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#1121546 03/26/04 04:50 PM
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Last I posted I was told by my H that he was in love with OW, but he didn't want to lose his family. He said he would do whatever it takes to keep his family, included not talking to her anymore. He has shown some remorse and even has shown some affection toward me. He says he didn't mean to hurt me, but he does not say he loves me and I don't think he does right now. Is there any hope of restoring his love in me? I do love him and want this to work. I just don't know what I should do right now. Should I show him how much I love him through all my actions or back off and let him get his mind set. I don't want to do anything to push him to her. I've read the other posts about mood swings and I understand he is hurting too. How do I deal with it? I can't eat or sleep very well and have lost 12lbs in a week. Any suggestions or advice would be appreciated.

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i am sorry for what you are going through and i might not have much to offer but your situation sounds very hopeful to me. many of the people here long to hear their WS say they want to work on the M. my suggestion to you is read all the concepts and articles you can on this website along w/the posts on the forum. you need to read his needs/her needs as well as surviving an affair both by dr. harley. lots of information to be found.

that's all i've been doing since i found out my h is having an A, is reading and learning. if my work knew how much time i spent doing that they would probably fire me <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> but at this point fighting for my M is the most important thing in my life. prayers to you.

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Hurtnp,

Sorry you are on the infedeliity diet. RR gave you some good advice. Your H has to recovery on his own. Right now there isn't much You can do but you can recommend he work with a good MC and even do some phone counseling with Steve Harley.

Howz about you both take the EN questionnaire? You can read the books Surviving an Affair and His Needs/Her Needs but don't force him to do anything.

The A was strong and it will take a while to recover. Take a look at dad2 3 boys thread, he is a WS whose W also posts here at MB. It is hard to read this thread but even in a short period of a couple of days, he is starting to sound a bit more on the sane side.

Know that your H can slip. Mine did for 2 years AFTER he came home. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> Those were hard times and now he is making it up to us. It has been 6 months since the last contact. Last contact was in front of a judge and I was in the courtroom. OW tried to file false RO charges against H and the judge granted it. That in itself is not too bad since the judge could see the OW was lying. He allowed the RO because he could see that it was bad for both of them to have contact. The judge did it more as a protection for both. Sure did break any feelings the WS had for the OW. He really started to see the nut that we all saw.

Your H will get to that point also but it will take time.

Keep reading and posting. Pray for a clear mind and a calm heart. Pray for patience also. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

hugz,
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<small>[ March 27, 2004, 03:50 AM: Message edited by: Orchid ]</small>

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You have really come to the right place. Harley's methods are particularly good at restoring feelings of love for each other.

You can recover. Many people have. It isn't easy, and not everyone succeeds, but as long as you are both working on it, your chances are close to 100%. If your spouse is NOT willing to work on your marriage, is denying involvement in an affair despite the evidence, and/or is continuing an affair, read What Are Plan A and Plan B? after reading the "Basic Concepts" links below. In that case, you need to start Plan A with the help of a marriage counselor (see item #2, below). There are a couple terrific posts about Plan A that are worth reading at: Plan A, Doormats and Love Busters by Zorweb and Cerri on Plan A, which will help you avoid some of the common pitfalls. Your situation is harder, but your chances of saving your marriage and actually making it better than before are still good. But, whether your spouse is "on board" or not, you should do three things:

1.) Learn. The most important and helpful single source of information for my wife and I was “Surviving an Affair” by Willard Harley (hereinafter referred to as “SAA”) available at the Bookstore, Amazon.com, and bookstores all over. SAA is THE best book on the market for helping one get to the root of “the message of the affair” (BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE QUESTIONAIRES!). It (along with the Basic Concepts section of this site) is also helpful for giving you a vision of what a great marriage should look like. The approach of SAA to this problem is that the best defense against affairs is to have a great marriage. My wife said we had a good marriage, but she still had an affair. She was kidding herself, but it was not until we read SAA and saw what a great marriage should look like that we could clearly identify the problem areas and had the tools necessary to fix them. So that you can get started right away, while waiting for SAA to arrive in the mail, read everything in the Basic Concepts section of this site. Next, read all the Q&A's on infidelity on this site. They are found at How to Survive Infidelity

The phrase “the message of the affair” is from the book “Torn Asunder”, by Carder (hereinafter referred to as “TA”). I personally think this is the best book on affair recovery we have read. In particular it deals with the two different paths the recovery of the betrayed spouse (BS) and the wayward spouse (WS) need to take, and deals w/ remorse in a way that I prefer to SAA. Read it together, if your spouse is willing. If not, go through it yourself. If you or your spouse has issues with control, you might also want to read “The State of Affairs”, (SOA) by Todd Mulliken, which also treats the remorse issue similarly to TA. SOA also deals with "the vision thing" for marriage, which is neglected in SAA.

2.) See a marriage counselor. This is hard. You need help. These boards are populated by amateurs. MC’s are professionals. There is a difference. They can help deal with issues the books don’t cover, and customize things to your individual situation. That said, there are lots of bad MC’s in the world. Read, and take to heart, How To Find A Good Marriage Counselor. You do not want an MC that is going to teach you how to live with an awful spouse, or how to adjust to divorce. Too many of them do, as is documented here: Hazardous Counseling. Reading that link may scare you off counseling, but it should give you some good ideas to ask a potential MC before you start w/ them, so you can avoid those that give you the wrong answers. You need one that is committed to helping couples have great marriages, and knows how to do that.

You are on an emotional rollercoaster right now, and there will be times that you will think it would be best to just divorce your spouse and go on with your life. Though there are no guarantees, recovery IS possible, but it takes time and effort. You will hate yourself if you don't do everything you can to make that happen. Give yourself the time you need.

3.) I understand that you may not be a person of faith, but for me, getting my spiritual life in order was crucial. As I said, this is hard. I knew I would need all the help I could get. Repenting of the habitual sins in my life let me stop pushing God away so I could hold on for dear life. I had to humble myself and ask Him what I had done wrong, and what I could do to be the husband He wanted me to be for his child, my wife. This was not about blaming myself. It was about doing what I could to do my part in having a great marriage. My wife could participate or not, but I had to know I had done everything I could do. It also helped me to let go of thinking about what SHE needed to do, since I couldn't control her, anyway.

You might also want to read through: WAT's Quick Start Guidelines for Betrayed Spouses, but keep in mind that these are the writings of amateurs. Get the books, read the articles, and see a GOOD counselor - you need the best help you can get.

Of course, that is just my opinions and what worked for me, who experienced it once, first hand. Harley, who has helped HUNDREDS of couples through this process, lays out his program in the following link: How to Survive Infidelity You will find that I mostly followed his plan. It works.

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Thanks for all of your insights. It has been a bumpy week and a half, but things seem to be going well. My H never has left and still says he wants to work things out. Many family members think he just wants to wait until OW's divorce is final and our finances get worked out. I don't know what to think. Is it possible to have an EA for about 7 months without anything physical? I'm having a hard time believing this. I just keep pulling my hair out trying to figure it all out. When will I get my sanity back? I feel like I'm just rambling, but I need some answers to questions only my H knows I guess. Thanks to everyone...


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