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Have found out that FIL also cheated on MIL several times.She never knew that we know about. What do you think? I hope that my son will not turn out like this, although he can see what I am going through, so hope he learns from our experience. Just a thought!
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Hey eyes! Welcome to MB!!!
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by eyesopened: <strong> Have found out that FIL also cheated on MIL several times...I hope that my son will not turn out like this, although he can see what I am going through, so hope he learns from our experience. Just a thought!
H had several A's over 10yrs </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">eye: have wondered this myself...*BUT* I think *you* answered it in your post: "Although he can *SEE*...hope he *LEARNS*..."
Generally, I would tend to hypothenize (sp?) that it is a learned behaviour. Unlike other mental illnesses/diseases that *are* hereditary. (But even those, one has *choices.*)
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My exMIL cheated on my now deceased exFIL. I don't know if he knew but ex MIL told my exWW and her sister about it years before he died. My exWW is just like her mother. I don't know if it is hereditary, I just figured she is carrying on the family tradition. The only guilt she has expressed is that she got caught.
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nature vs nurture..but what about when both would predispose toward the same end?
I wouldn't disregard the strong possibility that in many cases a person may be predisposed to a temperament that would make infidelity a strong likelyhood. ADD for example. It certainly is hereditary, and impulsivity is one of it's trademarks. Alcoholism..yep. Depression..ditto. There is always choice involved, however an impulsive nature, combined with an addictive predisposition, and topped off with poor conflict resolution skills [nurture]..and I'd say that you have a strong candidate for WS.
Some people also believe that there is a scriptural basis for this as well. Sins of the fathers and all that. More of the same really, with an added dimension. Nature and nurture and activity on a spiritual level. Very interesting indeed--Noodle
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by noodle: There is always choice involved, however an impulsive nature, combined with an addictive predisposition, and topped off with poor conflict resolution skills [nurture]..and I'd say that you have a strong candidate for WS.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Uh...um...raising hand... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />
I put the word "choice" in there, because, even though it may be a "predeposition" (like that word better than illness/disease! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> ) it was *still* my free will to make the decisions I did. However, it's also my free will--choice--to end the madness now!!!! <small>[ August 13, 2004, 11:51 AM: Message edited by: LINY ]</small>
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Liny:
I'd both agree and disagree. Here's how. You may have been predisposed to be [fill in the blank] impulsive, alcoholic etc...and there is an element of choice involved..but I think [just my .02 btw] that the decision that would prevent the manifestation of the illness/disease, or at least help to keep the fallout from being more than a minor apocolypse <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> , is made well in advance of the issue/situation that threatens most addicts [I'm including WS in this category].
It has been my experience that any time a person is making a decision they are laying the tracks for their lives to roll over. So here's the imagery. All of the tracks that a person has layed lead to X..the train is hurtling towards its destination at breakneck speed. Is it possible for a person to derail the train at the last minute? Yes. Is it likely that they will? No. Path of least resistance says that you will follow your trajectory to your doom. What's to be done about this? Ah! This is where choice has it's most dramatic impact. Who charts your trajectory? Who decides where and how the track will be layed? You do. So, if a person is aware that they have a certain predisposition/weakness/flaw/whathaveyou, they have the option to set up their lives in such a way that to succumb to this problem is a near impossibility. This would qualify as extreme precautions, I believe.
This is also where nurture comes into play. You may have a truly genetic predisposition to be weak in an area of life..heck, everyone does..but will you know how to effectively manage yourself? Do you have the skills, and therefore the tools to accomplish the task at hand, or will you follow the habbits and tendancies and paradigms that you were raised with..will you ever rise above your default reactions to things? Are you even self aware enough to know that there is such an option? Will you nourish both the ability to benefit from hindsight, and gain foresight? Will you choose to use the moments when you are not in a crisis and can think with clarity and try to bypass having to be in such situations at all?
When I see an individual who has both a likely genetic predisposition and a failure to have been nurtured in a way that would help them compensate for it..I see a strong candidate for future infidelity. It isn't something that must play out..but it probably will. There are some that will develope necessary skills in time..and yes, even a few who will derail at the last moment...but the general population will follow their habbits and everyone who engages with them will be shelled in the subsequent explosions. --Noodle
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My FIL came home with lipstick on his collar all the time. I now think my WW started cheating on me very early on. She always said she would never do that because her ex hurt her like that by cheating but I think she probably always cheated on him. WOW I never expected this.
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Thankyou for all your replies. It has given me food for thought. Noodle, I never looked at it like you have explained. H is just like it. There was not much nuturing from either parent for him. I'm sure he has a low self esteme as well, even though he is a very successful business man, he has often said things like he could have done better. Couldn't we all? I try & tell him that he has achieved more that most people in his life, but he still has self doubts. Hmmmmm!
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Noodle: Thanks for the insight...and validating, well, me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />
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