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I haven't seen MM around here lately....anyone talk to him regularly that might be able to tell him I'm looking for him? Have a question I could use his expertise on.

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star..

he popped in last weekend... and promised to post...

and we are still waiting...

and waiting
and waiting..
and waiting...

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ark...

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star*bump Come out come out wherever you are. Earth calling Mortarman!

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*bump* since I see MM lurking.

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Yep...he's here.

Mortarman, mortarman, Star needs you!

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Yes Star?? Sorry I have been lurking. I promised to update all of you...but I am still trying to find the time. Hopefully a little later today.

Anyway, what's up Star?

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MM,

Don't know what your policy on emails is...and I know you might be too busy for this...but I'd like you to write me, if that is okay with your spouse, about getting you to use your experience with Plan B for a new venture.

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Email sent to you Starfish.

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THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cause I was worried that Star was stalking you!!!!

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You never know, Ark! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />

My update will be coming soon. I am actually working on it right now. Hopefully, if my phone will stay quiet, it will be up in the next hour.

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Mortarman I have a question for you. I have followed your story and am in awe of you following what you believed God wanted for you and your marriage. I am also trying to do that. My question for you is I know you are military. When a guy and girl are working together and one has been in longer than the other is it usual for them to use the word mentor to describe their relationship? Thanks

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T2B,

The word "mentor" is used a lot in the military. It doesn't apply necessarily to a woman/man relationship.

It is most often used in the officer world, but is also used with enlisted soldiers. All it means is the person that is either actively put over you (your leader) and is responsible for helping you succeed and move forward in your career. Or more often than not, it is the person or persons that you refer to as your "mentor" that had the greatest influence on your career.

So, it really describes a sexless relationship.

Why do you ask?

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Thanks, my spouse is military was stationed overseas. Developed friendship with opposite sex. They knew each other a short time within a month when hubby would talk about her I felt like I was hit in the stomach something felt off. He spent a lot of time with her first months over there. Even bought her a Christmas present she bought him one in the first month of knowing each other. He never did that before. He spent time at her place they went out to dinner, he bought her dinner, said it was what people in the military do for each other. Don't have a problem same sex but I do opposite sex. He came home for visit promised not to go to her place ever again. Within four days of being back he went over with a couple other people. Asked him to stop spending so much time with her he said he would back off but he felt bad didn't want to hurt her. At this point I backed off totally felt God was leading me to "be quiet do nothing" I did. He came back at Christmas bought me a vest found out she also had one same color he said he didn't know. He says that nothing ever happened he was her mentor like he was to several other people. Spoke with someone who is now stationed here that was stationed with them. She says she never saw anything other than friendship. However their names were ma and pa as they would always go off together while the rest would go party. He denies this didn't know of the nickname. This girl also knew the two of them were tight before she arrived to their duty station. THis was within the first month of them being there also. I also saw a pic that he was in with her and a group. They were wearing the same colored shirt, why does this matter because when he would come home he would want to wear the same color shirt. He swears there was never anything there. My head yells there was my heart screams there wasn't. So much more to this story but dont' feel comfortable on open forum especially if he stops by. His military career is very important to him and I want to respect that. He says he made some mistakes should have made different decisions. That he loves me. But he did not do anything other than be a mentor to her. I emailed her and asked her and she said the same exact things he had been telling me that he was a mentor and friend nothing else using same words. This is after he says he hasn't had contact with her for almost eight months. I had also previous to receiving this email from her told him I needed a sense of peace about this. In her email she told me to rest assured nothing ever happened. More circumstantial. He did admit to a kiss but says she kissed him but he doesn't remember when or the details and that it would have only been a peck on the cheek as they were leaving something because anything else and he would have felt like he was cheating on me. I respect your opinion and I'm trying to be the wife God calls me to be. I just have this gut feeling I'm not getting it all. I've been told to have faith in God and I am. How can we make this work if I dont' have the whole truth? What happens if he is telling me the whole truth and all the circumstantial is just that? That makes me an incredibly bad wife.

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T2B,

What service is he in? What rank is he? She?

First off, you asked a couple of questions.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I just have this gut feeling I'm not getting it all.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">And gut feeling is enough. Whether it is true or not, perception is reality. And the reality for you is tearing you apart. And that means it is tearing this marriage apart. More below.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I've been told to have faith in God and I am.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">And that is VERY good. And as a Christian wife, you probably know what you are called to do as a wife. But, what you are not called to do is to live in fear and anxiety. Your husband is called to die for you, as Christ died for us. He is called to love you, as Christ loves us. Wives are not called to do these things...just husbands. Do you think for a minute that Christ would just say "Hey, I'm doing nothing wrong. So, you are wrong about the situation. Get over it."?? That's what your husband is saying.

Do a search in 1st Corinthians. Three times, it states "all things are lawful for me, but..." In a sentence, when the word "but" is used it means that everything that preceded it means nothing now. For a Christian, all things are lawful We can drink alcohol. We can do just about anything. BUTTTTTTT.....if what we are doing will cause another to fall, then we must not do it! So, if a Christian brother of mine has a problem with Chritians drinking alcohol, then I am to not drink around him. I am not to cause him to stumble.

Your husband is causing you to stumble. He is not protecting you, not loving you. Did you know that the ultimate responsibility for a marriage, in God's eyes, belongs to the husband...not the wife. Why?

Well, that is a whole message in itself, going back to the Garden. But to suffice it to say that God created Adam and all men as the spiritual leaders of their family. They are MADE to do so. Just like women have the "equipment" to be pregnant and men dont, women do not have the "equipment" to spiritually lead their families. That is why men are called to love and to lead, as Christ does so with us. And that is why women are called to respect and to submit to the spiritual authority of their husband. Notice I didnt say to all men...just their husband.

But, how is T2B going to submit and respect her husband when he continually ignores your pleas for help, for finding a way to find peace in your marriage? You are doing a great job so far, and I have no doubt that it is the Holy Spirit within you that is helping you. But your husband is failing miserably as the spiritual leader of your family. And he is failing miserably in the loving and dying for you.

Look, if my wife asked me to never talk to a particular woman again because it made her uneasy...well, then I would never talk to her again. even if my wife was just being irrational, or had no justification. Why? Because my relationship with her, and her relationship with God is more important to me than any other relationship in this world...to include the rest of my family. To include the relationship with my children. Now, before I would do so, I would try to lead my wife and get her to see the truth. But in the end, perception is reality. As Steve Harley said to me once..."Do you want to be right, or do you want to be married?"

Your husband had better wake up. Whether or not he has had an affair, at this point, is irrelevent. He has put another relationship, with another woman, over your relationship. Look to my update later today. And look to the section I am struggling with...concerning my retirement. I have given up everything I have been for the last 20 years, because of a promise I made to my wife. And even if that means my men go to battle with a lesser leader, a promise to my wife I will keep.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">How can we make this work if I dont' have the whole truth?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You cant! It is time for a confrontation, I expect. If he is a Chritian, then go to him. Tell him what I have told you here. Ask for him to go to counseling with you, to see the pastor. If he wont, then take him before your church (not the whole church...but bring the issue before the pastor and deacons). It is time, if he wont be a REAL man, to create a crisis for him. If he wont listen to you, then maybe he will listen to the church.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">What happens if he is telling me the whole truth and all the circumstantial is just that? That makes me an incredibly bad wife. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">No it doesnt!! I just told you above...he is an incredibly bad husband for allowing you to be in this position. He has to die for you...spiritually, emotionally, even physically. It is the ONLY way this will work the way it is supposed to. And he isnt doing it. If he hasnt done anything sexually or emotionally, like I said above, at the very least, he has put a friendship above his marriage. And that is just as wrong as an affair.

I'm afraid that you are going to have to confront him. Tell him. It is HIS job to rid you of your fears. He either comes clean, or he finds a way to prove to you that nothing has happened. But most of all, whether an affair has happened or not, he must put you first above all things (except Christ). Until he does that, he isnt much of a man. And he is going to destroy your marriage.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cause I was worried that Star was stalking you!!!!

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">doo doo DOO doo doo doo DOO doo

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Thank you. You have given me much to think about. They are both in the Navy and Officers.

Thank you for the vote of confidence but I don't feel like I've done a great job so far. One of his En's that I've discovered through this was recreational and I didn't provide that because I was concentrating to hard on being a mom and not a wife. Not until I got thwapped upside my head did I realize I was not being the total wife God called me to be and I have had a lot of learning to do the past three years.

I'm going to keep reading what you wrote and digest it. Thank you sooo much.

Can I ask you if you were in my hubby's shoes and did nothing more than what he is saying, would I be destroying his love for me by pushing for what I believe is more? He says I don't understand how it is in the military.

I'm going to go read your post. It sounds like you may be retiring from the military for your wife. I hope she understands what this means and knows how very lucky she is that you love her enough to do this for her. Our country was very lucky to have you helping to protect us. Thank you.


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