the back and forth that was bad for the kids but seems to think if he just lives around the corner and we stay in the house things will be fine. He will still see them everyday etc.. I told him this is all a part of his fantasy. He will not see the kids everyday. He will get them on scheduled dates etc.. He wants to know why it has to be that way. Anyway we went through the Holidays and everything seems great. He took time off of work and we spent a lot of time together as a family. Now he is back at work and the distance is there again. Of course so is she(at work). Before the holidays he made it sound as if it was over between us. He would not go to counseling etc. Now he says nothing nor do I. I seem to be just taking it day by day hoping he has realized he should be with us not her. The problem is I have no idea and am afraid to discuss it. We are going away on SUnday for 4 days and nothing with that has changed. Also he talks about my 4oth which is April and what he will do party wise. I want to scream " do you plan on being around in April?". Is this part of the Fog or am I in a state of denial. Do I hang in there and hope for the best or confront him and let him go? I have thought of contacted the ow but realize that at 28 yrs old she cares about nothing but the two of them. Not me or my children. We seem to be living our lives as if nothing has happened, yet there is some distance, we are still sexually active, even if he does fake orgasm some times. He does not reject me. I am so confused and don't know what do to. Can someone please offer some advise. Do I hang in there or let go? <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />

#1107372 01/16/04 01:42 AM
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First, read all you can on here about PLAN A.

No, don't give up. The affair has a slim chance of making it. On the other hand, your marriage can survive. My husband was in a two year affair too under your same conditions. He felt he was in love with the other woman. We have now reconciled. However, this will take a lot of hard work on your part.

Follow the MB PRINCIPLES as closely as possible. Read the Basic Concepts on this site and if at all possible go buy the book SURVIVING AN AFFAIR.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Do I hang in there and hope for the best or confront him and let him go? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">No, you do Plan A. See the links in the quote below for details: </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> You can recover. Many people have. It isn't easy, and not everyone succeeds, but as long as you are both working on it, your chances are close to 100%. If your spouse is NOT willing to work on your marriage, is denying involvement in an affair despite the evidence, and/or is continuing an affair, read What Are Plan A and Plan B? after reading the "Basic Concepts" links below. In that case, you need to start Plan A with the help of a marriage counselor (see item #2, below). There are a couple terrific posts about Plan A that are worth reading at: Plan A, Doormats and Love Busters by Zorweb and Cerri on Plan A, which will help you avoid some of the common pitfalls. Your situation is harder, but your chances of saving your marriage and actually making it better than before are still good. But, whether your spouse is "on board" or not, you should do three things:

1.) Learn. The most important and helpful single source of information for my wife and I was “Surviving an Affair” by Willard Harley (hereinafter referred to as “SAA”) available at the Bookstore, Amazon.com, and bookstores all over. SAA is THE best book on the market for helping one get to the root of “the message of the affair” (BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE QUESTIONAIRES!). It (along with the Basic Concepts section of this site) is also helpful for giving you a vision of what a great marriage should look like. The approach of SAA to this problem is that the best defense against affairs is to have a great marriage. My wife said we had a good marriage, but she still had an affair. She was kidding herself, but it was not until we read SAA and saw what a great marriage should look like that we could clearly identify the problem areas and had the tools necessary to fix them. So that you can get started right away, while waiting for SAA to arrive in the mail, read everything in the Basic Concepts section of this site. Next, read all the Q&A's on infidelity on this site. They are found at How to Survive Infidelity

The phrase “the message of the affair” is from the book “Torn Asunder”, by Carder (hereinafter referred to as “TA”). I personally think this is the best book on affair recovery we have read. In particular it deals with the two different paths the recovery of the betrayed spouse (BS) and the wayward spouse (WS) need to take, and deals w/ remorse in a way that I prefer to SAA. Read it together, if your spouse is willing. If not, go through it yourself. If you or your spouse has issues with control, you might also want to read “The State of Affairs”, (SOA) by Todd Mulliken, which also treats the remorse issue similarly to TA. SOA also deals with "the vision thing" for marriage, which is neglected in SAA.

2.) See a marriage counselor. This is hard. You need help. These boards are populated by amateurs. MC’s are professionals. There is a difference. They can help deal with issues the books don’t cover, and customize things to your individual situation. That said, there are lots of bad MC’s in the world. Read, and take to heart, How To Find A Good Marriage Counselor. You do not want an MC that is going to teach you how to live with an awful spouse, or how to adjust to divorce. Too many of them do, as is documented here: Hazardous Counseling. Reading that link may scare you off counseling, but it should give you some good ideas to ask a potential MC before you start w/ them, so you can avoid those that give you the wrong answers. You need one that is committed to helping couples have great marriages, and knows how to do that.

You are on an emotional rollercoaster right now, and there will be times that you will think it would be best to just divorce your spouse and go on with your life. Though there are no guarantees, recovery IS possible, but it takes time and effort. You will hate yourself if you don't do everything you can to make that happen. Give yourself the time you need.

3.) I understand that you may not be a person of faith, but for me, getting my spiritual life in order was crucial. As I said, this is hard. I knew I would need all the help I could get. Repenting of the habitual sins in my life let me stop pushing God away so I could hold on for dear life. I had to humble myself and ask Him what I had done wrong, and what I could do to be the husband He wanted me to be for his child, my wife. This was not about blaming myself. It was about doing what I could to do my part in having a great marriage. My wife could participate or not, but I had to know I had done everything I could do. It also helped me to let go of thinking about what SHE needed to do, since I couldn't control her, anyway.

You might also want to read through: WAT's Quick Start Guidelines for Betrayed Spouses, but keep in mind that these are the writings of amateurs. Get the books, read the articles, and see a GOOD counselor - you need the best help you can get.

Of course, that is just my opinions and what worked for me, who experienced it once, first hand. Harley, who has helped HUNDREDS of couples through this process, lays out his program in the following link: How to Survive Infidelity You will find that I mostly followed his plan. It works. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Beyond that - yes call the OW. But, follow the suggestion below when you do. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> A word about confronting the OP, when a WS is unwilling to end an affair on their own, because this question comes up a lot, and many people advise that you avoid confronting the OP, because discussions between BS’s and OP’s tend to be unhelpful and painful for the BS. I do not suggest having much of a discussion. I DO suggest confronting the OP, and also informing the OP’s spouse or girlfriend or boyfriend of what you know, if they have one. If the OP’s spouse/friend is likely to be violent, you may want to hold off on that exposure, but that is the only exception I know of, other than a message from God.

The confrontation of the OP is fairly important, and should be worded carefully. Given the emotional state you are probably in right after you learn of an affair, that usually means doing it by letter or email, or maybe a phone call. I do not recommend direct confrontations because of the strong temptation you may have to become physically violent.

Whatever method you use to communicate, say something like: “I love [spouse], and am trying to fix what is wrong with our marriage. I believe your relationship with [spouse] is interfering with our efforts to fix our marriage, and I would appreciate it if you would cease all contact with [spouse].” If you are CERTAIN it is a physical affair, you can use the word “affair”, instead of “relationship”. If you have children, you may also say that the OP is contributing to the destruction of a family.

They may laugh at you, but it is important to send that message, respectfully, for several reasons:

1. Because the OP may not know the WS is married. If that is the case, confronting the OP sometimes leads immediately to the end of the affair.
2. Because WS’s usually (almost always?) depict their spouse in a negative way to the OP. They say things like: “My wife doesn’t understand me” or “My husband won’t talk to me”, “My spouse is unconcerned about me and/or our marriage” or “We have an open relationship”, or something worse – you are crazy, controlling, cruel, etc. So, you need to confront the OP in a way that shows you at your best – not crazy, not unconcerned, not controlling, not angry, but rather calm, kind, purposeful, determined and concerned for your spouse and your relationship with them. When you do that, it introduces conflict into their relationship, because there is a conflict between what the OP experiences, and what they have been told.
3. Many WS’s and OP’s minimize the seriousness of their affairs with rationalizations like: “It’s only physical”, or, in the case of an Emotional Affair, “It’s just a close friendship” and “It’s not physical.” The language I have suggested avoids giving them a point to argue, and simply says it is hurting you.
4. In most cases, affairs grow in secret, and they die when exposed.


Remember that affairs are addictions. What happens when you try to take away an addict's fix? Frequently, they get angry. It is fairly common for a WS to get EXTREMELY angry when you expose their affair and confront the OP, and accuse you of trying to destroy them and your marriage and of being a horrible human being, so be prepared for an angry response. It is not a lovebuster, it is fighting for your marriage. You are doing nothing horrible. They are. You are fighting to save your marriage. They are destroying it. You are telling the truth. They are being deceitful. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">

#1107374 01/16/04 06:25 PM
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Thank you both for responding. Before I found this site I read "Surviving Infidelity" I was very helpful to me. I realized while I didn't make him break the code. I did contribute to it, even if I thought I was protecting myself. I have already tried to get him to give her up. He has 2x. The problem is he says he is in love with her while he loves me.(I assume as the mother of his children and wife of 14 years)I know they are in contact because they work together and I can see the difference in him starting on sunday. He becomes distant. As I said before the Holidays he made it sound as he was gone for sure. Now there is no conversation about things at all. And I admit I am afraid to bring things up. It seems as if I am happy just to have him here. Deep down I know that is not so. We are going away on sunday to vegas and I guess I have the hopes that this will benefit us. And possibly piss her off. Also I want to make it to a work party on the 24th. I want her to see us together. I want her to feel bad about being the OW and not in the open. I have been seeing a counselor for weeks now and it does help. Problem is he won't go. How do a move on with plan A ? He seems to be testing me lately. I have made a lot of changes. Trying to meet his emotional needs. Some days he is responsive and others he is not. This truely is a emotional rollercoaster, a ride in which I have never liked. He is very short with me at times almost as if he is trying to get me to fight. I refuse. We have not had any screaming or fighting about this at all. I have been very understanding, calm and level headed. Minus all the tears. He seems to be in shock at the turn around and when I say testing I mean trying to see if I will forever throw this in his face. He has commented on "waiting for the other shoe to drop". I have read that the a should die on it's own now that it has been exposed. Is this true? He is the type of man that if I push he will walk. Then he has no excuse. I made him go. The children then blame me for not trying or for kicking him out. I won't let that happen. If he goes it will be by his own hand. So much for plan B. How do I move things forward for plan A or do I just let it work on its own. Or after this weeks vacation? Help


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