<small>[ June 23, 2004, 08:45 AM: Message edited by: Plumb Bob ]</small>

Bob, unfortunately I don’t use my work e-mail address to communicate with members on these forums and due to company policies, I’m not allowed to create a personal address on Internet. Can’t you talk to me through this board in stead? I would really like to hear what you have to say. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Suzet,

I was going to give you some advice, but I'm not sure you need it.

ML has proven herself on the thread SHE ADDRESSED TO YOU, and I, for one, will simply choose to ignore any comment she makes on any thread of mine in the future. She is not worth arguing with, as she is quite happy playing the role of "antagonizer". I'm not here to play her little games. I can't change her, so I'll change myself, and not allow her posts to influence me one way or the other.

You're initial response to her, Suzet, showed that you possess civility and manners, and that reflects quite well upon you.

I hope to talk to you again soon.

Bob

Bob, thanks for your concern & support, I really appreciate it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> I tried to reach out a friendly hand to ML with my apology and initial post to her this morning, so her negative reaction was really a disappointment.

Have a nice day and I will talk to you again soon, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
Suzet

I do see Suzet that you want to communicate through the board and not email, but a thread dedicated to talking about another poster is not acceptable, especially after 2 threads because of the same discussion between/among you have been locked.

Enough.

Archuletan,

I realize yours is a difficult, and as I understand it, an unpaid position. I have to ask a question though.

Why the warning only to Suzet?

The thread that you locked today was started by Melody Lane, about a topic that had already deteriorated on another thread. Suzet was RESPONDING to a post that asked her a question, based on the topic in another thread. Her initial response was polite and in some ways apologetic for any misunderstandings.

And the thread that was locked yesterday was quite civil, and referred to no one in particular, until Melody Lane started posting to it. She became accusatory of those of us who were having a conversation. I have seen plenty of threads where people have started anew by saying..."On another thread we were talking about....and this was said...what's your opinion", and that has never been wrong in the past. That's how that thread started, until ML came in and started accusing everyone of talking about her. I have no idea what she's talking about...I was responding to a particular question and had no knowledge of a prior thread.

I will be the first to admit that I don't know the complete history between some of these posters, but you're selective warning to Suzet alone, when it was MelodyLane who initiated the thread, seems biased.

Bob

<small>[ June 22, 2004, 02:49 PM: Message edited by: Plumb Bob ]</small>

Plumb Bob,
It wasn't meant as a warning targeted to Suzet, but an acknowledgement that she prefers not to take this discussion to email.

Followed by the information (and perhaps I should have included your name at that point) that if there is a topic you want to discuss with Suzet, that's fine, but continuing the ending discussion from 2 locked threads of why another poster is a bad poster in your opinions is not ok. If you 2 had stuck to why you think your own posts are excellent, that would have been acceptable.

The initial thread's topic had deteriorated to name-calling, so locked.

A new thread had already been started by Melody Lane, also locked. You will notice this one is not locked but instead contained a brief (probably too brief) explanation, to which you took exception.

Moderators cannot read all posts or even all threads, but if we receive a report or email about a post, poster, or thread and think action is called for, we do so.

Then we hope we will not see the same thing in a new thread.

Inconsistant? Quite possibly as we look at reports on an individual basis.

Deliberately unfair? No.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Archuletan:
<strong>Inconsistant? Quite possibly as we look at reports on an individual basis.

Deliberately unfair? No. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Archuletan, thanks for noting this... Since all posters don't report to the moderators the minute they experience problems and/or difficulties with a post, thread or poster, it is understandable that there will be many inconsistencies and unfairness (although not deliberate unfairness) on these boards... It was my choice not to report the poster I have experienced problems with to the moderators (because it is not my style), so I guess I have to bear with the inconsistency and unfairness then...but that's okay... I understand you just doing your job and that it is a difficult and unpaid position... Anyway, thanks for locking both threads, I think it was a good thing.

<small>[ June 23, 2004, 04:22 AM: Message edited by: Suzet* ]</small>

Wow, this is like watching the movie Fatal Attraction, the looniness just never ends! I can't speak for Arch, but he didn't lock the thread just because someone complained, although many did, but because the argument had reached a level of the insane.

You then dragged it all back up from the dead on my thread addressed to you AFTER the same conversation had been locked on another thread! You were then warned not to start a thread talking about other posters.

So please lets not pretend here that this happened because people complained about you or because Arch was inconsistent. It was because of YOUR behavior as Arch pointed out.

In all the years I have been on internet forums I have never seen such a bizarre and persistent personal vendetta, Suzet. Give it a rest, Suzet, this is all very ugly.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by MelodyLane:
<strong> Wow, this is like watching the movie Fatal Attraction, the looniness just never ends! I can't speak for Arch, but he didn't lock the thread just because someone complained, although many did, but because the argument had reached a level of the insane.

You then dragged it all back up from the dead on my thread addressed to you AFTER the same conversation had been locked on another thread! You were then warned not to start a thread talking about other posters.

So please lets not pretend here that this happened because people complained about you or because Arch was inconsistent. It was because of YOUR behavior as Arch pointed out.

In all the years I have been on internet forums I have never seen such a bizarre and persistent personal vendetta, Suzet. Give it a rest, Suzet, this is all very ugly. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I don't have anything to say to you anymore MelodyLane... I was talking to the Moderator, not you, but since you have addressed a post to me AGAIN, let me say the following:

Read your OWN post you addressed to me RIGHT NOW and then you will see the finger which points to me also points back to you... You are guilty of the exact same things you are accusing me from... I have already aplogized for any misunderstandings yesterday, but yet you still continue with your accusations and name calling. How dissapointing... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

Oh, Melody, and just yesterday on the locked thread you said you are going to send an e-mail to the moderator, but now you're saying he didn't locked it because of a complain. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> Arch himself said they can't read all the threads and posts, but read it on an individual basis when they receive complaints or reports about a specific post or poster...

I agree with you Melody, this is indeed very ugly and such a big dissapointment... Also the first time I experience something like this since I started posting here... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

<small>[ June 23, 2004, 07:50 AM: Message edited by: Suzet* ]</small>

Suzet, if you were truly conciliatory, you wouldn't be here dishonestly spinning the facts to put yourself in a more favorable light. That's sure not the behavior of someone who is acting conciliatory, and fools no one.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Suzet*:
<strong>

Oh, Melody, and just yesterday on the locked thread you said you are going to send an e-mail to the moderator, but now you're saying he didn't locked it because of a complain. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Arch does not lock a thread just because someone complains, he locks them when there is a violation. As he said, it was locked because it was a continuation of a PREVIOUS thread that had been locked. Obviously, if a thread has been shut down for a disagreement, you can't continue the same on ANOTHER thread. That is why I emailed him to lock the thread.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by MelodyLane:
<strong> Suzet, if you were truly conciliatory, you wouldn't be here dishonestly spinning the facts to put yourself in a more favorable light. That's sure not the behavior of someone who is acting conciliatory, and fools no one. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">MelodyLane, again, you're accusing me of your own behaviour...so again the finger points back to you... Isn't it ironic.

Please stop it now.

Suzet, just saying that doesn't make it so, the facts are what matter and they are there for all to see. Everyone can see what you are doing here and that you just won't let it drop. You just keep going and going and going and going with a new twist at every turn.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by MelodyLane:
<strong>Arch does not lock a thread just because someone complains, he locks them when there is a violation. As he said, it was locked because it was a continuation of a PREVIOUS thread that had been locked. Obviously, if a thread has been shut down for a disagreement, you can't continue the same on ANOTHER thread. That is why I emailed him to lock the thread. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Melody, if you relly wanted the topic to die you could have edited your thread after the other one was locked... And you could have deleted the name, as well as the text body, but you didn't... You also started a new thread on the SAME topic where you could just post it to the original thread instead...

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by MelodyLane:
<strong> Suzet, just saying that doesn't make it so, the facts are what matter and they are there for all to see. Everyone can see what you are doing here and that you just won't let it drop. You just keep going and going and going and going with a new twist at every turn. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Melodylane, can't you see that you do EXACT the same things here... You KEEP accusing me of the same things YOU are doing. So PLEASE stop it now!

<small>[ June 23, 2004, 08:06 AM: Message edited by: Suzet* ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Melody, if you relly wanted the topic to die you could have edited your thread after the other one was locked... And you could have deleted the name, as well as the text body, but you didn't... You also started a new thread on the SAME topic where you could just post it to the original thread instead... [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">And you know full well that the thread was started BEFORE the other one was locked. Since it had dropped to page 2, there was no need to alter it. You couldn't give it up and posted to the thread.


</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Melodylane, can't you see that you do EXACT the same things here... You KEEP accusing me of the same things YOU are doing. So PLEASE stop it now!

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Of course I am not doing the same thing. I am not talking about you in other threads. I am not here maliciously talking about YOU and spinning the facts in order to portray myself as a poor hapless victim.

Suzet,

Sometime when someone pushes you it's best to step to the side and let them fall on their face, rather than stand there and push back.

ML,

In the words of Mark Twain,

"We wouldn't worry quite so much what others thought of us, if we only knew how rarely they did it."

Both of you sound like a couple of 1st grade school girls. Agree to disagree, agree to not post on each other's threads, ignore each other, or something, but it would be in BOTH of your best interests to stop this silly little spat before either of you looks any more ridiculous.

Bob

Melody, you're trying to present a wrong picture to people who haven't followed the previous threads, so I feel compelled to refresh your mind with the following posts. You are forcing me now to re-send a post from one of the locked threads since you are twisting the facts... Are this part of your plan so that you can report me to the moderator again so that THIS thread can be locked too??? Anyway, here it is:

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Suzet*:
<strong>MelodyLane, yesterday you’ve said on my thread that I’ve talked about other posters and you and my issues with them… You've even accused me of being snarky and hostile… MelodyLane, please let me bring under your attention that all I’ve ever said about my post to you on Eric’s thread was the following:

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I’ve just send a post regarding ‘judging people’ on another thread and I would like to hear your personal opinion and if it make sense to you, since the other poster think my viewpoint is irrational. Here is the post I’ve send regarding this topic:
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Can you see that I didn’t discuss you as a person and didn’t even mention your name? All I’ve said was: ”the other poster think my viewpoint is irrational” and I was just seeking Plumb’s Bob opinion on my viewpoint. I was discussing the viewpoint I've posted to you on Eric's thread, I was not discussing you or anyone else. I was just giving a reference and a fact that "another poster think my viewpoint is irrational". That’s all. You've also said I’ve talk about other posters. Please tell me who was the other posters. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

Anyway, I’m sorry that you’ve taken the above innocent comment so personally and felt so upset about it… It wasn’t my intention at all. If I have unintentionally hurt your feelings, I sincerely apologize… I hope you will accept it. I know this is just a message board and I don’t even know you personally, but still, I don’t want you to have ‘hard’ feelings towards me... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">AND

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Plumb Bob:
<strong>The thread that was locked yesterday was quite civil, and referred to no one in particular, until Melody Lane started posting to it. She became accusatory of those of us who were having a conversation. I have seen plenty of threads where people have started anew by saying..."On another thread we were talking about....and this was said...what's your opinion", and that has never been wrong in the past. That's how that thread started, until ML came in and started accusing everyone of talking about her.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">

Sorry, but I couldn't resist responding to this because it is just so dripping with hypocrisy. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Bob, that sounds pretty funny coming from the fella who escalated this bizarre Fatal Attraction remake to a new level by starting up threads to denigrate other posters.

If you are going to sanctimoniously lecture others for acting like a 1st grader, it helps your credibility if you haven't acted like a pre-school girl yourself. lol!