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Hello Everyone,
Just a few questions that have been on my mind:
Todd and I did the needs assessment thing in the Harley book last night....On the Sexual fullfillment part I wrote that I would like sex 2-3 times a week (which I THOUGHT was very realistic) but Todd wrote on the average once a day....(meaning some days getting it twice or three times but not necessarily everyday....make sense?? I look at it like 7x a week) This has been bothering me becasue we have three small children (all 6) and I think it is totally unrealistic for him to have this expectation. When do other things get done like conversation, household responsibilities, finances etc??? All those other needs a relationship has??
I also have a problem understanding Harley's 15 hours a week undivided attention.....not that I don't tink it is necessary but we go to bed at 9:00-9:30 every night because we both get up early in the morning. I am just confused as to how everything is going to get done between the undivided attention, the sex and still finding time to actually be parents.
HELP!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
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I think taking care of your marriage IS being a good parent.
Think about the things you are doing that prevent you from taking time for each other.
How do they rank in importance compared to maintaining a good relationship with your H.
No one will die if laundry doesn't get finished. Bedtime stories can be "abridged". Dirty dishes actually can sit in the sink for a day or two without the universe disintegrating. Sometimes kids can be expected to entertain themselves for while. They need to learn that sometimes mommy and daddy need time to be left alone.
My sister is in a similar boat. When her kids say "Jump", she asks "How high?" and wonders why she never has time for herself or her husband.
I think this is a matter of setting priorities and refusing to let your kids manipulate you.
As far as the EN questionnaire being "realistic", it is absolutely realistic for each of you. Now, you need to POJA to come to a common "reality" for both of you.
We all get the same 24 hours in a day. It's up to each of us how we are going to manage it.
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I have been married 27 years, and we have 8 children - the youngest two are twins 10 years old.
I give this background so you will understand where I come from - and that I understand the demands on your time, and how difficult it is to "balance" everything.
The earlier years were more difficult for us - when the children were small. We didn't know about MB, and we didn't spend very much time together outside or raising the kids. We drifted apart and it drove me crazy because I didn't understand what was happening. I mean, we were doing what we were supposed to do, get married, work, raise kids - and be happy - right?
Looking back at it now, and having changed our lives to spend more time together, and meet each others needs, I wish we would have know these things a long time ago. I think we could have had a much stronger marriage much sooner.
It's hard to know the best way to talk to you. Some people that come here really want to make things work, and would do almost anything to ensure success. Some are discouraged and don't think it will work. I know your story, but I haven't read about you lately, and I am not sure exactly where you are in your recovery. That is, I am not sure what your emotional strength is, and how well you personally are doing.
The guidelines that Dr Harley suggests are just that - guidelines. You use the Policy of Joint Agreement (POJA) to implement them into your lives. It is not wise to say "THERE IS NO WAY i CAN EVER DO THIS" and it is also not wise to say "I need to do what my spouse wants 100% or we have failed."
There are ways to get 15 hours together when you work at it, but you need not think you fail if you get 9 hours one week and 18 hours the next, because it is not and exact thing. You do need to find ways to get 15 hours many weeks, or most weeks. You do need to realize that some weeks it won't work.
Just remember that if you don't PLAN that time together you will never SPEND IT together. It won't happen by accident. After trying to make it work for over two years, we find that we crave time together now, and we try really hard to make it work for us just because it feels so good when we do.
Remember that part of the 15 hours can be the sex - it doesn't need to be separate. It seems to me that many people spend time doing other things that could be used together if they wanted it that way. I see couples that watch TV 2 hours a night and they could spend it reading together, taking a walk, talking, planning other time together, having sex, (tough with three small children, but I have heard where there is a will, there is a way,) and so on.
What you need to do is start - see what you CAN do, and not worry so much right now about how difficult it looks. If your H will meet your needs, and make you feel important emotionally, your desire for him will increase, and you will get to the point where you will crave the time together too. That makes it much easier to make it work. It can be as Dr Harley says, you can be in love again just like it was when you first met.
It will take time - the first time around it was natural, and this time it is more planned, but it can and will work. Just give it some time, and be patient, and do all that you can. It doesn't need to be forced, or fake, and I promise it will come along if you will try.
Look at how you spend your time now, and find things you can do together that you do apart. It can even be cooking or doing the dishes. If one of you has a need for conversation, it can be filled during times like that. It may be that you do the inside work like mopping the floors, and he does the outside work in the yard, and you could do both together instead of apart. Now, I don't know if you live in a home with a yard, or an apartment somewhere - but you can see from these few examples what direction you can look for some ideas. Some things will be hard with small children, I realize that, but if you don't look at everything, you may miss a good opertunity.
Try it, start looking at your lives and see how you can spend more time together. It can be fun, and it is really rewarding. Don't be afraid of it, and think it will be a hardship. Look at the long view, and give it a couple of years to work it self out. Have a little fun with it - be creative <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> , it can change your life for the better.
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Cruise,
You got great answers so I don't think I can compete. But being the numerical type I thought I would crunch some numbers for you. So let's see if you want it 2-3x a week and he wants it 1 per day, then averaging 3 and 1 leaves you with 2 times a day. So let's say that is 1 hour each time, you then have got 14 of your 15 hours a week taken care of. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
Now being the sort that says be careful what you wish for I think you ought to give it to Todd about 2x a day. I would give it about 2 weeks and the boy will be calling a "time out" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> . He is NOT in THAT good a shape. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />
But, Cruise I will be serious for a moment. Let's look at what he is asking for and what you are asking for. I think if you really talked to him he may want affection from you daily, yes sometimes intimate affection. You are looking at it as sexual fullfillment and you say 2-3 times a week.
Personally, I think you two are very very close in your needs, much closer than many couples. That is very good news.
You then got excellent advice on focusing a bit more on the marriage and a bit less on the children. However, children tend to place a fairly rigid schedule on everything. They get up at the same time, go to bed at same time, go to school, eat, you know the drill. So my suggestion is to sit with Todd and talk about this. Where can he help that frees up time? Where can the two of you get more time by making some accomadation to what you provide the children? Can TV or other activities be channelled into time together where you both enjoy it?
Some times the most effective thing is to get things done so that although the children are up you are NOT doing chores. This means they play but you can rest and even talk with Todd. This frees up other times for more intimate situations.
Really, it seems to me you two are closer than you think, and yes more than once a day can do some good things for both of you. So work on the schedule, and see if you two can do it.
I will tell you this, if you work with Todd on making more time for intimacy you will find that even if you don't meet his goal, he will be a very happy man. Why? Because you cared enough to focus on this. You two are doing better than you think.
God Bless,
JL
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Thanks Everyone for your words of wisdom. I guess I freaked out last night in trying to process all the stuff and time involved with repairing our marriage. It makes alot of sense that of course sex would be considered part of the 15 hours. I guess I just never went there in my head. Also, the fact that doing things around the house together could also be considered in that same time, as long as we are sure to talk while we work. I guess I was thinking that the time had to be sitting down and doing nothing but talking and that sex wasn't part of it.
I THINK Todd would agree that a lot of things go unfinished around here or postponed. At least more then they used to be. A problem we have had throughout our entire marriage is that Todd does not help out around the house and with the children all that much. He has been alittle better since d-day but it's been very speratic (sp?) and inconsistent. I'm hoping that after doing the needs assessment (since it ranked very high on my list) that he will step up his game and then we can kill two birds with one stone (so to speak <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> )
Thanks for all of your input. I really appreciate it and feel better about things.
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Your H wants to have sex with YOU ... the mother of triplets... every time he gets a chance!
He loves you BIG TIME and wants to show you ..... every day.
Now THIS is the sort of "dilemma" many people pray for!
Lucky girl.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Pepperband: He loves you BIG TIME and wants to show you ..... every day.
Now THIS is the sort of "dilemma" many people pray for!
Lucky girl.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Pep, Thanks for the words of encouragement..I guess it's nice to hear that Todd loves me BIG TIME because sometimes I have a hard time realizing that he could still love me after everything. I am a lucky girl, I need to tell myself that all the time even during the tough times.
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If you say to him "I am a lucky girl"... you'll get to see HIM glow.
I tell Mr. Pep this all the time... and I've got him so in my pocket... he is drooling with gagalove ... and we're OLD...
Really .... just tell him... "I am such a lucky girl"....
You deserve every thing you have........... yes!
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Cruise, I have a good book for you to read that will help balance the Sexual Fullfillment need of the Harley plan.
Mars and Venus in the Bedroom by John Gray. Som of it is obvious stuff but it'll answer that exact question.
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