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Well, we are now relocated to another state. Away from the scene of the crime and all the bad memories. But the miles don't take away everything. I still trigger several times a day. I still deal with resentment and anger. But, the difference is that I've learned to deal with it much better. We still argue some, not at all like it was in the beginning. But, the big thing is that I'm in love with her and she is in love with me. We still have many regrets and wishes that have been dashed,but we have each other and now have the opportunity for a brand new beginning here. We're looking for jobs now, would appreciate your prayers.

My biggest problem now is trust. I'm trying to truly trust again. It's so hard to do that when all your life has been ripped out from under you like a rug. All of my existence is new now. I don't think the same, act the same, nothing. Some for the better, some for the worse. But, I'm becoming a better person I think. I don't freak out like I used to. I can communicate better with my wife now, but still there are times I have so much anger and resentment.

She would get so upset over my freaking out over triggers. It's like fussing at the person you shot for bleeding on the carpet. They were the one that shot you, your bleeding can't be helped. Recovery is a messy business!

I've always been a fighter and I do so much better when I have a visible nemesis or challenge. This time the biggest enemy I had was myself. I don't take the blame for the A. but I do see my role in it. I try to find someone to blame and when I do it never turns good. I am trying to learn to trust again > completely trust. I know there are some that I've heard from on this site that say you can never trust implicitly again. I don't agree with that. I think if you can't then you can't really live in peace again. I can't go on looking over her shoulder and almost expecting to find some new revelation. I became some sick sleuth that was living in fear. Communication is helping with that more than anything. My W is really trying to help me. I'm really proud of her, especially of how far she's come. I remember, it wasn't that long ago when she couldn't even look at me. So much shame, self-loathing, and she couldn't even tell me she loved me. That ripped out my heart, but MB helped me so much in knowing how to deal with it.

I thank God for His hand of blessing, and also for MB and you people. Many times you were the thread that I held on to when everything was crumbling under my feet. God bless you!

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Congratulations to you, and to your W!

You sound rightly proud and grateful that your W has had the courage and character to pull herself out, and help you in recovery.

I think it is critically important that the WS take every opportunity they can to help heal the BS. The fact that she is doing that really demonstrates what a noble person she is. She is taking ownership not only of her mistake, but in making amends.

I think all too many WS would like to, but don't know how. Perhaps your W could share her struggles and efforts, as inspiration to us all.

You are lucky to have your W.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by runningwithscissors:
My biggest problem now is trust. I'm trying to truly trust again. It's so hard to do that when all your life has been ripped out from under you like a rug....I am trying to learn to trust again > completely trust. I know there are some that I've heard from on this site that say you can never trust implicitly again. I don't agree with that. I think if you can't then you can't really live in peace again. I can't go on looking over her shoulder and almost expecting to find some new revelation. I became some sick sleuth that was living in fear. Communication is helping with that more than anything.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Blind trust is something that should never be a part of a marriage [whether it has or hasn't been rocked by an affair]. It is like crossing the street without looking both ways before crossing it [sooner or later you are going to be run over]. Blind trust is nothing more than denial of what is happening in a marriage. You don't have to spy on your W but you must keep your eyes and ears open for patterns of suspicious behavior on her part. And this goes for her with you as well because many a BS of today become the US of tomorrow.

Congratulations on your recovery and please give your support to others that were in your shoes.

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Scissorman -

It is so nice to read your thread this a.m.

No advice on the trust issue, however there is a good thread going on right now regarding forgiveness/trust, you may want to check it out.

Just wanted to say best of wishes to you and your wife. It does a heart good to see a family stay together!

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So great to hear our Klingon is still doing better and better on this freakin' planet <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> ! And that Mrs RunningWithScissors is in love with you <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> !

As to this:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by runningwithscissors:
<strong>She would get so upset over my freaking out over triggers.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">My H didn't understand about triggers. His philosophy is "let's just forget about it, let's not talk about it anymore and you'll be just fine." I finally got through to him with the burglary analogy.

That goes like this:
"Suppose burglars break into your house, lift you from your bed, tie you to a chair and try to make you tell where your valuables are. They trash your house, stealing precious things, then leave with you sitting there for hours before someone finds you."
Try to tell it convincingly so your partner will be trembling just imagining all this <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> .

Then a few nights later you hear something creaking downstairs... you start to tremble.. great fear comes over you.. but thank God it was just the cat. Months later you hear something rattle against the windows... all the fear and anxiety comes rushing back.. but thank God it was the wind.

The point is.. the A was the burglary. The creaking in the night is like any trigger: something that wouldn't even have woken you up before / that you hardly would have noticed before, but that now makes all the fear and pain come back in a big way. Only time will make those triggers fade.

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That was a great analogy of the burglery. I say that it's like bleeding on the carpet after being shot and then being yelled at for bleeding on the shooters favorite carpet.

I wouldn't be bleeding if you hadn't shot me!!!!

She's trying to understand, but I don't think she ever really will. She just thinks that if I just think about something else, it'll all just go away. The most precious thing in my life was stolen (given) away and now I'm supposed to just go on. That's much harder done than said.

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Dear RWS,

I think it's next to impossible to understand what a BS goes through... unless you are one.

I remembered another analogy.
An aunt and an uncle of mine were heavy smokers. When they went somewhere in their car with their three children in the back seats, they'd both be smoking in the car with the windows closed if it was cold. If the children would beg for a window to be openend they'd basically tell them to "shut up".
My uncle and my aunt are good people, with a big house, a tennis court and an in-door swimming pool, good people who would never willingly hurt their children and who have done everything to provide them with everything they needed.
Years later they quit smoking. Only then did it dawn on my aunt.. "Oh my God... what have I done to my children.. letting them sit in our smoke like that, in a car with closed windows..."

Another analogy is losing a child. You can't imagine the weird reactions that will get you from nice, decent, well-meaning people. If someone has ever experienced this himself you will immediately know - there is this look in their eyes, and they react differently. They will not tell you "shouldn't you be over that by now" and to "quickly have another baby so you'll forget about this one". They will know you need time... because they have been there...

My point is - very few people are Betazoid. There are some on this planet but they are far and few between. If we humans haven't experienced something ourselves, it's very hard for us to imagine how the other person REALLY feels. It's hard for humans to be patient and understanding when someone keeps bringing up something painful, even when we have had no "guilty" part in it.

But when we are guilty of the very thing that is troubling our partner or our friend.. well then the pain we see there will automatically cause us to feel bad, guilty, depressed etc. etc. because we were the stupid selfish idiots that inflicted this pain.

A really, really big person can realise at that point that the right thing to do is to stand by their partner and hold them and love them and reassure them for as long and how ever much they need it.

But people who start an A aren't "big persons". They are needy, lonely people. They don't magically transform on D-Day into wonderful, balanced partners. They have their own withdrawl problems and pains. And then there is the guilt.

When there is too much pressure on a human, we have an "safety valve". You can call it denial, putting your head in the sand, minimizing things, totally blocking things out. Only when the pressure starts to lift there is no longer any need for the safety valve and that might explain why years later some partners suddenly realise what their spouse has gone through. Maybe it suddenly dawns on them because of something someone said, or something they see on tv, or whatever. It's like the sun suddenly lights a particular spot they have never realised existed.

So ironically I guess the pressure will have to lift first - meaning we will have to feel better and our partner will be more comfortable around us, not scared about when the next trigger is going to "hit" us <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> - before our WS can start to realise what really happened and what the BS's point of view/reality is.

Hmm.. thanks RWS, by writing this down it just became a lot clearer to me too !! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

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So glad to hear things are looking up for you. God bless you and your wife.

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