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Spider Slayer,

Hey girlfriend, good hearing from you! I’m glad those prayers could be of some help – you’re welcome! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

I just want to add that although I think it’s possible to have loving feelings for more than one person at the same time, it’s however NOT possible to actively love (by actions) 2 people at the same time in the sense that you have your cake and eat it too. Although someone can develope those feelings for someone it didn’t give them permission to ACT on those feelings. FEELING and ACTING is two totally separate and different things.

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"... why I say people choose those small actions, but they don’t choose falling in love with the person in the end. "

This kind of talk is the kind of talk and thought process which is not trustworthy. Anyone professing love for two people in the marriage sense is not in love with anyone but themselves. As one WS here put it very well, the A is all about ME. It is all about selfishness, seeing yourself through anothers eyes. The A is built upon deception period.

Excusing (A type) "love" as something you just fell into is baloney. Love has nothing to do with lies and deception. The seperatness of what love is is getting mixed up by delusional thoughts in this thread!

The lack of respect for the H/O and a trusting loving marriage is typical for someone who does not yet get it. Some call it fog. Sometimes I think that there are more devious things behind some folks fog talk.

<small>[ May 31, 2004, 10:48 AM: Message edited by: cardinal ]</small>

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Suzet,

That must have been horrible in retrospect (about your father's EA). I believe that we are all the sum of our experiences and maybe your experiences allow you to interpret things much differently than I. I still don't quite understand your position though. Are you thinking about attraction?

This is certainly not a judgement on my part at all; however, after I reread this portion of your post I was more confused by your opinion. I was thinking that maybe if you reread it you would see how you chose to be in "love" with this person.

"I've chosen to speak to OM, build a friendship with him, e-mail him, give some personal info about myself, verbally support him etc.,"

Those are actions of a love-building basis.

"but I definitely didn’t choose falling in love with him. I never want it or intended it to happen!"

If you didn't intend for it to happen why would you engage in the "love building" activity to begin with?

Friendship building is wonderful and I have many friends of the opposite sex. We talk and I am a supportive friend to a degree. It is when that friendship becomes part of your life that your spouse should occupy that you risk getting too involved and set the stage for something else. If my husband does not meet my emotional need in a category, my friends can only fill that void to a degree. The rest is reserved for the sanctity of marriage and should be worked out until the issue is resolved.

If you are talking about pure animal attraction...yes, I would agree that attraction is more of a involuntary response but that is not the same as love. We can be attracted to any number of physical attributes. If you act on them and set the stage for something more we are still choosing to engage in that activity. Just some thoughts.

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Anyone whom is not a friend to your marriage should not be one of your "good" friends. In fact if they are not a friend of your marriage, they should surely be just an aquaintance!

Anyone who has had infidelity in their marriage will recognize just how difficult it is to ever have TRUST in it ever again. If you don't recognize the danger of being so close to a "friend" that you can just fall in love with them, then you aren't there yet!

The walls need to be built between those outside of your marriage and the windows are open only to your H or W. This site is about building up your marriage and you can not do that til you develop the thinking and the behaviors that are worth trusting. Otherwise, who knows when the next accidental meeting and falling in love will happen on the outside of your marriage. NO GOOD!

Sweet and clear boundaries created keep good love safe! From the married perspective I would think most carefully about falling in love for friends who are so wonderful. Defending behaviors that hurt the marriage create mistrust and that is not going to help rebuild anything good.

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"Anyone who has had infidelity in their marriage will recognize just how difficult it is to ever have TRUST in it ever again. If you don't recognize the danger of being so close to a "friend" that you can just fall in love with them, then you aren't there yet!"

Right, and since we can't keep "accidents" from happening, anyone who thinks love just "happens" can't keep that accident from happening again! It's probably easier for WS to excuse what they've done (maybe feel better about it) if they think "it just happened" but we make love "happen", it's no accident.

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Nine line bind,

Yes, my father’s involvement with this woman definitely had a major influence on my wrong perceptions about opposite sex friendships and allowed me to interpret things very wrongly and differently... Because of this, I confused “close friendship” with EA during my friendship with OM and this is also the reason why I engaged in the "love building" activity. I didn’t view it as “love building” activity but as “friendship building” activity. I was of the opinion that there is nothing wrong with close opposite sex friendships, as long there is no inappropriate physical (sensual/sexual) involvement and no declaration (verbal expression) of feelings of love towards each other (in other words, things that only belongs in M and between two spouses). But after my involvement with OM I have realized that close opposite sex friendship is indeed very damaging and a potential thread for any marriage and that friendships like this (especially were there is a close emotional attachment en dependence) are the ‘silent enemy’ and ‘silent killer’ because on the eye it ‘seems’ so innocent. I think when you have a friendship with someone first and then it becomes something a little deeper, naturally it hits you blindsided. I have never had a close friendship with the opposite sex before turn emotional on me like this and I know that I will never trust men or myself in a friendship like I used to.

During my friendship with OM I have learned to care very much for him as a person (the way you would care for a dear friend) but eventually the friendship escalated to a level where I also became emotionally attached and dependant on him and also started to develop romantic feelings for him. So I have learned to care for OM as a person AND became emotionally and physically attracted to him although I never acted on my feelings verbally and physically in any way. The funny thing is I mostly corresponds and support OM through e-mail during working hours, so the only EN OM really fill for me was the need for conversation but I developed those inappropriate feelings for him anyway. In the process I have learned about my own weaknesses and vulnerabilities and how to safeguard and set boundaries for myself and my M in future. One of my greatest weaknesses is that I have a tendency to became easily dependant and emotionally too close to any person that shows a genuine interest and care in me as a person (and who allow me to give the same in return), and this makes me too vulnerable for opposite sex friendships. I have a strong desire to feel 'needed' and be of help and support to other people. Therefore, my biggest boundary is to only allow male friends who is a friend or married couple of both me and my H and where both me and my H can share time with the person or couple. Close friendships is still very important to me and it is very important for me to have strong bonds with people, but other than my H who is my best friend, I only allow myself to build strong friendships with friends of the same sex now.

I hope my post make sense and that my post could clear some issues for you! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

<small>[ June 01, 2004, 05:31 AM: Message edited by: Suzet ]</small>

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>Bump>

Nine lind bind, have you read my response yet? Was just wondering if I make better sense after my last post. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

<small>[ June 03, 2004, 01:44 AM: Message edited by: Suzet ]</small>

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