Grrrrrrroooooooooooossssssssssssss! Yall are disGUSting. :-S

My new sig line (for the moment, that is) comes from

"Make It Today" - Peter Sinfield

"Count the sand within the glass
You watch the grains of time slip past
A million written words don't help your peace.
You're not the first
You're not the last
You're just an actor in the cast
From one to maybe half a hundred years.

What do you hear
When the words are not clear?
Blow your own way
And you'll hear what I say
Make it today

Superficial games you play
To seek sensations everyway
And in the maze you're running round and round.
If you look with open eyes
You'll see the truth
You'll know the lies
So climb the skies to where the rainbow's found.

What do you hear
When the words are not clear?
Blow your own way
And you'll hear what I say
Make it today

Free yourself and you will find
There's peace of heart and peace of mind
Both on the narrow stony road you run.
You will see that black is white
And nothing's wrong that is not right
And love is everything beneath the sun. "

2long - That's a nice one.

What do rocket scientists do for fun??????????

My boss is a mechanical engineer. When he and his wife go to Las Vegas, he goes to some hotel where the elevator runs diagonally, and tries to figure it out.

What does THIS rocket scientist do for fun?

*I watched the aftermath of Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 smashing in2 Jupiter, through an 8" telescope I made myself.

*I've climbed Mt. Columbia in the Colorado Rockies at 2am with a full moon, 2 be at the summit in time 2 watch the sun rise.

*I walked a mile and a half 2 work on Thursday, instead of having 2 find a place 2 park my van.

*I helped my son build an RC airplane 3 years ago, and 2k him 2 learn how 2 fly it.

*I made my D a dollhouse when she was little. Just started it so she could play with it and finish it out as she grew up. (but it was destroyed in the fire in the attic of our house).

*I remember doing things with my W, when we were happy being 2gether and doing things for one another without expecting much in re2rn. But that was a VERY long time ago.

Yeah, I post song lyrics like that for all kinds of reasons. Mostly, it's 2 remind myself that REAL life is not necessarily reminiscent of what I'm going through now.

-ol' 2long

Sounds interesting. I just think that we BS's have to realize that our WS is not the whole world. Plan B has really helped me in that I don't think too much about him anymore.

He is still making noises like he would like to come back, but really still sitting on the fence. But now I am strong and my life is good without him.

Yeah, there are a lot of interesting things 2 do in life. You're also right that the WS isn't all there is, and waiting for them 2 do the "right thing" or anything at all, isn't what this is all about.

Some of us take longer than others.

I'm going 2 appear a bit selfish for a while now.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" /> 2long

Good for you. Your needs have probably not been met for 2long. But you can meet your own needs. That is what I did.

I have done tons of things since WH left - fishing, trips to go dancing in Mexico, out sailing, to Palm Springs, stayed up all night, slept all day, out with friends to parties, all kinds of things.

My marriage was such a drag for so long that I feel like I am on one big vacation.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 2long:
<strong> Pep:

Oh great! It 2k a post about puss 2 get you over here? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

-ol' 2long </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">2L,

Pep & Ark^^ are real troopers and dedicated MB veterans. They will do 'whatever it takes' to put a smile on some MBers (like yourself). Of course, it baffles me a bit at where their sense of humor goes at times. LOL!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> Just kdding.

Building your own telescope...... that's amazing. We are just getting into star gazing. H wants to go to Glacier Point in Yosemite but he knows it is a trigger point for me. Guess we are going to have to work it out somehow. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Here's my take. Your giver is tired and has been overloaded in the M recovery mode. Your taker needs to step up to the plate but not get carried away. That point of balance is critical in your personal recovery but it still needs to be kept in balance.

My hunch is once your W sees that lifestyle change, she will begin to evaluate her losses. It may take a while and manipulation may come in many forms to pull you back into her comfort and emotional torture zone that she has become accustomed to. You though have never been comfortable living with the A hovering over your life and desparately need a positive change. Therein lies the need to change.

Just make sure you change with caution. Then enjoy. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

JMHO,
L.

Orchid:

Thanks for dropping in! I feel pretty burned out about all this, particularly after being "snubbed" last night (just asked if she wanted me 2 stay or go, after we'd just watched a movie 2gether alone, no ulterior motives, and she said she's not ready for me 2 stay).

I may be a bit scarce while I get myself a life here. Thanks all, for caring.

-ol' 2long

Pep & Ark^^ are real troopers and dedicated MB veterans. They will do 'whatever it takes' to put a smile on some MBers (like yourself). Of course, it baffles me a bit at where their sense of humor goes at times. LOL!!! Just kdding.

yes there is no end to our means....of bringing happiness to the boards...

be it
pus
gangrene
crepitus...

we're the ones....

ARK

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ark^^:
<strong> yes there is no end to our means....of bringing happiness to the boards...

be it....

crepitus...

we're the ones....

ARK </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Had to look that one up!!! LOL!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

L.

2long -

Time to get busy doing something so that she doesn't keep snubbing you. When you get interested in something besides her, she will come around.

You are too wonderful and smart to just sit around pining for her.

Thanks for dropping in! I feel pretty burned out about all this, particularly after being "snubbed" last night (just asked if she wanted me 2 stay or go, after we'd just watched a movie 2gether alone, no ulterior motives, and she said she's not ready for me 2 stay).

So, did you ask her why?
I used to get lots of exercise "jumping to conclusions." Talk is easier, but it takes time to get used to it after many years of keeping quiet.

" W, do you understand why you feel it would be better for me to stay away for a while? Can you explain it to me, so I can better understand where we are?"

I may be a bit scarce while I get myself a life here. Thanks all, for caring.

Has your W ever talked to your coach yet? I mean something besides a scheduling call?

Do you feel like you are doing well with the assignments you have been given by said coach?

Is there anything we could discuss in relation to your coaching, and your feeings about it?

When the freezer is stocked with free ice cream bars, what kind do you tend to eat the most of?

See you around -

SS

SS:

Penny just sent me a "plan" 2day, and I forwarded it 2 my W. She has talked 2 Penny, and was "thinking" about working with her last we talked about it. I don't know what she's decided, if anything yet.

Penny recommends we stay apart for another 2ple of weeks at least, but stay in contact and "date". So, I'll try 2 be a little more empathic. Still worth it 2 me 2 try some more.

-2long

As a confirmed male "fixer" I continue to offer suggestions - whether you need them, or not.

I keep saying - "he could quit, but the man is still there. He has GRIT."

Remember that when I say that, I am not suggesting that you take a bath.

Think of John Wayne - and aren't you about as tall as he was anyway? I wonder how you would look in a hat?

Waiting ..................to see how the plan goes.

OK, I'll leave you alone for a few minutes.

SS

Still:

"When the freezer is stocked with free ice cream bars, what kind do you tend to eat the most of?"

Dove bars, Milk Chocolate with vanilla interiors. The freezer makes them a bit hard, but 7 seconds in the microwave makes them just right!

-ol' 2long

I looked in our freezer (at work) and we have ice, and a weight watchers dinner. I think I work at the wrong place.

Get me a visitors pass, and I'll come by and get come icecream.

If you come by here, you can have the weight watchers dinner, and all the ice you can eat, I think they both have about the same calories per pound.

I hope the plan you got from your coach has helped you believe things can work. I hope it works too - it's hard to explain about that, but I would like to see you happier.

I would like to see your family be a family for a long, long time.

I put a melted candy bar in the freezer last week, but it's gone now. I should pay closer attention to what I am doing. I suppose I can get another one - one that's not smashed and melted and then re-frozen.

Was thinking about you, wanted you to know people care.

SS

SS:

My W hadn't read the email from Penny until 2day. She replied that it looked reasonable, but how could she work on our M if when she needs 2 figure herself out? <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />

She's got a job interview 2morrow. She doesn't think she'll get it. She didn't say anything about it. I just hope it's not out of state like the last one she tried, but it might be. I don't know how much I could hold up if she's not willing 2 work as a team now.

I'm doing okay, mostly. I cry more than I have in a while, mostly when I'm alone. It is kind of nice not 2 be getting on each others' nerves though. I do worry about "out of sight, out of mind" though.

-2long

Originally posted by 2long:
So, I'll try 2 be a little more empathic. Still worth it 2 me 2 try some more.


When you are stuck ...

more empathetic is never a poor choice.

Follow Penny. She's the pro.

Pep

Pep,

I wanted to post to you some more - but I have a hard time knowing what to say. I haven't been where you are - both my parents are still here close to us.

You seem to do so well, but I know it has to get to you some days. People care about you too, and I know you know that, but It is always good to say it again.

You seldom talk about how your M is doing now, so I would bet that means it's going well. It looks looks like your son is progressing too and I am glad for you - at least I hope he is. It looks to me that you do as many of us do - act stronger than you feel, and hope you end up feeing that way.

I have another book for you (and your H, I think he will like it too) - one like (but not exactly the same as) I gave 2long - humor. I found it at a used book store, and 2long already has one. I didn't want to send it while your mother was still here - didn't want you to think I was making light of things at all. I have an address for you, but you weren't there for a while, is it still valid?

2long, it probably wouldn't hurt you to pick up McManus again either.

SS